Why does Poland love the US?

Our new government takes our soldiers home form Iraq ... and sends more to Afghanistan ...

which is the right thing to be doing, we should leave the iraqis to kill each other over religion and what tribes they belong to. If they want a civil war then they can have one.


what is the point in talking with you if your not going to approach the point, all of your points are simply anti american GB rubbish, there is no real reasoning in their at all, so whats the point continuing this conversation with somebody who has rose tinted specs on.

You can also put your oil fantasy behind you because i will ask you the question, what about troops in Afghanistan, what are they there for if its not fighting terrorists??

if your not against terrorism then your for it, its pretty simple :)

P.S. as far as the guy who wrote in german, i'm not even going to comment

No war has ever passed when innocent people haven't been killed.



A country should always have the right to defend its people, whether on home soil or abroad.



Its the price you pay for being a soldier, you serve abroad.



Most people would rather replace an evil dictator for something else.



Most armies throughout history are occupation armies. Its how long their politicians keep them in a country that matters. I.E pulling out f Iraq would leave that country in a worse position.

Have you ever listen about free choice ? I can't understand who put USA and GB wold sheriffs ? And no if you can't accept that this war is happening for petrol and not for libarating Iraq people it is the same like you are saying to me...why we are continuing this conversation..Armies there are occupation armies...Terrorism is the way that goverments found to pass new laws, tell me why Bin Laden family is so close friends with Bush family ? Tell me why company that is ''build'' again Iraq is vice president's, tell me why now all west companies now have contracts for petrol and no Iraq companies or goverment don't have the control, if it was to liberate these people and make them have better future.Sadam was killer and dictator from the worst of the kind, but we can't call ourselves liberators, if we are exploiting THEIR resources for our benefit. if we are killing people and not letting people to rule their lifes

lol...

as long as Kaczynski in our president we are going to be in USA-UK-Israel-Australia ... aliance. Yes we know all are members of NATO. We all know there are different groups in NATO. We have proposal form France and Germany to join them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Triangle




Germany and France is not enought to run Europe. And they want us to officialy join their team ... they wanted to do it before last NATO summit ... and we know what have happed then.

And why the hell do you care, is your country involved??

What is happening to iraq is affecting hole world....so i care.I care because i love Poland and polish people..and i have connections that i will not say in public in a forum...But the thing here is not why i care. we can't have a conversation? maybe i am wrong and someone can explain me... if you don't like what i am saying don't read or answer to me like Tornado or other people did...

I think all countries involved in this operation have horible hangover. The biges hangover is in USA and it is good all in all they were telling stories about WMD

the other question is what to do now ...

So instead of blabbering on, give us the magical solution.



mafia? bin liner? who?



I would say that the only people affected are those in Iraq and those who have lost loved ones serving there. Not exactly the worlds most pressing issue.

Thing were better for everybody when we still had the Berlin Wall. The Poles traditionally respect a strong hand and that is why they loved Mother Russia. The Poles have nothing in common with the united States of America, which in its very essence represents everything good from the true Anglo Saxon races.

Michał has a good point here, the Poles do respect a strong hand as they lack the guidance skills necessary to be a major player on the world stage. Their government/governance has never been their strong point, sth acknowledged and accepted by the overwhelming majority of Poles that I've talked to. Not my stance, I don't really read enough on Polish politics to be considered as an authority though I do keep abreast of current developments.

pull out...and stay out of other ppl business. hows that for a magical solution ?



he was probably referring to his family, but your not smart enough to grasp that..



Lol! Wrong again..its affecting the whole region. geezus!!..do you even read the news ?!



now that is real sad..they can be a world player if they want to. The poles have a
great history, i just hope poland wakes up and see where their interests are.

Giorgos, poland and greece are miles apart when it comes to international alliances and politics. That is something i expressed in my first post. Really interesting for me since I am both :)

And lastly..for those that say your either with them or against them has the same flawed mentality as George W Bush ( the world biggest dickhead )

Oh how little you know.That true communist education shows every time you open your mouth. Your indoctrination in that ideology is complete and it will never waver no matter how long you live in the west. That much I know for sure therefore I will not make any attempt to persuade you or even educate you on how wrong your statement is, but I would like you to satisfy my curiosity. Is the average Russian mentality so primitive? Or is it just you that cannot let go of the Utopian dream, that is long past and gone? Perhaps it is jealousy of us Poles that is the driving force behind your statements or for that matter Russian politics itself? Could it be that you the Russians are simply afraid of us Poles? For the last 200 years your ambition plans for Europe have been spoiled by little Poles, and that my friend shows how much respect we have for a strong hand. Even the resent history that happened during your lifetime has proved it. Your wretched Utopian dream has vanished, half of Europe regained their freedom and all you could do is watch how your Empire collapsed. We called it Solidarność, others called it fight for Freedom, and that my friend is one thing we have in common with America, because that’s what America stands for. So it has to be FEAR, no matter what you do those pesky Poles are always in your way and spoil everything. Is it too much for you to comprehend? Or perhaps when you read you can’t comprehend more than a slogan on a red banner? Look around you, enjoy what you have left of your life. Even Cuba is changing, time for you to grow up and enjoy your retirement.


