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Poland Property...should I be scared


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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 17, 06, 03:18  #31

Let`s just omit all of the trollish posts and continue the discussion from the point where it ended.

So let me remind you how the discussion looked like before it turned into a fest for trolles:

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Jul 12 2006, 04:05 Quote .

#2

these are all quite difficult questions,

where? i'd say "aim at big city".

you can make money on buying and selling an appartment, the price growth at the moment is madness, so you might even win some in a very short time. with a house prety much the same.

buying an old city property and renovating it can be a difficult thing to do because of adaministrative/paper work that goes with it. if you want to do that, you might step in a pile of sh... I wouldn't go this way.

anyway buying an old property in an old neighbourhood might be a mistake from starters.

finance shouldn't be a problem, nowadays you get it very quickly, but make the choice of a bank very carefully

parking: a garage is always a good idea, for the car protection rather than finding a place to park.

anyway, take what I wrote with a distance, I don't have much experience with it myself.
I'm saying what I remember from my brother's experience with these things. He owns an appartement in Gdansk and now is building a house,

one more thing. if you plan to buy a property, hurry up. the prices in cities like Gdansk or Warsaw already reach the same level as in Brussels in the European Quartier - and that's expensive.
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. Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada Jul 12 2006, 09:31 Quote .

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Why should you be scared ? Poland is a free country and here you can express all kinds of opinions - as long as they are based on facts - and that some people who want to undermine that rule as well as caouse problems aren`t being welcomed here is a different issue.

..You know here you aren`t being fined for comiting "thought crimes" and "speech crimes" like "homophobia" or "islamophobia" ..the media here aren`t using self censorship to hide varous events that are going on in our country.. ..the police here isn`t scared of being accused of being "racist".. ..noone here displaying the national flag in his own country can not be acused of "facism".. ..we also aren`t changing our history books to make our history fit into the politically correct sheme ..and noone here is affraid of nameing things by their real name ..unlike in some parts of Europe.

If you`re searching for a realestate offer - you`re going to find it here:

http://oferty.net/mieszkania/

http://www.mls.com.pl


or in any other MLS system - that one above contains offers only from a limited number of cities. Basicly every bigger city in Poland has an MLS system.

I agree with the anwsers given by glowa besides that, in the courent moment one of the best places to buy an appartment is Gdynia (it`s a part of 3City) cose it had been voted as the place to live in Poland - and when you`re asking about capital growth then the real estate prices are rising here very fast - ofcourse the best place for a real estate investment are the major cities as well as the Mazury region - however the prices are rising so fast that it would be advisable that you`d make your purchase as fast as possible.

From what country are you - if I may ask ?
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Poles are following the herd. Prices of new homes between January and June 2006. The Pole's favorite saying: "You cannot look worse than your neighbour". IMO they are shooting themselves in their foot - in a few years only about 10% of the whole society will afford to buy a home... .

Property in Poland (Prices) - 01/06-06/06

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Jul 13 2006, 02:10 Quote .

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Quoting: names, Post #15
Poles are following the herd. Prices of new homes between January and June 2006. The Pole's favorite saying: "You cannot look worse than your neighbour". IMO they are shooting themselves in their foot - in a few years only about 10% of the whole society will afford to buy a home... .


How about supply and demand ?

There are 123251 real estate offers in this service alone.

http://www.krn.pl/

If someone`s selling those real estates and is offering the prices his offering - then there has to be someone who`s buying them.. it`s really quite simple..
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Jul 13 2006, 02:44 Quote .

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Guy I have read with intrest your various offerings with regards to buying property in Poland,

glowa...my own research shows that what you wrote is spot on...thank you.Rafik, Wujek_Dobra_Rada,lef ,and names...again thank you for you insightfull and often entertaining predictions.

Perhaps I can shed some light on the Polish property market myself.

I come from a city Called Belfast in Northern Ireland.For over 800 years this part of the world has suffered due to ongoing political violence...bombs,shootings,etc.

The majority of our young people moved to australia,america and the uk, and as such we had what was know as \"the brain drain\"..although even our uneducated found well paying jobs on building sites around europe.



