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Lukasz
  Feb 11, 08, 15:53  #1411

paczka wrote:
LOL keep it up Lukasz, kepp us entertained


:) when I will see Russian NOKIA I will think more about you as world player ;)

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 11, 08, 17:19  #1412

Paczka, its clear the missles Russia is aiming at Poland is not to defend themselves. Those missles unlike Polands are not defensive. We both know Russias aim is to intimidate Poland and scare them from placing this shield. So don't dress this up as some sort of self defence.. good try though..

On a side note. If Russia wants to place some nukes aimed at Poland, I would support Poland building its own nukes pointing at Russia. Sh*t its only fair.

 
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paczka
  Feb 11, 08, 17:38  #1413

matthias wrote:
On a side note. If Russia wants to place some nukes aimed at Poland, I would support Poland building its own nukes pointing at Russia

If the humanity would follow the eye-for-eye principle we would all be blind(C)Gandhi

Lukasz wrote:
when I will see Russian NOKIA I will think more about you as world player ;)

I guess there are other Russian technologies you will become familiar with soon after the acceptance of the shield if you read the newssites ;)

 
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BubbaWoo
  Feb 11, 08, 17:44  #1414

he also said victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary

wise fellow despite only wearing a loincloth half the time

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 11, 08, 18:14  #1415

Paczka, tell that to Russia because its clear which country follows the eye for an eye approach.

 
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ConstantineK
  Feb 12, 08, 07:49  #1416

Lukasz wrote:
I think Russia should be more down to earth, you are important country, you are not super power. Russia is our neighbour and we should have contacts with your country.


Always thinking about us as a potential foe? Hemmm, no thanks...

 
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Dublinjohn
  Feb 12, 08, 09:10  #1417

I don't know about all you but I am glad Constantinek doesn't have his finger on the button

 
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Crow
  Feb 12, 08, 12:14  #1418

Why are you so negative guys? Think positive

Tell me. Is there anything nice that Poles and Russians accomplished together, in their history?

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 14:44  #1419

lol, now that I think about it I don't we think we ever accomplished anything together.... Im pretty happy about that......

 
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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 12, 08, 14:47  #1420

matthias wrote:
Im pretty happy about that

are you Polish?

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 14:49  #1421

Yeah Im Polish, are u?

 
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Filios1
  Feb 12, 08, 15:15  #1422

Crow wrote:
Is there anything nice that Poles and Russians accomplished together, in their history?


No.

 
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paczka
  Feb 12, 08, 15:19  #1423

Filios1 wrote:
No.

Agree.

Well, we kinda forced Nazis back into Germany in 1945, but again, it was only half of Poland supporting Soviets.

 
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Filios1
  Feb 12, 08, 15:22  #1424

paczka wrote:
Well, we kinda forced Nazis back into Germany in 1945, but again, it was only half of Poland supporting Soviets.


I would have really rather not had the dirty Russians stepping on Polish soil to accomplish that.. They should have gone around.

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 15:23  #1425

Much less than half, and those that did, it had more to do with hate for Germany then support for Russia..

 
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paczka
  Feb 12, 08, 16:31  #1426

matthias wrote:
Much less than half,

LOL nazis

 
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Miste
Edited by: Miste  Feb 12, 08, 16:45  #1427

Crow wrote:
Tell me. Is there anything nice that Poles and Russians accomplished together, in their history?


Poles and Russians togheter.
Pogroms.
Help for Vietnam
Pole created apparat of oppresion in Russia and KGB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Edmundovich_Dzerzhinsky
Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky (Polish: Feliks Dzierżyński, Russian: Феликс Эдмундович Дзержинский, Belarusian: Фелікс Эдмундавіч Дзяржынскі; September 11 [O.S. August 30] 1877 –July 20, 1926) was a Polish Communist revolutionary, famous as the founder of the Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka, later known by many names during the history of the Soviet Union. The agency became notorious for large-scale human rights abuses, including torture and mass summary executions, carried out during the Red Terror and the Russian Civil War

paczka wrote:
LOL nazis

they call you the same in 1939

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 16:48  #1428

Paszka are you just looking for some excitement.?? it is boring around here lately...

Nazis are the Germans who supported Hitler and to a lesser extent the Russians who signed an agreement with Hitler...

Poland didn't support Russia because Russians were invaders just like the Germans... except at the time of ww2, Russia was the lesser of two evils..... may add though that not by much...

 
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Miste
  Feb 12, 08, 16:51  #1429

matthias wrote:
Poland didn't support Russia because Russians were invaders just like the Germans... except at the time of ww2, Russia was the lesser of two evils..... may add though that not by much...


Not true at the end of war many Poles served in Red Army in war against nazists and there is nothing wrong about that.

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 16:55  #1430

What???lol once again Poles supported Russia because Nazis were the bigger threat.... Do you honestly think Poles would join red army if their were no Nazi threat?? please answer honestly

That statement is 100% true...... but its funny that you don't think that....

 
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Edited by: Miste  Feb 12, 08, 16:58  #1431

matthias wrote:
What???lol once again Poles supported Russia because Nazis were the bigger threat.... Do you honestly think Poles would join red army if their were no Nazi threat?? please answer honestly


Yes it is true,

I wanted to notice that it is not shame that you fought agaianst Nazis

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 17:00  #1432

aaaaaahhhh....

no thats definitely not a shame....

if anything is a shame its that Poland was not able to kick both there as*ses

 
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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 12, 08, 17:21  #1433

matthias wrote:
if anything is a shame its that Poland was not able to kick both there as*ses

don`t be deranged

Serbs managed to expel both- Nazis and Soviets and what we have from that. Those who invented and Nazis and Commies are here again to conquer us, to take our territory

Germany gave clear message to us- you are stupid to resist to us. Look how those who don`t resist profit. And, other Slavs confirmed that to us with their attitude.

