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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 13, 08, 12:17  #1

I would like to ask Poles, what they think- Are they ready for incoming Islamic assault? ...assault in any sense- terrorist, informative, spiritual, militarily....? Some would say that problem already escalated


as introduction to this thread, see this...

Europe vs. Radical Islam
Alarmist Americans have mostly bad advice for Europeans.

By Francis Fukuyama
Posted Monday, Feb. 27, 2006, at 6:27 AM ET
http://www.slate.com/id/2136964/

The riots that consumed the French suburbs last November, and now the uproar over the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, have underlined for all to see that the ongoing struggle with radical Islamism (aka the "war on terrorism") is if anything more of a problem for Europe than it is for America.

From Beneath You It Devours
The Coming Balkan Caliphate

http://www.antiwar.com/malic/?articleid=11874

The Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West
by Christopher Deliso, Praeger Security International, 2007


For almost two decades, events in the Balkans have been described in the West as a simple consequence of "greater Serbian nationalism," a phantom notion conjured to explain the complexities of a deeply conflicted region in the aftermath of the Cold War. Social, economic, ethnic and religious factors involved in the bloody breakup of Yugoslavia were routinely ignored, and in their stead propaganda about "genocidal fascism" and "butcher Milosevic" ruled the airwaves – and minds.



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EbonyandBathory
  Mar 13, 08, 12:25  #2

Fear mongering and blown smoke, if you ask me.


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celinski
  Mar 13, 08, 12:25  #3

How much is ever paid to Poland's people?

Belgium in $170m Holocaust payout

The Belgian government, along with several banks and insurance companies, are to pay a total of $170m to victims of the Holocaust and the Jewish community to compensate for the theft of possessions from Jews during World War Two.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/EXERES/88C9982C-6156-4A15-8BFA-D426248 1DE6D.htm


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Grzegorz_
  Mar 13, 08, 12:35  #4

celinski wrote:
How much is ever paid to Poland's people?


Actually Poland is the one to pay...

Crow wrote:
Are they ready for incoming Islamic assault?


We should start killing them If they attack us.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 13, 08, 12:55  #5

EbonyandBathory wrote:
Fear mongering and blown smoke, if you ask me.

hm, dangerous thinking ot yours, if you ask me and, naive

If you, 20 years ago, told to Serbs of Balkan that they after more then 350 years of struggle against Ottoman Turkish occupation need to face again the same problem, nobody wouldn`t believe to you and many would say- `blown smoke`.

But today, Turkish sphera of influence on Balkan is there again and first target are again Serbs. Unfortunately, European west collaborate with Turks, again- against our interests.

but, only Polish role and position changed. While Sobieski`s Poland pledged to liberate Balkan Slavs from Ottoman occupation, today`s Poland and Poles don`t even know for restoration of Turkish sphera of influence, that Islam comming. They even refuse to understand that, no matter that all reasonable facts support this scenario.

I think that Poles face enormous traumas because of fast changes in their strategic enviroment. Poles simple can’t understand that West does not exist anymore, that Russian Empire does not exist anymore, that so called west in fact force Islamization of Europe, that NATO ride with mujaheedines...

Poles simple faces menthal blockade because all they wanted (as all Slavs and Eastern Europeans) in last 60 years (minimum) was to be part of West. It seams that Poles feel that their dreams collapsing, same as their fears. Poles don`t understand, their informative media and jurnalism greately failed

Grzegorz_ wrote:
We should start killing them If they attack us.

but, they attacked you, attacking Serbs.

If somebody says that Serbs are something else, it would be same as he say that Poles from one part of Poland are different from Poles from other part of Poland. [no i don`t point on Pan-Slavic connections. Polish-Serbian relation is much deeper then that]

Grzegorz_ wrote:
Actually Poland is the one to pay...

Tusk and friends (fiends) again?


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EbonyandBathory
  Mar 13, 08, 13:07  #6

I feel Poles understand their historic struggle against Turk and Islamic expansion, Crow. Poland, afterall, was the bulwark of Christiandom, and many a time defended Christian Europe against the "barbaric Islamic invaders." However, the world no longer operates this way. The Ottoman Empire, like, as you say, the Russia Empire and the West is gone. The world has changed. Nations are in charge, not religions. Islam would prove no more a threat to Poland than did Judaism, a religion that was tolerated and enriched Polish culture. Call me naive, but the sooner we put down our guards and the assumptions and fears that colonize our minds the better off we'll all be.


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polishcanuck
  Mar 13, 08, 14:58  #7

Islam is coming, crow. Our women will soon dress like this:



The EU of the future:

youtube.com/watch?v=3_K8CL8HzFo

The good news is that this will probably not happen in my life time. But eventually it will happen. It's the most aggressive and fastest growing religion in the world.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 13, 08, 15:12  #8

polishcanuck wrote:
Islam is coming, crow. Our women will soon dress like

no, not Serbian brate, nor would Polish- and you know that!

