Poland 2007 Elections: PO Won, PIS second

This is because of NI contributions in Poland!

election - tables were turned... the power of murdoch -labour govt and the sun

looks like their plan backfired..

They partly succeed, look at LPR and SO.

Polonia in USA 67% voted on PiS

Polonia in UK 62% voted on PO

It is very interesting, both sides vote because they care, they have their expiriecne. They have their vision of Poland and both sides have good intentions.

i think that says it all really

I've just heard PO representative to say they will not hurry the anti-nuclear shield negotiations with the US (since US seems not to be in a hurry either). This is what I like actually. It's a shame the US government still doesn't treat Poland as a worthy partner since they still require visas for Polish citizens to enter the US.

If PO, through their negotiations with the US, will make the US government to cancel that visa requirement for Poles, I would vote for PO next time.

please be aware that this has been more up to the USA than Poland. I didnt expect PiS to pull it off anymore than I expect PO to pull it off. I know some feel strongly about the issue but some (like me) could really care less. Soon the dollar will be so weak that the US will be desperate for ANYONE to go there to shop so they can boost the economy and then they will let Poles and many other nationalities enter without visas...it will be the natural outcome of a sagging US economy not a result of some high-level talks between our leaders and theirs...

And what do PO intend to do about this ridiculous system where the hard-working are held to ransom and forced to work for the state to reduce their business NI contributions?
I seem to remember that consecutive governments from the SLD onwards have promised to do something about this socialist policy of milking small businesses dry.

fair point,, money makes the world spin,, in uk one core factor allowing eastern europe migrants was the economic boost and thansk we have achieved it,, in the uk the convenience market as develped, the no frills market and thanks to us poles the house prices have had a boost..

Oh Poles, Poles!!!!! What are you doing!!!!! Why you didnt vote for Kachinskiys? You deprive us from this key-ally in our european and world policy!!! I am in deep mourning!!!!

heheh I feel irony, but you Russinas in my opinion are in trouble. PiS and Kaczynski was so easy to play with them. It was sa easy to put them into stereotype of peiople whos directions comes from fear and phobies. Now we have more sophisticated players. It is enought to look on PO candidate on Foreigin affairs misnister. Radosław Sikorski ...



Radosław "Radek" Sikorski

Sikorski was much involved in the Solidarity unrest in the late 1970s, and chaired the student strike committee in Bydgoszcz in March 1981. Stranded in Britain when martial law was declared in his homeland in December 1981, he studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Pembroke College, University of Oxford. While at Oxford he was a member of the infamous all-male dining society The Bullingdon Club, whose members included the leader of the British Conservative Party David Cameron. He then worked as a freelance journalist. In 1984, he took British citizenship. In the mid-1980s, Sikorski worked as a war correspondent in Afghanistan and Angola. For a photograph taken in Afghanistan he won the World Press Photo prize in 1988. From 1990 he was an advisor to Rupert Murdoch on investments in Poland.

Returning to Poland, in 1992 he briefly became deputy defence minister in the Jan Olszewski government. From 1998 to 2001 he served as deputy minister of foreign affairs in the Jerzy Buzek government. During the latter appointment, Sikorski became notorious in the Polish expatriate community.

From 2002 to 2005 he was a resident fellow of the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. and executive director of the New Atlantic Initiative.

He will cooperate with ... Bartoszewski




Władysław Bartoszewski (IPA: [vwa'dɨswaf bartɔ'ʃɛfskʲi]; born February 19, 1922 in Warsaw) – Polish politician, social activist, professor of history, journalist, writer, Auschwitz concentration camp inmate, soldier of Armia Krajowa (Polish resistance organization during the World War II), Polish underground activist, participant of the Warsaw Uprising, twice nominated for the Minister of Foreign Affairs, chevalier of the Order of the White Eagle, honorary citizen of Israel.

So we are going to have proffesional Foregin policy.