20 years ago house prices were extremly low...an average belfast home cost around 2000 euros and the average wage was also pretty low.

Now the average belfast home costs around 200,000 euro and rising.

In dublin you cannot buy a property within ten miles of the city center for less than 1 million when even 10 years ago it would have been 100,000.

You have to also remember that Ireland was also a very poor country...house prices are rising and people are buying...everyone i know who owns a property here is trying to...or already has bought a second home.

Poland is simply experiencing the same thing as Ireland did before it joined the eu...what Belfast experienced before the troubles ended and what every country including the united kingdom and america experienced.

Your young people leave becaues the want a better life and more money.

In 10 years you will not recognise Poland because the massive amount of money the eu will inject will make huge differences.As poland has a high standard of education and a work force is cheao many,many companies will invest there because it is cheap for them to do so.

As Poland stats to shake off its old world communist image many ,many People will travell there as tourists which will bring so much money you will not believe.

The children that are born today will be raised in a different Poland to the one you know and when they come to the age when they want to study and work they will stay in Poland.

In ten years time alot of the Polish who are overseas will come home, they will want to start families, businesses, buy property etc

There are so many people buying property now in pooland because they have some surpluss cash and cannot afford property in their home countries...

but remember...if you stay to long wherever you are you to may find that like them you are priced out of your home property market.
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. Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada Jul 13 2006, 02:53 Quote .

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@bubbleberry

This is already hapening since 1997.

It`s since 1997 we`re getting all those really huge investments and our companies changed their strategies from a price-competetive approach to a quality-competetive approach. It`s since that time we`re reciving EU funds (though it`s only from this year that we can say that they are significant).

And when we`re talking about migration then it`s since the early 1990s that we`re seeing a large wave of comebacks cose it`s since that time the people who imigrated from here during the 1980s are returning back and setteling here.

It might take us a while untill we`re going to get as wealthy as Ireland - but we`re on that way qute fast for a country of our size - the situation here is developing so fast that with each year it`s difficoult for me, though I`m living here, to recognize my country.

This is part of Warsaw`s downtown now - from what you can see only the 3 skyscrapers on the right have existed 10 years ago:


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The anwsers for all of the idiotic questions and "opinions" is already contained in what has been said above.

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Easypoland [Guest]
  Jul 17, 06, 03:31  #32

I am from France and I bought a very nice apartment in Podgorze, Krakow because Krakow is such a marvel city;

If you buy in a beautiful city you will never lose money because the demand will always remain strong.

So why not buy in Krakow?!

Good luck,

Ps It is the right moment to buy in Poland no matter what people say.The Economy will improve soon just like Irelenad , and Spain in the past.

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rafik
  Jul 17, 06, 05:15  #33

Quoting: lef, Post #36
Rafik....If you are buying a property to live in ,sure this will be good, but a property for investment and borrowing big money, I doubt it.


well when i spoke to my ex employer 3 years ago(indian guy who made a fortune from buing and selling properties)he said that he was going to buy a big property in krakow(tenement house)-if such a person thinks that poland is a good country to invest money i would belive him.if i remember properly at this time he already bought a few properties in dubai so he is not just a common investor.

Quoting: lef, Post #36

This bloke wujek whoever he is doesn't know what he is talking about, he has never been to a western type country, all he knows is what he reads in comics ie micky mouse, donald duck etc


i doubt it somehow

Quoting: lef, Post #36
The key to real estate is what my property might be worth in say 5 -10 years time and if somebody will be able to buy my property in that time. On current polish earnings that is the question.


Polish earnings are rising and i can not see them stop rising as so many skilled people are heading west.the unemployment rate is 16% now(compared to over 20%a few years ago) and still falling.in 5 10 years time the people who work overseas will start coming back and pumping their money into our system.once there will be a good infrastructure(airports and especially highways!)poland will develop even faster.Poland and ukraine stand a very good chance to organise euro champs in 2012 if we do the necessary changes will be imposed even faster.lef i respect your point of view but let me not agree with you.i am an optimist but only when time gone past we would see who was right.my only concern is the goverment we have now but even though i think they can't screw it up

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lef
  Jul 17, 06, 16:18  #34

Location, Location, location is the key to any real estate purchases, if you buy in the right location you will never go wrong.
I make the point that real estate in poland is a baby and is heading in an unknown direction, it may go up, it may stabilise, it may bottom out... there is a cycle in real estate growth and it depends what is the flavour of the month for investors and investment funds, at the moment here shares seem to be the flavour of the months.
It is unknown (I think) if the poilish government will introduce capital gains tax which will put a damper on this type of iinvestment.