Serbs paid for their freedom with blood. Flower of our nation died fighting against Turkish hordes and during Ottoman occupation.

Turks even used to build towers using heads of Serbs. Imagine that brate, real towers from human heads. They killed many of us but, they couldn`t brake Serbian Slavic spirit; spirit of Sarmatia. We proved eternal truth, that- oppresed can survive only thru resistance.



one of many examples...

Skull Tower: Skull Tower

Turks built this tower from the sculls of Serbs killed in the battle of Cegar, near Nis, in May 1809. It was done by order of Turkish pasha Hurshid, the brutal Turkish commander of the town of Nis at that time. Rectangular in its base, 3 meters high, Skull Tower was built out of 952 skulls as a warning to the Serbian people. In 1833, on his way back from Constatinople, French poet Alphonse de Lamartine stopped for a moment in front of Skull Tower. He was shocked at the sight of it and wrote down in his book, later published as his travel accounts Journey to the East, the famous words: "My eyes and my heart greeted the remains of those brave men whose cut off heads made the corner stone of the independence of their homeland. May the Serbs keep this monument! It will always teach their children the value of the independence of a people, showing them the real price their fathers had to pay for it." In 1892, a chapel was built over the skulls which now protects 58 skulls left. Skull Tower represents a unique monument of this kind in the world, and it faithfully depicts the true nature of the Turkish crimes against the Serbian people. text is taken from Nis Official Web site This is horrible. But if you ever come to Nis, you must see that!







see also...

Skull tower

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower

When Stevan Sinðeliæ saw that the Turks had taken over the trench, he ran to the powder cave, took out his gun and fired at the powder magazine. The explosion was so strong that all the surrounding was shaken, and the whole trench caught in a cloud of dense smoke. Stevan Sinðeliæ, who up to that moment had reached everywhere, helping and encouraging everybody, went into the air." Three thousands Serbian soldiers and more than double of that on the Turkish side were killed on Èegar Hill.


"My eyes and my heart greeted the remains of those brave men whose cut-off heads made the cornerstone of the independence of their homeland. May the Serbs keep this monument! It will always teach their children the value of the independence of a people, showing them the real price their fathers had to pay for it."

"Qu'ils laissent subsister ce monument! Il apprendra a leurs enfants ce que vaut l'independance d'un peuple, en leur montrant à quel prix leurs peres l'ont payée."

Alphonse de Lamartine, "Journey to the East", 1833



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bajka
  Mar 13, 08, 15:20  #9

articles of interest

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/08/we-need-slogans.html

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=33795&page=2

I'm a keen airsofter, in the UK for the next 2 weeks, airsofting believe it or not - and i have come across lots of anti musslim association, its brewing under wraps !

Novesk - stops jihad on contact


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Crnogorac
  Mar 13, 08, 15:31  #10

@Vrana

Take a look at this Poland is awakening ;) Kosovo is the rallying call that may wake up all those Euro-liberals who are currently living in their multi-kulti utopia.



EbonyandBathory wrote:
Fear mongering and blown smoke, if you ask me.


Yeah, sure, why not. I can imagine. CIA armed and trained Jihadists who thought they would win with NATO air support.


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joepilsudski
  Mar 13, 08, 15:33  #11

Islam in Europe is just a 'trojan horse' for Satanism/Zionism/Globalism...in other words, the aim of these people is to destroy Christendom in Europe...if you have rejected the Christian faith, you are done already...look at the Netherlands.

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Seanus
  Mar 13, 08, 15:40  #12

I agree with Ebony and Bathory, much ado about nothing. I don't anticipate any assault.


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Crow
  Mar 13, 08, 15:46  #13

Seanus wrote:
I don't anticipate any assault.

when monsters transform Church of your childhood into the mosque, you would understand


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Seanus
  Mar 13, 08, 16:00  #14

Nessie would never do that Crow


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Crow
  Mar 13, 08, 16:16  #15

Seanus wrote:
Nessie would never do that Crow

hope never dies, same as jokes


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Seanus
  Mar 13, 08, 16:24  #16

The Poles are ready judging by the number of khaki wearers here.


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shopgirl
Edited by: shopgirl  Mar 13, 08, 23:30  #17

I can't imagine US schools permitting the teaching of religion in a PUBLIC school. That's what PRIVATE schools are for, right?

What would happen if this were an article about Poland?
How would the Catholic majority react?

A government-sponsored Islam Conference aimed at fostering the integration of Germany's Muslims agreed to allow public schools to introduce religion classes on Islam in German.

