Poland has paid £68 Million for helping UK in WW2

Really...lol.......and your "theory" is backed up by what...so GB goaded the mighty German war machine to pick on its weaker neighbours, then sat cringing on the edge of Europe waiting to be finished off........then lulled the Germans into thinking they were mightier than they were........and sent cosmic waves to A Hitler in his eagles lair to attack the Russians and to hell with the consequences?


Utter rubbish

Really...lol.......and your "theory" is backed up by what...so GB goaded the mighty German war machine to pick on its weaker neighbours, then sat cringing on the edge of Europe waiting to be finished off........then lulled the Germans into thinking they were mightier than they were........and sent cosmic waves to A Hitler in his eagles lair to attack the Russians and to hell with the consequences?

Rather more like a fantasy scenario there G....which hollywood sript writer are you putting all your faith in now?


Utter rubbish

Giles, You better learn something. Your so called alternative views is a one person view, your Idol Chomsky. Aprox. Hitler 10 million, Stalin 20 million, All the tinpot ditatorships do not add up to these numbers. Even then those dictators still murdered their own people. You probably believe The US backed Mao to murder 20million of his own people. The US backed Polpot to murder 4 million of his people. According to your logic any country the US gives money to we are responsible for who they murder. Make up a new story, The US wanted Hitler and Stalin to murder all those people. I think you are brainwashed by Chomsky.

Apols.......comp sorta froze.......

Think a bit Frank...

Think a bit Frank...

Think a bit Frank...

Regardless of what you say...its too fantastical...sorry can't...let someone else come on the thread and back up your claims...........

I am open to new theories......lol

In which way ? It's pretty much obvious.

I have one question have you ever read any of his work?

You Make alot of valid points but this quote here does not pertain to the first Gulf war. Unless you believe that Kuwait was never occupied by Saddam. What countries do in war is well documented. However, You typed the statement that the US started the war.
I am still waiting for you to tell me how the US started it. By the way it was a coaltion of many Nations. Or is this also a lie.

Maybe the US started by arming Saddam. By supporting Israels aggressives land grabs, and the continuing plight of the Palestinians. By supporting the ultra corrupt Saudi elite who also retained the most extreme form of Islam as their national religion.
Saddam also managed to unite many Arabs countries against the states.
He was never a threat to anyone. Christ he couldn't even beat up Iran.
Seriously people are so brain washed they can't see further than CNN.
Go do some research on the world court and find out how many times the USA has contravened world law?
You know what I'm not going to be your teacher on this subject, save to say step back and look at the bigger picture.

it does and it doesnt... there were pretext incidents that lead to GI but these go back many many years and in order to see them... and fully understand them... we have to look at many different factors... over a lengthy period of time... and involving many different *players*...

without looking at these interrelating incidents in context, it is difficult to gain a clear picture of the events that lead directly to GI... however... Saddam... to all intent and purpose believed that the US had given him *permission* to proceed with his military offensive... he might have *thrown the first punch*... but as i mentioned in my previous post, this pretext was allowed... nay, encouraged... nay, manipulated... to occur... by the US... in order to justify their response and facilitate their own ends...



No... its not a lie... but there is a lot more to it than you seem to be implying...

Expanding Imperialism, CIA undercovers, Backing the Contras,Oil grabbing. Politicans looking for money and power. I look at the US from many angles. No, I have not read Chomsky but I have read his brainwashing of your thoughts. America is no good, the US dislikes the poor, they take food from the poor to make money. Every war that starts is America's fault. I know what America has done bad and I believe I know what they have done good. You and your boy are bogus puppets of Chomsky's propaganda. Anyone who believes that the American government has never done anything good is plain stupid.

Was it the pellet put into Saddam's brain by the CIA that made him take over Kuwait. Sorry, no encouragment, no manipulation.

BW, I am sooo turned on by your whole response in that post at this moment!

Just our own poor.

dont get me started...