I stress and make the following point again, It does not help the average pole when real estate goes thru the roof as it puts them out of the property market.

Years ago poles would purchase a block of land and build when funds were available and were relative debt free. now to access real estate they will have to borrow money and be at the mercy of the banks.
Interest rates are pretty low at the moment but they too rise, and I recall a time when interest rates here were 13%
How much can a average worker borrow and still maintain a good lifestyle. The big change will be poles will be living in homes owned by the banks whereas previously they were self owned.

Increase health and petrol prices do not help the situation.

It is good to discuss all angles to a arguement... it is good to have a devils advocate

Most people who leave Poland for a considerable amount of time rarely return to live pernamently in poland.

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rafik
Edited by: rafik  Jul 17, 06, 17:00  #35

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Quoting: lef, Post #41
Location, Location, location is the key to any real estate purchases, if you buy in the right location you will never go wrong

that is right i agree
Quoting: lef, Post #41
poland is a baby and is heading in an unknown direction

well as i said once the time has gone past we would know
Quoting: lef, Post #41
I stress and make the following point again, It does not help the average pole when real estate goes thru the roof as it puts them out of the property market.

of course not i am trembling already when i think about buing a house next year(
Quoting: lef, Post #41
Years ago poles would purchase a block of land and build when funds were available and were relative debt free

what funds are you talking about?years ago an average Pole could not afford even a small things like video-player or fiat 126p
Quoting: lef, Post #41
to borrow money and be at the mercy of the banks

that is what The people western countries do and we will have to accept it
Quoting: lef, Post #41
How much can a average worker borrow and still maintain a good lifestyle.

competition is a cure for such problems-this word is ,unfortunately, still unknown by banks in poland
Quoting: lef, Post #41
Increase health and petrol prices do not help the situation.

this affects every country,not just poland
Quoting: lef, Post #41
Most people who leave Poland for a considerable amount of time rarely return to live pernamently in poland

that's not really true.the most WELL EDUCATED people who i know want come back to poland after a few years once:
they have saved enough money to buy a property
they gained some experience
they learnt english-as the level of english is not very high especially among us-people 30+
so let's the time go past

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lef
  Jul 17, 06, 18:07  #36

Thanks for your reponse rafik, can I just ask if properties continue to rise what polish worker will even be able to consider buying a property.
From my experience polish people who come here (australia) for short periods want to stay here because they get used to the easy way of living... I might add that poles here have a very good name and fit in very well.
One thing here is that we have award wages and conditions, and employers must contribute to a compulsory supperanuation scheme, it has also attractive welfare payments for the sick and unemployed... the only reason australia is a rich country is that it has rich natural resources, primary production and tourism.
In poland today (I think I am right here) wages and conditons are at the discretion of the employer and no rights of appeal.. I heard that supermarket staff are not allowed time to go to the toilet (?)
If real estate goes up, and as you say wages go up, what happens to the plight of people on welfare payments ie aged pensioners and unemployed...The polish government is currently working in the red (where will it get its money from)
The people cashing in the current real estqte are big businessess, speculators, and overseas interest, all I might add at the expensive of the pole.