Believe me, i feel stupid

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 17:35  #1434

Crow if Serbia was actually a significant country for Germany or Russia during WW2 to defeat.... then you would have been defeated.... If your saying that Serbia could have resisted a full onslaught from either Nazis or Soviets or both then it is you who is deranged....

Im not a big fan of Germany, however your view of Germany as still being some nazi machine is taking it to another level.....

Serbia does not have to join EU....its your choice?... also EU would have not been on your a*s over kosovo if serbia could have controlled themselves and not committied genocide.

 
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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 12, 08, 18:17  #1435

matthias wrote:
if serbia could have controlled themselves and not committied genocide

but, genocide and ethocid on Serbs happened, not by Serbs on others

Nor we started conflicts (ever in our history!), nor we committed genocide, crimes in last Civil War happed on all sides.

You choosing to believe that this whats happening isn`t Serbian punishment for resistance to Germany, no matter that all show exactly in that dirrection. But, its not even about Germany, its bigger. Just, Germany is sword of complete so called west in their mutual projects. It is clear

matthias wrote:
Crow if Serbia was actually a significant country for Germany or Russia during WW2 to defeat.... then you would have been defeated....

never underestimate human spirit

matthias wrote:
If your saying that Serbia could have resisted a full onslaught from Nazis

Serbs were onslaught cataclysmicaly in last 100 years

matthias wrote:
full onslaught from Soviets

Soviets retreated, probably to avoid to onslaught us

 
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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 12, 08, 18:39  #1436

there were terrorist attacks committed against Serbia.. Yes the muslims started the war, and yes Serbia had the right to defend itself but Serbia took self defence to the extreme when they decided to commit genocide...its k to kill terrorists even if sometimes civilians die by mistake.. however targeting all muslims is a different story... a few terrorists attacking serbia doesn't give serbia the green light to kill all muslims..

Listen, Germany and all of EU care about human rights in Kosovo.... its not to punish serbia per say its to create a safe haven for citizens of kosovo..

as for you dont overestimate the human spirit.
Serbia by itself would never defeat Russia no matter all the human spirit it has.

last 2 comments of yours, can you rephrase them so I know for sure what your trying to say..

 
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ConstantineK
  Feb 13, 08, 01:00  #1437

Filios1 wrote:
Crow wrote:
Is there anything nice that Poles and Russians accomplished together, in their history?

No.


Sure yes...We divided Poland together in XVIII

Dublinjohn wrote:
I don't know about all you but I am glad Constantinek doesn't have his finger on the button


Are you sure?

paczka wrote:
Well, we kinda forced Nazis back into Germany in 1945


You? Ha.....ha-ha......ha-ha-ha-ha....Are you joking?

 
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Dublinjohn
  Feb 13, 08, 04:12  #1438

ConstantineK wrote:
Are you sure?

Yes

ConstantineK wrote:
Always thinking about us as a potential foe

Who told you, you are paranoid??!!!???!!!???

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Feb 13, 08, 05:29  #1439

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fec0c678-d98f-11dc-bd4d-0000779fd2ac.html?nc lick_check=1


hjk

True, between 1999, the year before Mr Putin became president, and 2007, the Russian economy expanded by 69 per cent. But the economies of 11 of the 15 former republics of the Soviet Union expanded by more than Russia’s. Indeed, only Kyrgyzstan did markedly worse. A number of the former Soviet republics did, it is true, benefit from an oil and gas bonanza. But so, too, did Russia: its oil and gas exports jumped from $76bn in 1999 to $350bn last year. Even so, the Russian economy expanded by less than Ukraine’s.


Like all post-communist countries, Russia’s economy suffered a steep initial decline, which reached its trough in 1998. Countries that reformed more decisively, such as Poland, bottomed out more quickly and are now far ahead. Again, Russia’s recovery is in no way exceptional: tiny Estonia has done far better. Maybe this is why the Kremlin hates the Baltic state so much.


The west must again form a concerted policy: it must resist efforts to divide westerners against themselves; it must insure itself against over-dependence on Russian energy; and it must make the price of revanchism high for Russia itself. But it must also repeat a powerful truth: the west is no enemy of the Russian people. On the contrary, nothing would be more desirable than for a vibrant and self-confident Russian democracy to take its place in the world of western values. And, yes, that must include membership of Nato.


 
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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 13, 08, 07:07  #1440

matthias wrote:
Serbia took self defence to the extreme when they decided to commit genocide

man, THIS what you speak is what is TOLD to you, while facts are different. You are so politically correct

matthias wrote:
matthias

one simple question...

Do you support NATO alliance with mujaheedines against Serbs?

If you hesitate to answer (at least for the moment) you in fact have ultimate proof that you are victim of propaganda manipulations, that THEY convinced you that Serbs were/are that evil that NATO collaboration with mujaheedines was necessary for salvation of `democracy` and `human rights`

So, tell me, are you victim of media propaganda?

Down there where ends logic, beginning dictature


Freedom!

 
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