Poland's Growth Fastest in 10 Years

hence there are many opportunties to invest $$$ in Poland

that what I said all along CR is doing better the Poland is growing more then Poland and is not becouse Historical reasons bla bla bla is becouse they even if small have better economy !!!!!

O.K. zion.I will ask you.Do you know what Skoda is?Do you know bohemian crystals?Pilsner Uquell?
When do you think they started to be produced?
Can you name any polish product?
Yes,CR had a far better economy than Poland before the war.Czechs had more cars than Austrians for example.In eastern Poland there was huge poverty.
During communism Poland produced ship,mashines etc that were exported to Soviet Union.After SU collapsed there was nobody to buy second quality products.So unemployment boomed.
Czech products on the other hand were better and had a better name.So it was easier to compete to the market again after some addition of western resources.Czechs had the know-how in communism,they did not have the finance and the means.
As for infrastructure look at the railway network in CR and look at it in Poland.The density of the latter reminds you of sth?When do you think these networks were built?

Poland has to stop to blame in the past and make a present !!!! tell me then why 1 milllion left and more and more keeping leaving ???? so CZ had a better start but they dont even have a sea!!!!!!!!!!!! not even a Port ???????????? Poland has it all, sea , lot of land for big mass platations , natural resources , plenty more then CR more work force so if they stop imigrating 1 million or more in the USA 1 million or more in the UK if they stop, stay ,they can make Poland cacth up with CZ and be even better but if cases like many high skills leaving to do low jobs outsite like many cases . then all they will do is blame is the Past blame the germans the russians the invadors , the ocupation and on on on on .

LOL !

Easy to tell.Poland had 20% unemployment rate in 2003 just before the entrance to EU.CR had only 6%.There are regions in Poland like Mazurskie and Pomorskie or Sczescyn where unemployment rate exeeded 30%.These people saw european integration as an opportunity.
CR is far better situated.It is central.They simply rebuilt what worked in austrohungarian times.Exports imports between Austria,CR,Hungary.It still works.They belong to the same Danube zone.They are friends.
Who would help Poland?The Germans?The neighbours from East Germany?
The Germans invested heavily in Prague,they bought Skoda,etc they were not interested in Poland.There are many reasons for that.

I do all great things from CZ made by the poeple of CZ not gave to then by anyone

Maybe too many Poles were geting drunk in Vodka and blaming the past !!!!!I dont know but what I do know is Poland has all to become a great Europe nation is all in the hands of its People . don`think or Poland can do for you think you can do Poland

Poland dont need germans UK EIRE they can and are investing here now they need the people to come back or stay here and work here Investement there are plenty all they need is workers and good pay !!

Zion, you write great things about Poland. It's what I only have started thinking myself, and you've already laid it out. What a smart cookie you are! Who are you, brother? I know you are a Jewish guy. Shalom, brother! You're a better Pole than many who were born in the country. God bless you.
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Shalom , God bless us all .

True.

Mmm, I sit on the board of companies in both Czech and Poland and I love both countries, but Zion speaks a lot of truth - the Polish need to look at the present and stop thinking Czech has some head start because it was part of the Hapsburg empire that split up in 1918.

Why is Czech a richer country than Poland now ?

1. It undoubtedly had less problems to fix in 1989.
2. The government is pro business - there is much less bureaucracy and they reformed the banks, legal and accounting systems very early.
3. Hiring someone is 15% cheaper but on minimum wage the worker gets 14% more in their pocket than a Polish worker.
4. The government is not ideal (in fact for most of the last year there wasnt a government) but there is nobody in there who is actually mad like Giertych or Lepper.
5. They fixed the roads, quickly and properly.
6. There is much less bureaucracy
7. It is easier to build something and investments are welcomed not treated with hostility and suspicion. Obviously the German's are the biggest investors but the Czech's take a realistic approach to this.

Czechs were always pro-German and Austrian

Czech republic ( Bohemia and Moravia) was under Hasburg rule from 1526 until 1918 when the Austro-Hungarian Empire collapsed.

then in 1938 the Czechs let the Germans walk in and take over their country without putting up a fight.

what they are is Pro West pro Investments 1938 read the other post my friend and stop look back and look up front learn from the czechs the futere is here and now .

You hit some good points, here I observe a government in Poland that seems to do everything to keep Poland backward and behind. The main problem is old Soviet Bureaucracy in a modern world. Kick out all the old unhelpful clerks and start over, and Poland will soar.

re: there is nobody in there who is actually mad like Giertych or Lepper

- So Giertych and Lepper are mad? Please give pertinent facts. Do you suggest that their alleged 'madness' is responsible for the fact that Poland is allegedly doing economically worse than the Czech Republic? If yes, explain, giving specific facts.