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rafik
  Jul 17, 06, 19:56  #37

Quoting: lef, Post #43
Thanks for your reponse rafik, can I just ask if properties continue to rise what polish worker will even be able to consider buying a property.
From my experience polish people who come here (australia) for short periods want to stay here because they get used to the easy way of living... I might add that poles here have a very good name and fit in very well.

or maybe they are so tight that they don't want to spend 600£ on a return ticket or after 24 hours of flight to australia they are too scared to get on the board again
it is only 2 hours flight and 50£ return ticket from the UK
Quoting: lef, Post #43
the only reason australia is a rich country is that it has rich natural resources, primary production and tourism.

i think it has to do with something else like lets say;good managment.russia has an awfull lot natural resources and in the past a lot of tourists went to siberia and it is still very bad country to live in.
Quoting: lef, Post #43
In poland today (I think I am right here) wages and conditons are at the discretion of the employer and no rights of appeal.. I heard that supermarket staff are not allowed time to go to the toilet (?)

it is possible-supermarkets are mostly owned by foreigners-we will try to sort them out
i am not saying that poland is a country like lets say norway but the conditions WILL get better and thats why i think people,companies Will continue buying properties and that's why the prices WILL continue to rise unless everyone sells their properties at the same time which is impossible unless some disaster struck.who is right i don'know,we will see.
Quoting: lef, Post #43
can I just ask if properties continue to rise what polish worker will even be able to consider buying a property

i don't know lef. if think when the wages level everywhere in europe a mortgage will be the only option for poorer workers

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lef
  Jul 17, 06, 20:58  #38

I hear what you are saying, I've been to poland many times, I know there are many rich people in poland with very nice homes, but most people live on a week to week basis and cannot afford the better things of life, can I ask you a few questions,

What are the current interest rates in poland and what is the average loan taken out when purchasing a house.
Like I mentioned before, properties in the country all over the world grow very slowly.

If a person were to purchase a property for 400000zl, how much could he borrow?

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 18, 06, 00:48  #39

Quoting: lef, Post #45
What are the current interest rates in poland and what is the average loan taken out when purchasing a house.


3,4%

Quoting: lef, Post #45
If a person were to purchase a property for 400000zl, how much could he borrow?


400000zl

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rafik
  Jul 18, 06, 06:22  #40

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #46
400000zl

i am not really sure.this may depend on how much you earn.my friend earned 1500zl so did his missus and they could not get any loan(mortgage).
how much do i have to earn to get a loan of 400000zl?

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 18, 06, 09:12  #41

Quoting: rafik, Post #47
i am not really sure.this may depend on how much you earn.my friend earned 1500zl so did his missus and they could not get any loan(mortgage).
how much do i have to earn to get a loan of 400000zl?


The amount of money you earn is one of the factors that is being calculated while judging your credit ability. For a bank it is equally important if your income is stable, if you`ve previously taken a credit and did you pay all of it on time, as well what are your assets (i.e. do you have a car). Each bank has its own 10-20 parameters based on which it calculates if it can give you a credit or not.

With an earning 1500 PLN brutto per month it is very unlikely to acquire a 400000 PLN mortgage in a bank, however 100000 PLN in case of a stable income and no previous credit problems today is likely.

To have a 400000 PLN morgage your friend would probably have to earn 5000 PLN brutto per month and his wife c.a. 3000 PLN - but for 400000 PLN you can buy a big house outside a city or some luxourious appartment in the city center.

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  Jul 18, 06, 09:46  #42

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #48
The amount of money you earn is one of the factors that is being calculated while judging your credit ability. For a bank it is equally important if your income is stable, if you`ve previously taken a credit and did you pay all of it on time, as well what are your assets (i.e. do you have a car). Each bank has its own 10-20 parameters based on which it calculates if it can give you a credit or not.

With an earning 1500 PLN brutto per month it is very unlikely to acquire a 400000 PLN mortgage in a bank, however 100000 PLN in case of a stable income and no previous credit problems today is likely.

To have a 400000 PLN morgage your friend would probably have to earn 5000 PLN brutto per month and his wife c.a. 3000 PLN - but for 400000 PLN you can buy a big house outside a city or some luxourious appartment in the city center.

ok thanx wujek.i am thinking about getting a loan of lets say 100000zl.i have enough money to buy a house but i don't want to spend it all at once and having nothing when something unforseen comes up.but my priority now is getting a good job so i can take a loan
thanx again

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  Jul 18, 06, 10:06  #43

Let's face it most countries are expensive to buy in these days...property prices rose circa. £1500 last week, which is not really in line with infation.....my advice to Polish people living over here is save save save and buy buy buy back home!....lets face it who wants to set up home over in England anyway!

