Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

I don't think it is a good idea. Trabant is quite obsolete and new plastic techlologies appeared.
New investments in research are required. Old people's cars are old. New masterpieces are required.

Trabi in Africa is one of the examples that social need in low-cost exists and new research isn't in adecuate process.
Let us see Renault Nissan for USD 3000. In may be interesting but I doubt they will make the best model for this price bacause the research didn't attract billions of dollars.

In China they produce and use some very cheap General Motors mini vans.They cost about 5000$ but they are not allowed to export them to other countries.

That is not a serious approach. For serious one billions of dollars are required but the number may be more than some 200 million azll over the world.
For a really low-cost masterpiece many new know-how are required. The main challenge is unexpensive plastic body without painting. Its parts should be replaces without difficulties by owner. After accidents body should be rapaired quickly and cheeply. That influences in assurance.
Low cost should have such a construction that may permit it production even in very little plants without great investments. And so on.
That is very expensive.

Safety without expensive airbags also requires a new construction ob body. That is the reason why such cars as Trabi aren't convenient today - a shotr distance between the driver and front crystal.
Besides that Trabi was expensive in reparations. He had a duroplast body that mechanics found quite uneasy to repair. Reparations may cost the same as works with BMW.
New low-cost vehicle should in my opinion have tube body of sections user can substitute and plastic panels. That will make reparations less expensive and the car won't meet rush as it happened to another great ;ow-cosr Citroen 2CV.
Besides that plastic will take manufacturer away from painting. That is quite expensive at production as well as at reparations.

Low=cost isn't for Chinese car manufacturers. They can only copy western and Japanese models. New solution isn't still for them. Only Western and Japanese constructors can do that.
But many leading car manufacturers aren't interested in low-cost despite the graet number of future consumers.
Look: Car manufacturere receives some 3000 USD of profit from each BMW. From Dacia Logan gives as profit only 400 USD.
Low-cost for 2500 USD will give some 40 USD of pure profit. Besides that the equipment of their traditional plants in which they invested won't be useful for low-cost.
So only manufacturers of details and engines may be interested. The engine today is of some 10% of car price only. Nobody will save money producing a low-cost engine. So engine manufacturers will receive many new consumers if low-cost appeares. There are other interested manufacturers but they all depend now upon the interests of car manufacturers and don't want to have problems. And they can't attract billions of dollars for research.

Is it ok ? :)))

That occures when:

That cars will appear in EU if you conflict with Gasprom. They will come in such vehicles to solve conflicts. Be careful.

ok I have some interesting data, according partners size

data is from 2005 but we have made similar progres

Russia 140 mln people whole GDP (not per capita) 385.3 mld EUR (you have here : gas, petrol, industry, services just everthing)

Poland 38 mln people GDP is 243.4 mld EUR.

So all in all in Polish economy isnt much smaler than yours.

when we take GDP per capita (per person)

Russia GDP is about 2752,14 EUR
Poland GDP is about 6405,26 EUR



source: EUROSTAT

do you know what do we think when we see you sending space rockets, or building new strategic bombers, or missiles ...

Just take take our expirence ... and become more or less but democratic country, using free market. And just stop talking about "low cost" something ... whole world works every hour to produce cheaper and better products.

I suppose that the same thing as Russians hearing abour USA agression in Iraq and anti missil projects.
I can feel that

no my dear truhlei,

USA GDP is about 10037,1 mld EUR


... politely we think, yes they are spending they money on S*** they are to weak to use.

In quite an uncontroled state of 142 mln residents where the law is forest and a bear is justice? Don't be crazy. Europe could influence in Poland and you became better. Your posts show that by your own force it would be impossible.
You didn't oppose to my posts. You didn't notice weak points. You didn't try to make even a brief analysis.
You only want to show you are better but if it was your merit you would comment on my ideas with more professionalism.

That was my information I told you. You didn't mention anything concerning low-cost although you were the man describing prospects of EU. Before I mentioned low-cost you were admiring by western politics only.
When low-cost was mentioned you compared it with communism (Henry Ford and Levitt family are communists).
When this idea was shown as absurd, you immediately became sure the West is already inventing something.
First make your ideas clear and millions in Russia will follow you.

Sorry I thought you are for peace and military activities don't enthusiast you as it is in my case.
I didn't imagine you are admired that some GDP permits wasting money on military.

Sorry I didn't notice that

it was about Russia ... personaly i think that USA is doing the same S*** but they can use their power

What an anti-west totalitarian control! Stop talking about the real changes all over the world thanks to Western organization, industrial lewel, responsability. Yor are like Kim Il Sung. You want to stop any information about future Western great victory all over the world!
I'm sure it must be proclaimed everytime! The best Western asset in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Oh my god, western, eastern, totalitarism. I dont understand you. There is nothing like one western world. Europe tries to be one partner for USA. Japan is democratic as well. Ther isnt one western democratic world.

We were much poorer than you are now, without "low cost" cars or cottages

Sorry I don't mention in any case the West and Japan-Korea

i changed my previous post I hope you noticed

look esp. on 2nd quote

We all today need low-cost.
Russia with average salary of USD 500 as well as Poland that may be much more rich

average salary is about 2800 pln (data from this mounth) dolar costs about 2,6 pln so we earn about 1076 $ per mounth (without tax), but... but it doesnt mater.

truhlei EU, USA or Putin are not going to give you democracy, you have to go on the street and finght for that

Is that your idea?
Do you really think it is enough to go on the street? Without any militia, without total control over residential sector and places of work and business? Without any technology?
Lukasz, you don't read I wrote to you. Yuo don't comment on that. You don't reject.
The only thing you do is the repeating of thesis about popular protest and freedom. Only those who have organization can win.

Can you see the dates on Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria?

Another question:
Which are the slogans for protests in the street now? Your opinion...

There are constructive manifestations in Russia now. The majority of them are against construction of new buildings when residents think it can make their life less easy.
Today another type of street protests is developping. The protest against unjustified price on new technologies. In Province against internet high-cost because some local telefonic monopolists established high price on ASDL trafic. Such manifestations give results and price usually goes down in protesting cities. It will be down in all Russia soon but new motives for protest against prices on new technologies will appear. I'm sure.

As to Russian political opposition, well...
I'll show one of its slogans again:

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