Poland Property...should I be scared

That is why I would like to have 2 properties: in Poland and England. I don't want to move back to Poland now because of financial reason. We both have good jobs in England but coming back.....big unempoyment.Krakow is beautiful and full of charm - but there are less and less jobs there. I don't understand this tendencies to move big head-offices to Warsaw. Higher salaries to pay to employees, higher cost of office renting. Completely oppsite than in England where lots of big companies move their offices to the north as it is quite cheaper for them.

guest-iwona
Same with me. I've been telling myself - I'll come back to Poland and buy a house "next year". It's been 6 years now and I'm getting older so it's going to be more and more difficult to start a new life in Poland now. Maybe when I'm retired.. Maybe....

Augustyn,

Exactly the same with me.
I just want property- to come to Krakow few times a year. For summer holiday, sometimes Christmas... Unfortunately everything is just money, money.... (and ability to find job) Money doesn't make you happy but makes you feel secure.

I think only really well-off people are able to afford to have a second home just to visit it a few times a year. But that's true in all countries -- I don't think there are many people in the UK who can afford that. I feel it's better to focus on one place/country in order to achieve your goals - in the future when you're ready to move on and settle in Poland you should have enough money to do it. Remember - having a property both in the UK and Poland is costly (you'd have to have a person in Poland to take care of the house from time to time; you would be worried about possible robbery etc.).

It's like a long-term relationship - at first it's seems to be fairly easy but as time goes by you realize you have to make up your mind; otherwise, it would be too much stress to handle.

I concluded that if I have money it is much cheaper, stress-free, and more interesting to go to Poland from time to time and live in a good hotel. That way you choose in which area you stay and you are not bored with one, the same place again. When you are elder and you still want to move back to Poland, you just sell you home in the UK and are all set. In the meantime, you buy even better property in the UK so that whatever you sell in the future is worth even more than today .

It makes sense what you say. I still have mixed feeling about it.
I am in the stage now that or I can buy bigger house in England or flat in Poland.
I was thinking about small flat in new developments which are quite secured ( alarms, security guards). I suppose for me it is psychological reason I miss Poland our culture my friends that is why it is in my head that if I have house there it will be like part of me there.

You need to have finance in mind. IF you can afford to buy a flat for cash AND you don't have to pay morgage for the house in the UK, you may invest it in Poland. But if you still pay morgage for the house in England it wouldn't make much sense since you'd lose the money that way.

After you get married it will be easier for you .

I have spent alot of time looking into the Polish real estate markets...both myself and my Polish girlfriend have spent days and days looking at property and I have spoken with a number of people who invest in property,both here and overseas...

My conclusion is that the best property to buy is a 2 bed apartment in the old town of a nice city...they can build lots and lots of new developments but nice,good quality old apartments with character in a good area cannot be rebuilt...there is only a certain number that exist so your investment will always be safe.

As for paying for it....well the rental market downtown in these citys will always be strong and you can get a buy to let mortage !

oh by the way.....,

Wujek,lef and rafik....

why dont you guys buy an apartment together...you will only need a studio, with a small bed...

Well bubbleberry congratulations you have a sense of humor, I had a good laugh myself.

It goes to show we may disagree on issues but we can enjoy a laugh... well done:

Good luck in your property search in poland

Buying an apartment would be a problem - the deadly question would be -- in which country to buy it? LOL

I'm sure Wujek would be the first to leave Poland if he had the opportunity including going to Estonia

Today a drivers license is enough to "have the opportunity" to leave Poland. No special "visas" are required so don't see a problem here.

A drivers licence dosn't bring the "bacon home or is the icing on the cake" secure working condtions might.

why dont you guys buy an apartment together...you will only need a studio, with a small bed...

and computer, don't forget. I just don't know one or three computers?

Rafik pointed that out.....I did find it quite funny though.....Personally I would love to live in Poland beautiful place.

I get sick and tired of people of people throwing out these one liners, I would love to live in Poland or Poland is the best place on earth it may well be, why don't you practice what you preach.

Most poles living overseas (not you) after a belly load of grog become very sentimental and patriotic, when they sober up they have nothing good to say about Poland.

I take off my hat for those who have remained in Poland in good times and bad times buidling up Poland, those leaving to work overseas have not been fair to there fellow country men and add insult to injury when they return home with a bucket load of dollars.
This may offend the Indiangirl and the funny man from China but that is the truth.

you are saying it from the position of a man with a full belly.you live in the rich country where you do not need to think about how to make ends meet.saying that you not only offend the poles living abroad but others like irish , italians,germans,chinese ect who for centuries travelled all over the the world to change their fortunes.i can't see anything wrong with that.some people lets say in poland have their goals like lets say they want their children to be well educated or they want to move to a bigger house or like the atmosphere of certain country or want to try something else or.............there are plenty of reasons to leave your country lef.poland will survive i am sure of that.we may get some labour from countries like belarus or ukraine who are paid much less in their countries than in poland.after a few years abroad the poles WILL start coming back with their buckets of dollars-why do you think is something bad?anyway poles sent 4billion pounds to poland over the past 2 years and there is much more to come.
btw.are you originally from australia or your parents came over there from a different country?
and another question:if you think that poland is such a bad country to live in,there are so many drunks there,thieves,corruption and we have nothing to show off why do you come to our country overe and over again?
simple answer please