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Edited by: rafik  Jul 18, 06, 11:10  #44

Quoting: Shelley, Post #50
Let's face it most countries are expensive to buy in these days...property prices rose circa. £1500 last week, which is not really in line with infation.....my advice to Polish people living over here is save save save and buy buy buy back home!....lets face it who wants to set up home over in England anyway!


shelley it is not true a lot of people want to stay in the UK.myself and my friends want to go back to poland after a few years because:
most of us have masters degrees but our diplomas are not recognized here.
we are in our 30s-it is too late to start studying again
we stand a great chance to find a really good job back in poland (ie managment)
we don't want to be factory workers forever.
a lot of young polish people want to stay here forever or at least for a very long time especially 16-25 years old cos they have TIME to kick- start their careers
personally i love this country it is my second home,my english friens are coming to my wedding.
everything i have now is because of the ENGLISH people
i worked with pakis and indians and they gave me NOTHING

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  Jul 18, 06, 16:48  #45

I must agree with rafik, english people (aussies even better) are very good people, loyal and ready to help, and not rip somebody off, unfortunatelly england is full of indians/pakis/ turks and they give the whole country a bad name.
Both countries have its good sides and like all things people settle down where they best feel at home.

Shelley with your attitute you are only a free loader, spitting on england and using it for a financial gain, If you don't like living there go back to Poland, sorry but that is the truth.

I am quite sure many a polish person who have worked in england and now living in poland has very good memories of time in that country, (ask any pole who has worked in germany/italy and hear there horror stories)

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  Jul 18, 06, 19:42  #46

I'm sorry, I hope wujek is not listening, but if a country accepts you and looks after you, you don't through shit at it. the english have always had a great respect for poles, especially the polish soldier and the previous pope

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  Jul 19, 06, 09:01  #47

As it was me who started this conversation, who asked the question…Poland Property...should I be scared…I thought it was only fair be allowed to reply openly to those who took the time to offer me advice…SO THANK YOU…

But I wanted to address some of you on an individual basis…

To rafik who wrote “i worked with pakis and indians and they gave me NOTHING” what did you expect them to give you? With your attitude you are lucky they did not give you a slap in the face you racist fucker ! Go back to poland…or better still go back in time and join your good friend Adolf hitler…


To lef who wrote” unfortunatelly england is full of indians/pakis/ turks and they give the whole country a bad name. “…well there is a bus going to Poland and your good friend rafik is in the driving seat….why don’t you jump on…the amount of time you spend online talking shit makes me think you could use the company of another racist bastard like you.


So…Poland…should I be scared….well given the amount of honest advice offered by althose who took part in this discussion I hope not….but with the number of frankly quite stupid and racist remarks that have been made perhaps I need to reconsider…Just remember the only reason you are allowed to live in this country is because we need you to do the shit jobs that people here do not want….so don’t be so bloddy arrogant and have some compasion for those who travelled from countries that are even poorer than poland….such as india and pakistan!

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  Jul 19, 06, 09:19  #48

Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
you expect them to give you?

i am not sure if it is worth it but i am gonna answer your questions:
to respect me as i DID respect them(not any more)
to pay me money usually paid for this job
not to be discriminated on a daily basis because i am white and christian
my girlfriend got even less money cos she is a GIRL
Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
you racist fucker !

i am talking about facts so i don't give it sh.
it what you are thinking about me
Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55

Go back to poland
if think it would be better to send all pakis down to their shit holes or maybe to your country so you can socialize with them
Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
Adolf hitler

i have never said to kill anyone i want to keep them out of europe
i am not against jews-i wish them good lack in lebanon
Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
need to reconsider

i think you should you will meet more people like us in poland
Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
compasion



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  Jul 19, 06, 09:29  #49

Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
the shit jobs that people here do not want….

by the way what job have you got?
my is an office job-no you are wrong it is not cleaning.
it is good and cushy job.
you have just shown your attitude towards all poles in the UK.you do not like me but offence everyone in the UK

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Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada  Jul 19, 06, 09:46  #50

Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
As it was me who started this conversation, who asked the question…Poland Property...should I be scared…I thought it was only fair be allowed to reply openly to those who took the time to offer me advice…SO THANK YOU…

But I wanted to address some of you on an individual basis…

To rafik who wrote “i worked with pakis and indians and they gave me NOTHING” what did you expect them to give you? With your attitude you are lucky they did not give you a slap in the face you racist fucker ! Go back to poland…or better still go back in time and join your good friend Adolf hitler…


To lef who wrote” unfortunatelly england is full of indians/pakis/ turks and they give the whole country a bad name. “…well there is a bus going to Poland and your good friend rafik is in the driving seat….why don’t you jump on…the amount of time you spend online talking shit makes me think you could use the company of another racist bastard like you.


So…Poland…should I be scared….well given the amount of honest advice offered by althose who took part in this discussion I hope not….but with the number of frankly quite stupid and racist remarks that have been made perhaps I need to reconsider…Just remember the only reason you are allowed to live in this country is because we need you to do the shit jobs that people here do not want….so don’t be so bloddy arrogant and have some compasion for those who travelled from countries that are even poorer than poland….such as india and pakistan!


Well, if you`re so oversensitive an scream "racism" where there isn`t any, and you it`s quite visable that you have some objections against the freedom of speech - then perhaps you really should make your investment elsewhere. And I`m absoloutely serious about it cose in this country we only accept people who respect our rules, our country and people - if you accept our rules, respect our country and people, that`s fine - you`re welcomed here (and it dosn`t matter what kind of skincolor, religion or sexual oriantation, you have) - but if you don`t our rules, you don`t respect our country and people - then there are so many places around the world where you can settle - and there will 10 other people who`d like to settle here instead of you.

What rafik says - I find is correct - it is true that many Arabs and Pakistanis in W. Europe who are living there since generations don`t assimilate, while contributing very little to those countries and nowdays according to various studies about 31% of those immigrants living in the UK wants to destroy Western culture, cose the see it as decadent - and 1% of those immigrants (16.000 people) says that they want to do it comitting acts of voilance. I`m sorry but you`d have to be ignorant to not to see the problem. Why should we feel compassion for those people - who in many cases are the real racists - racists against whites, jews, asians and christian blacks ?

You see - I, as well as most people in Poland wouldn`t want to see this situation here - to fear ourselves in our country to be stabbed in some dark corner becaouse of our skincolor and on top of that being acused of being "racist" in our own country i.e. becaouse most of our national dishes has some pig-meat inside or becaouse someone dares to display his national symbols in his own country. If you don`t like it - then perhaps indeed you should buy property somewhere else. Trust me there are more than enough people wiling to purchase property here anyway.

To lefs defense I have to say that he isn`t Polish - he`s just some idiot Australian.. and that is self explanatory.

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  Jul 19, 06, 11:22  #51

Just so you know the girl that I have been going out with for nearly a year now is Polish, I have Polish friends who came her 9 years ago, with nothing,illegally and I helped them get somewhere to live, i helped them get jobs...But then they all have travelled extensively, have seen the beauty of other countries, and have realised that a persons character is not defined by their accent, their skin colour or their race...

In relation to the comment made about the English flag during the world cup...perhaps you are unaware that england supporters were not so long ago banned from attending matches in every country in Europe because of the violence that they brought with them.The BRITISH F.A. wanted less flags because they hoped that the supporters would relate better to citizens of other countries that way...there would be less fear...But given the amount of Polish soccer holligans there are perhaps its not the english fans they need to worry abouT

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Edited by: rafik  Jul 19, 06, 11:28  #52

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #60
And this won`t hapen here.

i am sure it won't
Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #55
but with the number of frankly quite stupid and racist remarks that have been made

there were many posts sent on this forum about the Polish people which contained some remarks which could be called "racist" according to you.
examples?
poles are drunkards,cheats,two-faced+things like"every house should have a pole by..." and even you indicate that Poles are too stupid to do something else than "shit jobs that nobody else want to do" even though a lot of people who come to the UK are highly skilled and well educated. you haven't mentioned any of this because we are white so obviously saying this is not racist. i think you are a big 2-faced,politicly correct as.hole who was brought in a posh family and has too much time on your hands

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 19, 06, 12:59  #53

Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #61
But then they all have travelled extensively, have seen the beauty of other countries, and have realised that a persons character is not defined by their accent, their skin colour or their race...