Absolutely no any sign of irony, I am pretty serious. I will try to explain my assertion that PIS is our most devoted ally. Let's see.

Poland under PIS behaved as a mad cowboy in the even rows of efiminated europeans. By Poland's actions all talk about joint policy toward Russia were impossible (PRO and so on).
Moreover, we need there hostility toward Turkey as a member of EU. This position changes Turkish perception of EU, making it more reactionary and clerical. These facts in their turn influence on the perception of Turkey by TransCaucasia republics making them to rush in our tight embrace. Adding everything else, the offended and revanchistic Turkey will strike on Kurds, disorder all American plans over this region. So America like an energized man will dingle on two wires Iraq and Afganistan and will be totally inactivated.

As to Ukrane, by interference in Ukranian domestic affairs, Poland is teared up this country on two equal parts East and West. As a result, East Ukraine with Russophilic preferences will be Russian, but West Ukraine, whose inhabitants equally hate Russian and Poles, never will be Polish.

Exactly what i though Lukasz, thanks for telling him ;)

Show me any historic patterns, when rich nation could take world? Romans? But they were poor fellowas in comparison with Greeks or Carthago! May be Mongols? But they were only a small branch of nomad tribes. To tale a world you must have only two things, burning desire and courage!

weapons help. Why do you want to take over the world anyway - bits of it are in a right state.

British and French Emires are abselutely another things, all of them were Sea Empires, and it is impossible to hold Sea Empire significantly long period of time!
And Poland was blind by its religios false superstitions, we are different

All states have their time limits. Such limits has Poland, and has Russia of course. What do yo think, what our issues will say about Poland? "...there was such brave nation, Poles". And what they will say about Russia? "GOSH!!!"

If by "they" you mean Poles than I wouldn't worry too much. The perception of Russia will change with time. It's not that we still hate Swedes for the deluge you know. Of course it also depends if the future relationships of our both nations will be more peaceful and friendly, which unfortunately isn’t that certain. :)




Poland had a huge impact on shaping of the political situation in Central and Eastern Europe in the XV, XVI and XVII th century but we were never really an empire.

Well actually, I know about what poll you are talking about, and according to it 48% of Ukrainnians are pro Polish, while 49% are pro Russian. Or maybe it's the other way around???

insignificant margin, just call it 50-50

The other way round ;) But i'm not sure these are the true results... Watch this.



"We" don't hate Swedes, right ? ;) LoL

right :)



yes what is noticable, in eastern Ukraina prefere Russians (there is big Russian miniority), central and west Urkaina prefere Poles. But every year it changes and they more and more prefere Poles :) because all we want is their independence. Ukrainian independence one of our strategic aims, and we kicked Russians a s s in 2005. Using diplomacy and positive power of democracy. They still strugle but last elections were democratic so it works ...




:) Putin modern Mongol warrior :) Chingis Han. Poor beaten but proud and couragous. I hope your citizens will notice that Ukraina is democratic and will ask for the same. If not you will be beaten once again.

Hehe, there's a beginning in everything ;)

in 2005 everything was prepared, Ukraina, Georgia and next should be Russia... but prices of oil increased and their regime got some money... ehh we have to wait for next opportunity. If you read posts of another Russian on this forum you will notice that they want democracy ...

Some time ago there was one Swedish politic visiting Warsaw (sorry i can't remember his nam) and he oficially apologised Polish nation for what happened between our two countries in the XVII century! I thought that my arse will fell off from laughter! :))



Well the figures are slightly different, but I guess that must be the same poll.

LoL, seems to be a good guy this Swedish man ;)



I guess, but Poles are prefered to Russians anyway ;D

surprising results of election in prisons

76,2 % of criminals voted PO (Civic Platform).

What is surprising, PO = hope ;) LoL

criminals in prisons voted:

76.2 % PO (Civic Platform)
7.6 % LID (the Left and Democrats)
2.8 % PiS (Law and Justice)

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