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, He had no other way but to attack Kuwait. Saddam modeled himself after Hitler. His favorit e movie was the Godfather. Saddam was pure as the driven snow. Teach your anti-american Propaganda Einstein. You have not typed anything good about America. Your hostility toward America must have been building for a while. You have a deep complex. It won't hurt to much, Just type somethingg good about the USA.

Riff.... why should he type sth good when he doesn't see it? So what if he doesn't like the US.

I Still think its kind of stupied that a country like Poland that actually helped Uk should pay for it.. Maybe UK/US should pay Poland for all the years THEY got us in to Russian ocupation. They sold us out in the Yalta thread. after that we where forced to be a communist state for 50 years.

Sorry D18 forgive me if I am wrong but you dont live in Poland and have not done for many years, since the age of 1??? So I fail to see what hardship you have ever had to live through, as far as I can remember Sweeden is quite a wealthy country!

Whats you point? just becuse i dident live in the communist times or the times when Poland was rebuilding the country, that dosent mean that im not interested in Poland and the history of Poland,
My mother the only one in our family that actually leaved Poland and it wasent becuze that it was a poor EE state it was cuz my mother likes to travele so we went to Sweden and we stayed there. But when im whealty enough i will come back to Poland, and i HOPE that many Poles that are living outside poland will!!



NO i dont think so!! from 1970 the economi has only went down.. Sweden got its whealt from ww2 and after the war when Sweden was the only country in europe that could provide Europe whit steel and coal and wood to rebuild Europe.

Poland whit a big P...

Why should Poles pay for French soldiers at Verdun- Verdun had nothing to do with Poland's independence- but if you want to look at it from this angle, how much did France pay for Polish soldiers slaughtered in Bonaparte's Army.

Yes with Solidarnosc, the internal support of of the Church, the foresight of General Jaruzelski to impose Martial Law: while Russian tanks waited on our border ready to repeat Hungary's bloodbath. Poland started the fall of Communism, while the world watched and waited, no International support expected or needed.
We did not have President Reagan commanding Mr Gorbachov, Tear down that wall,as in East Berlin.

I am too young to remember the war,i was born in the 1970's.
I lost alot of my previous family during that war so i have an idea what it was like in terms of what i could of been like.
And where was i?.......i was not born then.

but hey,Grzegorz thers no need to be so hostile to me.

you obviously dont like my remark because im english.

Yes your right and didnt we pay for it......hitler really did take the piss and chamberlin came back with that famous piece of paper with some form of agreement thinking he diffused a evil disaster......how wrong he was.

I think i will leave this topic now....im not familiar enough with the two world wars we had and i dont want to say something to upset anyone.

No offence meant.

It,s not because you are English, but because some of your remarks were some of your remarks were based on ignorance and seen as offensive- esp. towards Poles.I am happy to help you in any way I can.Don't give up- and please contact me if you change your mind.(I love History -still learning).I won't say Goodbye- instead - For Now!
Best wishes,Anielka.

"You and your boy are bogus puppets of Chomsky's propaganda. Anyone who believes that the American government has never done anything good is plain stupid. "

Firstly Chomsky isn't propaganda and secondly no the American government has never done anything good. Following the collapse of democracy during the 1930's and with the ressumption of the Keynsian Capitalist methods( state funding of private buisness), the military induistrial complex was born, and came of age during the 1940's.
The American government's sole aim is to maintain the status quo of the a minority of rich elite controlling a mass of workers.

I'm not going to argue with you Riff since your fervernt patrotism is blinding you to the obvious truths, you become an apologist for the elite.

IO'm such with further study and age you will realise what I'm quoting and stating is neither fiction nor lies.
I realise you will probably be offended and become abusive, so I'm going to desist the urge to contnue.

Good night all and thanks for reading.

Dear Giles, I agree with this Quote Giles.
Do you recall when Bill Clinton stopped the ethnic slaughter of the Muslims in Bosnia and Yugoslavia. If Chomsky hasn't already made up a fake story about this event Giles you can be the honoree to make up a bogus story about it. Maybe I can start your bogus story. Once upon a time Clinton wanted money and power and he actually loved ethnic Cleansing............