Tell that to all of the "youghts" who aren`t allowing whites to traspass "their" neighbourhoods in various parts of Europe or all of those mullachs who are preaching the destruction of Europe thruout our continent.

Quoting: bubbleberry, Post #61
The BRITISH F.A. wanted less flags because they hoped that the supporters would relate better to citizens of other countries that way..


I`ve heared that the British F.A. has done that in the name of political corectness - becaouse the red cross on the flag seemd to be to "provocative" for some Muslims - but this is only one of hundreds of examples of the raging stupidity concerning political correctness in some EU15 countries.

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  Jul 20, 06, 03:25  #54

wow....you guys really do have an over inflated sense of your own self importance !


rafik wrote that some people state on this forum that "poles are drunkards,cheats,two-faced+things like"every house should have a pole by..."...but I have never said this...I will quote myself and state again "a persons character is not defined by their accent, their skin colour or their race" mabey for those of you that have difficulty understanding what this means...it means that " drunkards,cheats,two-faced+things like" cannot be defined by a persons nationality....even if they are Polish.

You also state and even you indicate that Poles are too stupid to do something else than "shit jobs that nobody else want to do"....well I am totally aware of the education system in Poland...and that quite frankly a great number of Polish nationals are over educated given the limited possibilitys that they have in their home country.But I am also aware that the u.k. does not limit entrance to those who have a great education....so it is quite possible that a number of Polish nationals who come here are "drunkards,cheats,two-faced+things like"

As for me being some rich guy....hmmmm

I was raised by my mum,Left school at 15 WITH NO EDUCATION ...and spent many years doing little else but getting drunk and doing drugs,living in squats and sleeping in cars....When I straightened myself out I realised that I was lucky and started working with the homeless and those with drug and alcohol problems.It was thru this that I met the Polish guy I wrote about....


Some of you say that because one has a point of view it does not mean that he should be given abuse....does that go for abu hamza as well...or just you Polish...

As for the English flag....well do your research and look into the problems that English football fans have caused thru the years...

By the way as for India and Pakistan....mabey you should examine the history of these two countries....the fact that they were one nation until the English went to visit may say something about the issues they face....and by the way....

The term "Paki" is in itself racist....

Pieprzone Polaczki

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ola
  Jul 20, 06, 06:06  #55

Quoting: lef, Post #24
probally agree that real estate in Warsaw/Krakow is worth looking into.. but keep in mind if you were forced to sell you may not recover what you have invested.


This is a complete nonsense, you have no idea about the real estate market in Warsaw/Kraków...

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  Jul 20, 06, 07:43  #56

Rafik...I have never BEAT anyone up, wether on drugs or not...I never felt the need to impose myself on others that way. I have had a number of fights with limp dicked assholes like you...

It may be better to be better educated than over educated...but I guess its what you do with that education that counts.While many people in Poland may be over educated little of them are able to use that education in any way that benifits them or their country. Furthermore many of the educated Polish Nationals are leaving so that they can earn a more overseas, which I totally understand, but which is also a bit unfair.The Polish state pay for their education and other countrys get the benifit ! Does not seem very fair to me!I on the other hand was not lucky enough to have a free,formal education,I have no wealthy family or friends, and I am the Operations Manager for a world wide distribution company..guess being "a 2 faced drug abuser with no brain " has worked out ok for me...how are you doing ?

As for asking what soccer violence has to do with a flag...well mabey the authoritys remember how many flags were flown during the previous violence and they think nationals of other countries may be wary of large groups of males flying the same flag.I agree that flying a flag does not mean you are violent but perhaps we should ask the victaims of the previous violence what the flag means to them? Is the world cup not about bringing nations together in peace as appose to the definement of one nation?