URL


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JacekinLAnNY
  Mar 14, 08, 00:28  #18

I hope Poland and the rest of Europe is strong enough too keep these people out.
Our Easter Culture survived for so long because of isolation. I almost like it that way.
Look what happens in countries that allow unrestricted immigration and integration.
US has no culture. Just a bunch of whiners complaining about Holidays and celebrations that are not of their own. France is turning into a Ghetto...


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shopgirl
  Mar 14, 08, 00:48  #19

But isn't there any separation of church and state in Europe?
Is religion taught in all public schools?
How is that accomplished?
Shouldn't religion be taught by the family, not school?


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ShelleyS
Edited by: ShelleyS  Mar 14, 08, 05:42  #20

shopgirl wrote:
Is religion taught in all public schools?


Public schools are generally private, its state schools that the vast majority of kids attend in the UK.

Yes, religious studies is a compulsary subject in all catholic schools - 2 double lessons per week, same as Maths and English and they expect that you leave school with good grades in RE.

shopgirl wrote:
Shouldn't religion be taught by the family, not school?


Maybe, but since I went to a "catholic" school then religious stuidies is on the agenda.

Not sure about C of E schools in the UK, they used to have "Humanities" classes that covered religion...

But regarding the Islam asault, its highly probable that in the future that Polish people will see lots of Mosqs and head gear wearers looking down their nose at you...and areas in their neighbour hoods that are predominently asian...its happens slowly but one day you will wake up and hey presto, you have been overtaken..Best way to avoid it is to keep true to how Poland is at the moment with regards to values, morals and faith...look at the west and learn from that.... - oh and political correctness...its a dirty word, dont use it!


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celinski
Edited by: celinski  Mar 14, 08, 07:29  #21

Grzegorz_ wrote:
Actually Poland is the one to pay...


This is my point, they should have been the one recieving not giving. Over and over and over.

Trust Ukraine scholars. speaking of the truth?


Group,

Truth be told it was Polish that were the true victims here. Correct me
if I'm wrong but this was still Poland in 1941. Millions of Polish
taken from their homes in the night to cattle cars sending them to
Siberia to slave labor until they died, military killed on orders by
Stalin, and then in 1941 Ukraine SS (with help of Jewish) killing of
Polish families.

Carol

From artical:

"Just as Ukrainians suffered greatly on their native land, Jews have a
significant history of persecution here too."

Instead of over-relying on Russian scholarship, distorted by Soviet
nostalgia and post-Soviet nationalism, Jewish scholars should consider
Ukrainian scholarship, and that of other post-Soviet satellite states,
as a more reliable and objective record of events during those horrid
days.

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/editorial/28583/


Tell the Truth.

Carol


ENGLISH SUMMARY
of the work by
Wladyslaw Siemaszko and Ewa Siemaszko

GENOCIDE
COMMITTED BY UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS
ON THE POLISH POPULATION OF VOLHYNIA
DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945)

http://genocide007.webpark.pl/przedmowa_english.htm


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SeanBM
  Mar 14, 08, 07:52  #22

those bloody Icelanders coming over here taking our jobs, taking our women.

Oh, Islamic, I thought it said Icelandic, well same applies.

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z_darius
  Mar 14, 08, 08:13  #23

Crow wrote:
Is Poland ready for incoming Islamic assault?

Tricky question.
If Poland is not ready, i.e. it will succumb then Poland sucks and such.
If it is ready then it may be declared intolerant towards other cultures.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


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Przemas
  Mar 14, 08, 09:45  #24

No longer must Islam claim land by sword, its women’s wombs are much more proficient. The ongoing competition for souls is intensifying. With it once again will materialize conflict, pitting Europe versus Islam, as seen throughout history. In all certainty, we have evolved technologically, though consciously, we are but mere creatures of habit, willfully stagnant.

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Kilkline
  Mar 14, 08, 09:45  #25

Crow wrote:
If somebody says that Serbs are something else, it would be same as he say that Poles from one part of Poland are different from Poles from other part of Poland.


There is a distinction between Poles and Serbs as Poles dont use artillery on women and children queuing for bread.

Crow wrote:
when monsters transform Church of your childhood into the mosque, you would understand


Whats that coming over the hill, is it a Moslem, is it a Mosleeemm?


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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Mar 14, 08, 11:59  #26

Kilkline wrote:
There is a distinction between Poles and Serbs as Poles dont use artillery on women and children queuing for bread.


Not so long ago, as a target of Hitler's machinery found themselves concretely the Poles and the English. And how did they respond?

The difference between Poles and English is that the English destroyed every single German city they could reach and get their hands on - bombed, burnt and levelled them to the ground.

And who answered for this, ofcourse no one. In the center of London they raised a statue of the general who led the action on Dresden.

Now they have the right to bomb their enemy with all available means and the Serbs don't? Can you imagine.

