Let`s just omit all of the trollish posts and continue the discussion from the point where it ended.
So let me remind you how the discussion looked like before it turned into a fest for trolles:
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glowa
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Jul 12 2006, 04:05 Quote .
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these are all quite difficult questions,
where? i'd say "aim at big city".
you can make money on buying and selling an appartment, the price growth at the moment is madness, so you might even win some in a very short time. with a house prety much the same.
buying an old city property and renovating it can be a difficult thing to do because of adaministrative/paper work that goes with it. if you want to do that, you might step in a pile of sh... I wouldn't go this way.
anyway buying an old property in an old neighbourhood might be a mistake from starters.
finance shouldn't be a problem, nowadays you get it very quickly, but make the choice of a bank very carefully
parking: a garage is always a good idea, for the car protection rather than finding a place to park.
anyway, take what I wrote with a distance, I don't have much experience with it myself.
I'm saying what I remember from my brother's experience with these things. He owns an appartement in Gdansk and now is building a house,
one more thing. if you plan to buy a property, hurry up. the prices in cities like Gdansk or Warsaw already reach the same level as in Brussels in the European Quartier - and that's expensive.
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Wujek_Dobra_Rada
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. Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada Jul 12 2006, 09:31 Quote .
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Why should you be scared ? Poland is a free country and here you can express all kinds of opinions - as long as they are based on facts - and that some people who want to undermine that rule as well as caouse problems aren`t being welcomed here is a different issue.
..You know here you aren`t being fined for comiting "thought crimes" and "speech crimes" like "homophobia" or "islamophobia" ..the media here aren`t using self censorship to hide varous events that are going on in our country.. ..the police here isn`t scared of being accused of being "racist".. ..noone here displaying the national flag in his own country can not be acused of "facism".. ..we also aren`t changing our history books to make our history fit into the politically correct sheme ..and noone here is affraid of nameing things by their real name ..unlike in some parts of Europe.
If you`re searching for a realestate offer - you`re going to find it here:
http://oferty.net/mieszkania/
http://www.mls.com.pl
or in any other MLS system - that one above contains offers only from a limited number of cities. Basicly every bigger city in Poland has an MLS system.
I agree with the anwsers given by glowa besides that, in the courent moment one of the best places to buy an appartment is Gdynia (it`s a part of 3City) cose it had been voted as the place to live in Poland - and when you`re asking about capital growth then the real estate prices are rising here very fast - ofcourse the best place for a real estate investment are the major cities as well as the Mazury region - however the prices are rising so fast that it would be advisable that you`d make your purchase as fast as possible.
From what country are you - if I may ask ?
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names
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Poles are following the herd. Prices of new homes between January and June 2006. The Pole's favorite saying: "You cannot look worse than your neighbour". IMO they are shooting themselves in their foot - in a few years only about 10% of the whole society will afford to buy a home... .
Property in Poland (Prices) - 01/06-06/06
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Wujek_Dobra_Rada
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Jul 13 2006, 02:10 Quote .
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Quoting: names, Post #15
Poles are following the herd. Prices of new homes between January and June 2006. The Pole's favorite saying: "You cannot look worse than your neighbour". IMO they are shooting themselves in their foot - in a few years only about 10% of the whole society will afford to buy a home... .
How about supply and demand ?
There are 123251 real estate offers in this service alone.
http://www.krn.pl/
If someone`s selling those real estates and is offering the prices his offering - then there has to be someone who`s buying them.. it`s really quite simple..
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bubbleberry
Jul 13 2006, 02:44 Quote .
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Guy I have read with intrest your various offerings with regards to buying property in Poland,
glowa...my own research shows that what you wrote is spot on...thank you.Rafik, Wujek_Dobra_Rada,lef ,and names...again thank you for you insightfull and often entertaining predictions.
Perhaps I can shed some light on the Polish property market myself.
I come from a city Called Belfast in Northern Ireland.For over 800 years this part of the world has suffered due to ongoing political violence...bombs,shootings,etc.
The majority of our young people moved to australia,america and the uk, and as such we had what was know as \"the brain drain\"..although even our uneducated found well paying jobs on building sites around europe.
20 years ago house prices were extremly low...an average belfast home cost around 2000 euros and the average wage was also pretty low.
Now the average belfast home costs around 200,000 euro and rising.
In dublin you cannot buy a property within ten miles of the city center for less than 1 million when even 10 years ago it would have been 100,000.
You have to also remember that Ireland was also a very poor country...house prices are rising and people are buying...everyone i know who owns a property here is trying to...or already has bought a second home.
Poland is simply experiencing the same thing as Ireland did before it joined the eu...what Belfast experienced before the troubles ended and what every country including the united kingdom and america experienced.
Your young people leave becaues the want a better life and more money.
In 10 years you will not recognise Poland because the massive amount of money the eu will inject will make huge differences.As poland has a high standard of education and a work force is cheao many,many companies will invest there because it is cheap for them to do so.
As Poland stats to shake off its old world communist image many ,many People will travell there as tourists which will bring so much money you will not believe.
The children that are born today will be raised in a different Poland to the one you know and when they come to the age when they want to study and work they will stay in Poland.
In ten years time alot of the Polish who are overseas will come home, they will want to start families, businesses, buy property etc
There are so many people buying property now in pooland because they have some surpluss cash and cannot afford property in their home countries...
but remember...if you stay to long wherever you are you to may find that like them you are priced out of your home property market.
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. Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada Jul 13 2006, 02:53 Quote .
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@bubbleberry
This is already hapening since 1997.
It`s since 1997 we`re getting all those really huge investments and our companies changed their strategies from a price-competetive approach to a quality-competetive approach. It`s since that time we`re reciving EU funds (though it`s only from this year that we can say that they are significant).
And when we`re talking about migration then it`s since the early 1990s that we`re seeing a large wave of comebacks cose it`s since that time the people who imigrated from here during the 1980s are returning back and setteling here.
It might take us a while untill we`re going to get as wealthy as Ireland - but we`re on that way qute fast for a country of our size - the situation here is developing so fast that with each year it`s difficoult for me, though I`m living here, to recognize my country.
This is part of Warsaw`s downtown now - from what you can see only the 3 skyscrapers on the right have existed 10 years ago:
And this is only the beginning.
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The anwsers for all of the idiotic questions and "opinions" is already contained in what has been said above.