"ye ye ye feel sorry for your nation.if not english these two peace loving countries would still be together "...CORRECT !! They lived in peace for many years before the english came along...you may want to comment on the fact that most Muslim countries were living in peace before the English arrived...The Crusades were a series of military campaigns—usually sanctioned by the Papacy—that took place during the 11th through 13th centuries. Originally, they were Roman Catholic Holy Wars to capture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims....No doubt Rafik would be on his little pony martching into battle with his little flag flying in the wind if he lived back then

ok so is BRIT,SWEDE,POLE ... The terms brit,paki or pole may not be racist but how they are useed may be concrued to be so.How you say something is just as important as what you say...The term Paki is always used in an unplesant way which is not the case with brit, aussie and brit.

come on say what you mean i did not get it ....well try this...

Racism is prejudice or discrimination based on the belief that race is the primary factor determining human traits and abilities. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another. In the name of protecting their race from "contamination," some racists justify the domination and destruction of races they consider to be either superior or inferior. Institutional racism is racial prejudice supported by institutional power and authority used to the advantage of one race over others.

The British WERE,and can still be, institutionaly racist...you are simply racist!

btw is it the way you greet your polish friends in the morning? ...No...but I have a feeling you know little of friendship,,

Finally you said....it is better to a fucking pollock than 2 faced drug abuser with no brain who has no respect for himself and his country ...hmmmm

I am from Belfast, Northern Ireland, Part of Britian(for now), on the island of Ireland .I have many English,Welsh and Scottish friends...none of whom are racist...unlike you,Pieprzone Polaczki

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 20, 06, 09:18  #57

bubbleberry - do me a favour and DON`T buy any real estate here - we don`t certainly don`t need any people in Poland with your kind of atitude.

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  Jul 21, 06, 07:53  #58

Lef,

Reading your posts I have feeling that you are l a little ?- uncomfortable, jelaus about people buying property in Poland. I think it is good investment and prices will grow especially in places like Krakow, Warsaw , Gdansk. It is again location, location..... I live in England and probbably will stay here for a while ( my husband is English) but I want to buy flat in Krakow. I can always rent it out but I don't want to.I want to come here few times a year (in summer, winter), invite here my English friends. Now it is so easy and cheap ( return flight is about Lpound 80). After few years I can always sell it and buy something different. For now demand for property is very high in Krakow.

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  Jul 21, 06, 23:42  #59

Quoting: ola, Post #70
This is a complete nonsense, you have no idea about the real estate market in Warsaw/Kraków...

Thanks for the compliment? I haven't come down in the last shower, I don't doubt real estate has gone up in these two cities ( I must make a point by saying that Krakow is one of the best cities in the world, Warsaw (apart from Old town and ul Nowy Swiat) is a very ugly city. Prices of homes and apartments in both these cities is becoming out of the reach of many people living in Poland today. It is as I mentioned before heading in a unknown direction (it may increase/stablise or bottom out) time will tell:
The blue chip (best properties) have been bought out by the old communist guard, and overseas interest, And it is of no comfort to say poles have been robbed by multi national companies who shareholders are cigar smoking business people who operate from New York.
Every country where the United States has commerical interest it makes a lot of money, the United States never helps amy country unless its gets something back in return, it never defends another country unless it is in there strategic interest.
IThe changes in real estate has opened the doors to the banks, and now most average home buyers will be forced to take out a loan and be at the mercy of the banks.
I might add that the same process has taken place here (where the average loan is about $A250000

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lef
  Jul 21, 06, 23:51  #60

Quoting: guest-iwona, Post #82
Reading your posts I have feeling that you are l a little ?- uncomfortable, jelaus about people buying property in Poland. I think it is good investment and prices will grow especially in places like Krakow, Warsaw , Gdansk. It is again location, location


I would only wish all poles could return back home and purchase a property, that is not the question, the way people are talking in this forum, I wonder why any homes are being sold in Poland (as people should wait a few months and could double there money)
Lets all be clear that sought after properties in a good location will always fetch a good price and this means not all properties have hit the jackpot.
Krakow is a beautiful place and investment in that place will bring many rewards,
You unfortuately (fortunately for You) are married to a guy from UK, its a pretty big ask for him to resettle in poland.

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