Poland's overall view on the US?

Actually, 9/11 and the War in Iraq are dirctly related...9/11 was a false-flag terror op
perpetrated by elements in the American military/intelligence/corporate complex, along
with the Mossad to sieze Iraqi oil & to aid Zionist plans for 'Yeretz Yisrael' that would
ultimately include parts of Iraq, Syria, Jordan & Saudi Arabia...also, a little known fact:
the former Shah of Iran (who by the way, was from a Russian Jewish family) used to supply Israel w/cheap oil through the Israeli port of Eilat...when the Muslims took over in
Iran, this stopped...so, some of the Iraqi oil is destined for Israel, at cheap prices, and
the rest is to stay in the ground, in order to drive world prices up...a majority of Americans oppose this war, and certainly consider George Bush a traitor...but, you see,
the American public has been asleep for so long, brainwashed by television & the 'consumer culture' that we have been very slow in coming to grips with the truth...
I lived thru, and was eligible for the draft during the Vietnam War, so I have a little dif-
ferent perspective on the motives of 'governments'...but, Americans realize how this
fiasco in Iraq has lowered our standing, in terms of morality & respect, with the world in
general...we are in a deep hole here in America, and, sadly, we might not be able to
climb out in the near future...by the way, do the Rothschilds have a bank in Poland yet?

hmmm....why do all of your posts appear to be copied and pasted?

having trouble thinking for yourself?

I hate to repeat myself but here goes:
Although the cold war ended some time ago, Russia and USA still compete with each other in many various places in the world, the Middle East being probably the most important area of their struggle. Both countries can't afford an open conflict with each other as it would be to devastating, and the only winner in it would be probably other wanna-be superpower like china for example. That's why both countries support their enemies instead of carrying an open conflict with each other.

USA invaded Afghanistan and Iraq not because of Al-qaida, but because of the oil. Osama Bin-laden isn't a serious threat for USA. He’s just being used by American government to keep American society in constant fear. It allows them to better control it's people and convince them to support their conflicts. As I already mentioned somewhere on this forum, American government knew about the al-qaida plans to destroy the WTC. They sacrificed their own people to convince the rest of society that there really is a serious threat form the side of Arabs so that the society would support their future invasions. It worked. That of course doesn't mean that Osama was set up and that he is innocent. Osama Bin laden is a mad man that tries to keep middle eastern oil for himself. He also tries to manipulate Middle Eastern people by depicting Americans as modern crusaders. To sum this up, Bush and Osama use a very similar rhetoric in order to persuade people to listen to them.

The truth is that an ordinary Iraqi wants to live in peace. Although he sees the American army as invaders he has enough of bombings and extremists. If Americans would succeed in restoring peace in Iraq they would probably accept them. Well at least for some time. Withdrawing Americans troops now, during this hard times, would definitely push the Iraqi population in the hands of Americans enemies, like Iran and its supporter, Russia. Not a very smart thing to do.



During the communist times the USA was seen here as the land of the free and many opportunities. Everybody was dreaming about the American dream in the gray Poland of the 60's, 70's etc... Besides Americans were the enemies of the Ruskies, thus making them our friends. Now this enthusiastic approach to USA is slowly calming down here, although I wouldn’t call it hate. It's just that just like the Western Europe noticed us after the 1 may 2004, we noticed them back. Suddenly it appeared that you don't have to fly over the pond to live a life like from the Hollywood movies. London is definitely closer than Washington, and just as interesting. Besides, while we can move freely throughout the whole EU, we have to get a visa in order to go to USA. It seems that Europeans care more about us, which, because of the geographical position of our countries is obvious. I don’t think that many Americans even know that Poland takes part in “the war on terrorism”. I don’t think that an ordinary Americans cares actually. :)

Don't hate:::I enjoy your posts because you're a very level headed person, regardless if you agree or not. I'm always pleased to see them Mat :)

Actually, we do. Many of us have families/friends that live overseas. We're fully aware of who's sending troops and who isn't. Believe me, if there are countries that don't support America, media lets it be known....like issues with France for example. The media tried to get everyone to boycott French products.

Of course :)

i gotta say fisz, ive nothing to add to it. its a topic i am not able to add to in any meaningful way. sorry bud.

to be on topic id have to say id have thought that polands view would be the same as ireland as so many of us both emmigrated there and share an affinity to the states and vice versa.

however like ireland today - i can see how our views have been strained by the foreign policy of the last 8 years.

<cough> ...CHINA!? </cough>

you seem to have a cold. For treatment, take medication... or... just use common sense and follow more news and views.

Give it 30 years.. :)

I think every American is aware of this idea. That's what a lot of the protests were about.


And to make things worse, it seems that every single person who makes a terrorist threat against the US or attempts an act of terrorism claims that they were sent by bin laden. I don't know if it's true but that's what they usually claim. The US gets terrorist threats all the time, for public gatherings, sports stadiums, parades, buildings...


And it's gotten even harder to get one since 9/11.

Al-Qaida as such doesn't exist anymore like it did during 9/11 or on the bombing of that embassy in Kenya a year or 2 before or the bombing of that American ship somewhere around that time-frame too.

It's not centrally coordinated anymore. The terrorists use the name as what it stands for: Bin Laden, fear, terrorism, panic, extremism, media attention, etc..

Any terrorist can make a "branch" & call it al Qaida.

Al Quaida

No need Mat. your posts are excellent even when I disagree.
I don´t think Afghanistan was invaded because of oil, their arrogant attitude on question of handing out Osama was the reason. Talebans should have been put even before but Clinton wanted to keep the poppy fields burned down as was the practice of Talebans. So Talebans got away with their s**t like oppressing women.
Iraq was another case, but Saddam Hussein was still a risk. Maybe not alone, but allied with others...And it also set an example to others: Gaddafi is "domesticated" now compared what he was in 80s.