Yes we lack the guidance skills necessary, especially when it comes from Brussels or Berlin on many issues concerning Europe. Conforming to the dictate of others is not necessarily a good thing. To me it shows independence, wanting to find a better path to ones’ future, etc. That’s exactly Michals point that we did not conformed to Moscow dictate.

Giorgios is partially correct although exaggerate on some issues. One must be very naive to think that this is not about financial aspect. Saddam was just a good excuse.

Pull out and from what i guess you think, just bomb the whole area??



Yup, he made that very clear...

Yes because when i go to the shops, im usually stopped by border control, please pull your head out your ass before blowing bubbles.

Yes, you are probably right. I am very jealous of Poland and the beautiful towns and the lovely Polonez motor cars and the long queue to even buy petrol. The old bald men in Poland standing outside PEWEX shops hoping to buy American dollars so that they can, in turn, buy better quality tea, coffee and chocolate. Old polish woman standing in queue to buy Russian blue toilet paper made from recycled paper. Many drunk people, a very short life span because of the stress-a wonderful life to be truly jealous of! It was not Solidarność that brought Communism down, it was the collapsing communist state that alllowed solidarność to grow and flurish in the first place.

This officially confirms my suspicion. It’s primitive Russian mentality. No offense, but you are losing it old chap. There is a glimmer of hope for you yet though, you see that communism have collapsed. Now all you have to do is: take a deep breath let it all sink in and enjoy your retirement.
PS.
Get a new prescription, you are quoting me yet you put expatriot: A sure sign of old age.

First, Michal's only point is to belittle and offend Poles, so no, he doesn't have a point. He is only a disillusioned commie, full of hatred towards anything polish, and even anybody who looks at Poland in a favorable way. You have been on PF long enough to see that.

As for your statements, they are party true. Only partly because combined they just do not make sense. Polish governance is certainly not Poland's strong point. But then, whenever Poles has the so called "strong hand" over their heads they rebelled.

Saying that Poles are difficult to govern is true, but this is not the same as saying that they appreciate strong hand.




Unlike soviet toy money, dollars bought goods.



Toilet paper manufactured in Russia? Must have been for export only.



Average life expectancy in Poland is 75.19.
Average life expectancy in Poland is 65.87.

See? If you russkies used the toilet paper you exported insted then this might have added a month or so to your life expectancy. Basic hygiene helps.




You can deny Solidarity's role in the collapse of your shithole USSR till the cows come home, but the fact remains that Solidarity showed others how to stick the middle finger towards the likes of your masters, and gave hope to all in the countries occupied by commies.

If anybody 'allowed' the Soviet Union an escape hole, which undoubtadly they were indeed looking for, then it was Hungry in opening their border with Austria.

Piorun,
Very sorry to interject but I would like very much to discuss one of your other postings about carp. I note that you don't accept private emails. Is there any way we can discuss the subject of carp in Poland? I am a journalist who has written many articles and books about carp and my email is carpercfn@btconnect.com

Thank you
Kevin

Expatriot, I don't understand you. You abhor the US for selling Poland to Communism but instruct the Poles to align with the very nation that was implementing that communism. You detest America for putting in missile sheilds that have resulted in Russian missiles aimed at Poland and yet you want Poland to become allies with the same country that would so rashly point it's bombs at its neighbor. You talk about Poland's history and yet you want her to become partners with the country that has caused the most pain during that history. Yes, when Poland made unions with its neighbors she was strong, but Russia has never offered her hand in unity and Poland's strength was meant to protect her from Russia. The only pacts Russia has made as been with other countries...to destroy Poland. I have no desire to become allies with such a nation. Poland wants to stand on her own. She needs help. Even though America has been far from perfect, she'd prefer to get her help from the states then from Russia.

All im saying ebony...is blood should be thicker than water and whatever happened in the past should be recognized and buried in the past. We should mend relations with russia, and team up with them in the energy business...IMO

no i disaggree with expatriot a bit...we can not bury what happend in the past...because history can teach us many lessons.I don't expect from Polsih people to be like nothing happend with Russians, they were slaughtering Polish people...On the other hand we can't be hiding behind history and at least must try to cooperate with old enemies...Maybe no allies but at least good neighbor,not causing problems each other....And of course EU will have benefit if we will cooperate with Russia in energy sector

doubt itt, if you've been on these forums long enough, you would have seen by now the general Polish opinions on the US

Poland wants U.S. to be 3rd leg of its security plan

iht.com/articles/ 2008/04/21/europe/poland.php

Neither NATO nor the European Union can provide sufficient security
to calm Poland's fears, particularly with Russia now resurgent to
its east, and so the government in Warsaw wants the United States to
base part of its planned antimissile system here to provide an
American guarantee of safety, according to Poland's defense minister.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/21/europe/poland.php

farcical.

but strangely unsurprising

Insanity

This was the papers quote not mine.

to say the least...