Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Ha-ha-ha !!!! Stay in XIX cent my poor friend, we, russians are rise above the hate to poles or another nation. Hate is a fate of loosers.

No, it's just a verification!!!

But why do you need to feel this? Explain it to me? I really don't get it!!!!!!!

To sat "hordes" you must realize that Poland never was on the height of civilisation. And IMHO, when some poles talk about "russians are barbarians", you just want to cover up your own holes...

Even state authorities do. I was in the Tver region in Nilova Pustyn monastery where orthodox Church hierarchs sponsored a memorial for polish officers exterminated by Stalin.

P.S. We are so lucky in Russia: we don't have to hate someone else - those like Costya attract all negative fluids. I'll be damned!

Constantine....you just stated a contradiction:

and then.... "our hatred will be more sizzling" wtf?

re: Dont be so self-centred

- What do you mean by 'self-centered'? You mean that your suffering is more important? If yes, well, your suffering is your own affair; it's you who inflicted it on yourselves during your 'revolution' and later. But the Katyn, among others, is what you inflicted on us. We're not you, you know?

Well, and as for us, we would gladly forget about Russia's existence. It is you, actually, who remind us about you, whenever we try to do something on our own. You seem to still think we are part of your 'country.' But it's over and all the stars seem to indicate that it's so for good.

Why don't you screw off from us and stay where and who you are? We don't need you and don't want to know anything about you. Why not otyebitsya? (I'm talking here about Russia and Russians, not about participation in this forum.)
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Feeling what? Hate? I dont feel it !!! I just want to say, that we like our Polish brothers with some sort of perverted feel of love.

No one should be punished for speaking their mind.

Well thank you for your statement, Atilla. I don't want to go away from here thinking Russians are hate filled, miserable human beings. The ones that have I personally met are warm, kind people!

re: To sat "hordes" you must realize

- Thats how they have been called frequently in the English language. Would you accuse the English of lack of civilisation? And actually yes, Poles are very civlised people, in spite of our very negative image fabricated, among others, by you, Russkies, abroad.

re: No one should be punished for speaking their mind

- Yes, I agree. I went over the top. Which is also my free speech right to do. I haven't put her into prison, actually. And never would.

Cheers.
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Shopgal, I agree that Attila deserves thanks.

So then, are you saving it for me....since I am American? :(
You know, since that is what you have been taught to do?

No! We cant !!! We are your neighbours, so you are obliged to reckon with us ! Yes, you have an independent state, but remember the fact that it was russia which reesteblished Polish state in 1945 !!!

re: I just want to say, that we like our Polish brothers with some sort of perverted feel of love

- I suspect we feel something similar towards you - but without the desire to rule you, ever. I think we would feel more comfortable with you than with the Germans (although I wish we were on better terms with them - don't know if it'll ever happen).

Clinging to Imperialist dreams CK? Now who is in the wrong century? :)

There is no any contradictions at all, i say it only to recall that we are more powerful and have more resourses to pursue our goals, even it is hate

Sorry I thought I'd deleated the first quote, that came out all wrong, in a hurry to get to work and avoid the rain *failed miserably drip*

I meant Schopenhauer was a butthead. But there's soem group therapy in the book where a lot of anger and hatred gets spewed up, but people manage to resolve stuff in the process

re: it was russia which reesteblished Polish state in 1945 !!!

- Its nothing to be proud of. You screwed us for ages by forcing us to take in a chunk of Germany. Then durng communism you blackmailed us that if we don't stick with you, the Germans would invade us to grab their land back.

How many divisions you kept in East Germany, on the West German border?

Come on, Kostia, be honest about it.
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And what do you wish to do with this power?

re: hate is a fate of losers

- Only if it does one harm, that is, when it is not let go eventually.

Well, and human affairs show that Fate works in such a way that losers become winners, often without any effort on their part.

That's what the great Leo Tolstoy mentions somewhere, doesn't he?
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By the way, the Russians are incomparably less prejudiced towards us than the Germans. The Russians don't consider us inferior to them. That's something.

Maybe, but this one seems to want Poland back! :)

I think he didn't get enough hugs or something.....such a kranky one! :)

To hate Americans? Damn, no !!! We have a different education system than in the US...I was taught to hate an American imperialism not Americans. As to Poles, I remember that our history books drummed into our heads that Tadeush Kostusko was a hero not only for Poles but even for Russians and that Polish uprisings in XIX was a good acts... ravings of a madman...

You know, that's just not how it feels when I'm talking with you. Especially if the conversation is taking place in the US Missle Base thread! I think you'd be happier if the US (AND ALL THE PPL IN IT) was just wiped off the map. But I don't feel that way about Russia!

re: our history books drummed into our heads that Tadeush Kostusko was a hero not only for Poles but even for Russians and that Polish uprisings in XIX was a good acts... ravings of a madman...

- You mean Soviet history books depicted it so? Yes the Soviets depicted the tsars and tsarism (which they had overthrown) as oppressive to many nations. It was actually true, but did not prevent the Soviets from oppressing peoples even worse than the tsar had done. From the Soviet viewpoint, the Kosciuszko uprising aganst the Russian occupiers was good for both Poles and Russians. But from your viewpoint its 'ravings of a madman?'
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In your misfortunes, you must blame only you or exactly your ancestors. They lose the State only thanks to their swagger and lack of foresight! Not Russians but your own unruly gentry were true killers of independence.

re: Not Russians but your own unruly gentry

- Yep, our 'unruly gentry' partitioned Poland together with the Germans n the late 1700s and kept us off the map until 1918. :)

Is it what they taught you in your Soviet schools too?
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So, Russians were forced to interfere in Polish affairs to prevent consequences of polish giddiness. We never want your lands or your poor peasants, but we never want to face with the fact that this " treasures" will be in the hands of Germans

Giddiness! What giddiness? Speak English CK :)