As I understand, zion and others seem to be convinced that Poles' alleged being overly concerned with the past than the future is responsible for our alleged worse economical performance than the Czechs. How would it be responsible? Please explain giving specific facts.

Isn't it the reason that the Czechs and some others from the former commie camp are doing economically better than Poland because at a certain point they got more foreign investment than Poland did?

And if they got more of the foreign investment than the Poles did, the question pops up: why?

On what grounds was the decision made to invest more with them than with us?

Were these grounds purely economical, or perhaps some others?
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Kruk, in what way the present Polish government 'seems to do everything to keep Poland backward and behind'? Please give specific facts.

So you think that the main obstacle to Poland's progress is 'old Soviet Bureaucracy in a modern world,' and you suggest that the Kaczynski government ought to 'kick out all the old unhelpful clerks' and then 'Poland will soar'?

Now hasn't the Kaczynski government been doing exactly the thing you advocate: exposing and getting rid of the ex-communists in the politics, military, police, etc.?

And isn't the purge the reason for the Kaczynskis' being fiercely slammed by the commiefascist media psychopaths throughout Europe? Note the coverage the Kaczynskis get e.g. in the commiefascist La Reppublica rag in Italy.
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Puzzler check out any website that lists the ease of doing business in a specific country.
Try to open your own business in poland and see how long it takes you, compared to another country. See what your taxes, and ZUS are compared to other countries last I heard it was the fourth highest in the industrialized world (its called a tax "wedge")
The clerks I mean to kick out are the people who work in Government offices now who start a telephone conversation with a friend instead of helping the person in line, or going on break with people waiting on line. They should realize its their job to help you.
I simply think Poland needs a complete restructuring of how they operate.
And Giertych is crazy.

I agree 100 % your reply say it all .

re: Czechs were always pro-German and Austrian

- Not true at the least. Have you ever read The Good Soldier Schweik by Jaroslav Hasek? The greatest anti-German, anti-Austrian and anti-Hapsburg satire ever.

And way the funniest book I've ever read. Such Catch 22 is pathetic compared to Hasek's brilliant novel.

The Czechs did not put out fight in 1938 because they were too weak to do that, and they were left alone by the rest of Europe, including us, Poles. It's a monstrous disgrace the way they were treated. And during WWII they showed great bravery fighting the Germans in their own country and abroad, e.g. in the Battle of Britain.

A small but great European nation - a nation with guts.

Yes, the Czechs suffered much from Germans. They were brutally treated badly by Nazis for killing Reinhard Heydrich. Whole village was killed as revenge.

Topic attached on merging:
Migrant workers 'help UK economy'

Seems like the fears that Migrant workers in the UK will take from the UK economy are unfounded so far, and they are in fact making a substantial contribution to Britain's economy according to this article.

Nice to hear some positive news for a change eh guys
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news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6766003.stm

is no news that they help to improve the Ecomony in the UK what they dont help in the ecomony in Poland and dotn tell me they send the money here bla bla bla Poland need then here !!! to help Polish Economy

Of course they do. The world powers like the USA, the UK, France etc. wouldn't be where they are without cheap, silent, foreign workforce.

Not everyone who comes over here to the UK to work will want to stay here forever though. Those people who return to Poland will be bringing back experience and knowledge gained in the UK to help the Polish Economy.

I really don’t understand the negative points here, too many times so-called English people posters like –uk try to put down Polish people by saying that they take! take! take! from the UK economy and when there are positive things to say about Polish people in the UK all they do is moan and try and find another angle.

Come on guys, negativity causes too many problems in the world today try positivity for a change or is it a case of Polish mentality? My wife who is Polish, told me that when you ask a Polish man how he is his reply is, “could be better” whereas if you ask a person from the west how they are they answer, “great thanks”. Makes you think eh!

Try reading this post as well http://www.polishforums.com/poland_growth_fastest_years-4_10568_0.html :)

and it will be but only if the Polish man stay in Poland

most will do I read on the BBC web site another day too bad I dont have the link here to post but if you search you will find the many great number will not come back are not coming back other way around more are still leaving everyday . the only place on earth that had more around 1 million people leaving ther home land was Iraq there also 1 million people had left . so is not good that the Polish workers are helping the UK economy they need to help Polish economy what is the worst shape then the UK one . But I guess the thing in Poland now is everymen for himself .

What, so that they be unemployed? Instead they are overseas sending back 4billion euro's a year and contributing 5% of Polands GDP. They account for a large part of Polands growth.
They you would know this because you are an economist (ha, ha, ha).