Maybe the Serbs should ask the English to show them an instruction manual on how grenades should be used? Or some list where it is clearly written:

Liberation of Pristina 223 grenades totally
Liberation of Srebrenica 247 grenades totally
Liberation of Baghdad 3 million grenades daily

This kind of thesis an apprentice in every American court TV show could dispose of.

Kilkline wrote:
Whats that coming over the hill, is it a Moslem, is it a Mosleeemm?


Don't worry, if the Serbs have a terrorist threat they usually call "the doctor." ;)

JSO

Crvene Beretke (JSO) Jedinica za Specijalne Operacije



Instead of concerning yourself with the Serbs, you should rather concentrate on the fact that the metro bombings in London were carried out by homegrown British Muslims who were born and raised in Britain - tj. they didn't come from overseas. In other words the snake you nourished in your arms bit you right in the ar$e.

LOL maybe the Serbs will one day export their services in this regard abroad hahaha.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 14, 08, 12:37  #27

Kilkline wrote:
Whats that coming over the hill, is it a Moslem, is it a Mosleeemm?

i expected such or similar attack on me and Serbs in general, from someone here, because i don`t underestimate enormous investments in anti-Serbian propaganda in last 20 years

You Kilkline manipulate with people here playing on demonized image about Serbs in Polish public, perpetuated by BBC, CNN, ITN, DEUTSCHE WELLE, etc. false media. You are ready to convince Poles in Serbian responsibility for worse crimes, just to prevent me to speak and that people listen. You are ready to leave Poland vulnerable on obvious incoming Islamic threat, no matter that I thru examples of Serbian destine can warn Poles.


Among else, anti-Serbian propaganda was/is necesery to prevent that real news about events in former Yugoslavia reached public in other Slavic countries, Europe and world.

While target was Yugoslavia and then Serbia, old ``Turko-German zones`` of controls has been reastablished on Balkan thru their satelite states- Greter Croatia, Bosnian Muslim Caliphate and Greater Albania. Islamic influence was needed to secure strong anti-Russian force on Balkan (to hold Russia far from warm seas and key trade routes), which in the same time can reinforce German positions in the region. This scenario also was according to USA plans to encircle Russia. Also, because of this strategic scenario some of Polish officials and part of inteligentsia fall in trap, to be involved in actions against Serbs (beliving that they in fact deal with Russia), on the behalf of German, Islamic/Turkish, USA, British and Franch interests. Poland was manipulated and used in great anti-Slavic scheme. So, not only anti-Russian but exactly in real anti-Slavic scheme in general, with that anti-Polish, too. On the scene is just another `drang nach osten`.

Kilkline wrote:
There is a distinction between Poles and Serbs as Poles dont use artillery on women and children queuing for bread.

what`s your point?

this?...

Sarajevo Massacres
War in former Yugoslavia - Bosnia, Myth and Raelity

http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/myth/massacres.html

MYTH- The gruesome Sarajevo massacres were carried out by the Serb side.

REALITY- Few events have been such political turning points in this war as the three highly publicized and gruesome massacres of civilians in Sarajevo (Vase Miskina Street breadline in May '92, and the Markale marketplace in February ' 94 and August '95). Their political conseqences have been overwhelming: introduction of the total economic embargo on Serbia/Montenegro; total derailment of the Geneva peace process, and official introduction of NATO military involvement in the area; and, massive use of force against Serbian military and civilian targets, respectively. All avialable evidence by now shows that these were staged mass murders, carried out by the Muslim government against its own people, with at least tacit approval of some Western powers.

The Independent, August, 22, 1992, by Leonard Doyle
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/myth/articles/082292.Leonard _Doyle.html

United Nations officials and senior Western military officers believe some of the worst recent killings in Sarajevo, including the massacre of at least 16 people in a bread queue, were carried out by the city's mainly Muslim defenders - not Serb besiegers - as a propaganda ploy to win world sympathy and military intervention.

RUSES THAT PROMPT ATTACKS AS OLD A TRICK AS WAR ITSELF
DAVID H. HACKWORTH, Special correspondent

The Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale), Thursday, November 23, 1995
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/myth/articles/112395.David_H ackworth.html

Have the American people been tricked again? CIA spooks and several NATO officers plus a squad of U.N. ammo experts say so. All report that the mortar round that kicked off the NATO bombing was fired not by the Serbs, but by Bosnian Muslims.



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Zgubiony
  Mar 14, 08, 12:41  #28

Time to move on....



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Crnogorac
  Mar 14, 08, 13:43  #29

So Kilkline I hear Prince dirty Harry returned from his safari trip hunting down the Taliban. Any luck in liberating (the heroin poppy fields) in Afghanistan from the Afghans?


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celinski
  Mar 14, 08, 13:57  #30

polishcanuck wrote:
Our women will soon dress like this:



LOL nice shade of blue anyway.


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