you are saying it from the position of a man with a full belly.you live in the rich country where you do not need to think about how to make ends meet.saying that you not only offend the poles living abroad but others like irish , italians,germans,chinese ect who for centuries travelled all over the the world to change their fortunes.i can't see anything wrong with that.some people lets say in poland have their goals like lets say they want their children to be well educated or they want to move to a bigger house or like the atmosphere of certain country or want to try something else or.............there are plenty of reasons to leave your country lef.poland will survive i am sure of that.we may get some labour from countries like belarus or ukraine who are paid much less in their countries than in poland.after a few years abroad the poles WILL start coming back with their buckets of dollars-why do you think is something bad?anyway poles sent 4billion pounds to poland over the past 2 years and there is much more to come.
btw.are you originally from australia or your parents came over there from a different country?
and another question:if you think that poland is such a bad country to live in,there are so many drunks there,thieves,corruption and we have nothing to show off why do you come to our country overe and over again?
simple answer please

you are saying it from the position of a man with a full belly.you live in the rich country where you do not need to think about how to make ends meet.saying that you not only offend the poles living abroad but others like irish , italians,germans,chinese ect who for centuries travelled all over the the world to change their fortunes.i can't see anything wrong with that.some people lets say in poland have their goals like lets say they want their children to be well educated or they want to move to a bigger house or like the atmosphere of certain country or want to try something else or.............there are plenty of reasons to leave your country lef.poland will survive i am sure of that.we may get some labour from countries like belarus or ukraine who are paid much less in their countries than in poland.after a few years abroad the poles WILL start coming back with their buckets of dollars-why do you think is something bad?anyway poles sent 4billion pounds to poland over the past 2 years and there is much more to come.
btw.are you originally from australia or your parents came over there from a different country?
and another question:if you think that poland is such a bad country to live in,there are so many drunks there,thieves,corruption and we have nothing to show off why do you come to our country overe and over again?
simple answer please

yes you are right shelley but within a year(with my qualifications) i will have a great chance of getting a well paid job in poland.as i said i haven't got the time to start again

Settle down...

Firstly Poland gve you the education, you have a obligation to return something in return.

What would happen to poland if all people living in poland packed there bags and decided to work overseas to make better money...(The current lack of doctors is one such example)

also, polish people pumping money back into the system dosn't help the average person living in Poland, quite the reverse, it causes a divisions between the haves and the haves not and in effect causes a class struggle..This type of money coming in tends to increase the price of goods and certainly real estate, which dosn't help the vast majority of polish people.

Why I return to Poland, sure, been there 10 times, well I believe in Poland and the Polsih people, I might add that poles have suffered a lot, especially the war and the terrible times under the communist system, I just feel that capitalism (american style) is no better than the communist system, at least under communism people had a job and had some income support, but under capitalism, who cares if you can speak your mind if you haven't a job etc.
If I am critcial in my comments, it dosn't mean one is anti polish, quite the reverse, there are more millionaires in poland today but more poles find the struggle harder today.

The poles were conned into entry into the E.U, under the guise that money will be given to poland to improve roads etc, remember you get nothing for nothing in this life and someone will benefit in the E U, but it will be very few poles only

It looks you'd like to retire in Poland, lef. I'm thinking about it too but as you said - I dislike the whole EU "idea" where the richest countries get the cream and countries like Poland will always be "worse citizens". Who's got the money shouldn't worry about that though.

true, it will not be 95% of the population

there is a lot to be taken from the eu.it is only up to us if we'll use.look at an example of previously poor countries like ireland or spain.on the other hand there is greece the most laid-back country in the eu which did nothing to improve their situation for the last 20 years

there always are people who struggle for various reasons:some because of lets say bad luck but others cos they are lazy,drunks,losers ect. if i give away my money and go back to poland with nothing it won't help them either but if i came back with money and pumped them to the system it would have made their situation better
come on lef you do not know what you are talking about.my dad was a supervisor/manager in so called PGR-fish farm.he used to get same money as lets say a cleaner-was it fair for someone with masters degree and a great responsibility?
with 4 children we were strugling to survive.i couldn't get anything:new clothes,toys,htere was nothing in shops absolutely nothing.the life was dull,very dull but now something has changed.we have OPPORTUNITY.it's only up to us if we want to take it
i will.i am going back to poland next year.

The EU is a "good idea" - the only problem with the EU is that it is being govern by the Euroleft as well as the French and the Germans.



We`re working on it.

just going back to the qualifications thing, since last year when Poland went into the EU, any Degrees / quals in Poland will be as good as the English equivalent. Would those coming over with the chance of a career and a posed to being stuck in jobs that are beneath their capabilities settle here or would they just stay for a few years and then go back?

this is purely an inocent question with no hidden agenda

poland, i think, joined the ue in 2004 but i could be wrong

bubbleberry
if you are looking for a warsaw loctaion i could try to help

it was May 2004, my mistake

is it that important?some people will stay some people will go back.i can say for myself but not for others.what i know is that not everyone who come over here will stay but how many will go back?who knows.
it is like asking how many english people who work and live in poland will go back to the uk or stay in poland.nobody can answer.