Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

heh, Lukas....PL never will be a normal country....Countries as people may have very different characters and PL represents hysterical type.

We are traditionaly democratic society read Polands history, in our history we were firghting for freedom of other nations. We don't want war we want to live in peace. We don't threat other countries we don't force other countries to do what we want. We are normal you are not normal. Ok you can be normal, you don't know other reality. Putin and his friends will never let you know how normal world think and live.

What does Russia represent?????

Agree. Well put, Lukasz.




I know you guys may not like it very much, but what Russia is representing now is... the energy sources. Mainly oil, but also natural gas, which is even more valuable in the future. Natural gas is extremely valuable in the age of the Global Warming, because it has low CO2 emissions. So to not to be intimidated by Russia in the future requires for Poland to become independent from natural gas and oil and start building nuclear energy plants TODAY.

Dice I agree, doesn't have to be exactly Nuclear Power but some form of alternative energy..... Or improved technology to burn coal with much less or no emmisions....(liquified coal).. in addition to diversifing its energy suppliers.

The good news is Poland knows what it needs to do and has for a long time....bad news is kind of difficult with some in the EU building closer energy ties with Russia..

It is not a question of democracy or tyrany, it's just an issue of national character. Unlike to you, Lukas, I an not trying to hide my racist views. Sure all nations is divided on capable and incapable, those who might and those who failed.
There was peculiar occurrence which had happened in XVIII cent. before Nothern war, perfectly characterising Polish pride and arrogance.

The Polish ambassador had started a fight with Russian amassador only over the place on congress, but being beaten he had started another fight with hungarian...and so on, and so on

Liquefied coal has extremely high levels of CO2. But they are working on CO2 sequestration. Unfortunately for now it does not look like a truly practical idea.
Germany went the way of renewable sources (wind, solar). France took the way of nuclear energy. Today Germany has to export it's energy from France, who has the cheapest energy in Europe.
And then there is ethanol in the USA - made out of garbage, should cost about $1/gal to produce.
In my opinion the nuclear is the way to go, but I may be wrong.

One thing is for sure - if we do nothing, Poland may as well start waving Russian flag and call itself "a new Russian republic" LOL

Your kidding. lol



Poland just stepped up to Putins threats. What does Putin do, threaten Ukraine. Putin better be careful or his missile may get put up his behind. Do you not see his behavior as aggressive?

lmao, not yet.......

Im not against Nuclear energy per say.... in a small country like Poland it can be an easy target in case of war.... only objection to nuclear power.... However chances of war are
slim to none

But theirs are good chances that a nuclear plant will be built in Lithuania and Poland might take part......

Like to mention many new alternative sources of energy are being developed... Russia better start diversifying their economy instead of relying on oil and gas..

aggresive? Where? When? Is this statement something the same as previous, that there is famine in Russia...




Not at all, always trying to hide it under hypocritical phrases as "I have nothing against russians, but I hate Russia as a state", something like this.....

I guess the same here, we don't have alot of Russians living in the USA to really knowthem that well. We have a Russian baker a few towns over and I tell you, he can bake. Russia as a place seems like they live under the same threats they have in there past.

Your right Constantine, their is no difference between Russians and the state...... so those who hate Russia unfortunately/fortunately hate Russians...... can you blame them??? you don't become liked by threatening with nuclear weapons...and...you don't become liked by using oil as a political tool.. you wanna be liked then act like a mature, civilized society.......

ConsatnineK is Putin :)
firstly threat and now behave like innocent angel :)

There are two types of Russians, Yeltsin and Putin/Stalin we don't need to go back to XVII century ;)



Famine ? no not famine shortage of food. Rich eat poor don't eat.

all right, we all know that Russians are sometimes sh** eaters, as all mortals (all right, even more, if you insist). That`s about Russia.

Now, dare to criticize USA. Speak me please about USA `missions`, etc. BS


brate matthias

I thought that you are more balanced. But, i see, you aren`t balanced, you are cubic

What gets me is the support Putin gets.



Did you see how quick Putin changed dealing with Poland when the decission was made on the shield?

crow, ill take that as a complement coming from you....... you must not have read my other posts about how US screwed Poland after ww2.

btw US response to terrorism wasn't perfect but much better then Serbia's...

It's that joint he's smoking. lol

Russia gets what Russia wants.

Deal reached in Ukraine gas row
The Presidents of Russia and Ukraine have announced a deal over gas, which will ensure supplies are not cut-off. Gazprom had given Ukraine just hours to reach an agreement, and a last-minute meeting between Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yushchenko appears to have helped seal the

Ukrainian possible NATO membership

But the gas bill is one sticky card removed from the deck. The Presidents admit they're walking on egg shells as some of the issues are very sensitive, such as the possibility Ukraine’s membership in NATO.


http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/20848

Celinski wrote :

It's that joint he's smoking. lol

lol, I didn't have a chance to lite up yet ........ if I did I would be more about peace and love... holding hands and singing about rainbows...

on a side note...... jeeze I had an avatar of a baby smoking a joint for one day and all of a sudden im the polish forum pothead.... : )

you know that it is forbidden to me to speak about Kosovo (former Yugoslavia), from Admin, in threads that aren`t exclusively dedicated to issue, so please don`t provoke

really? lol....... I didn't know.....

lets just leave it that Americas behavior though not perfect in some aspects..... overall Americas behavior is much better then Russias..... especially when related to how America treats Poland as compared to how Russia treats Poland...

yes imagine, in moment when mujahedine hordes together with USA, Germany, Britain, France, NATO, EU hurry to take Serbian Kosovo.


MUAHA MAUHA MAUHA MUAH

MAUAHA HAHA HA A HAH HAH

AHAHA GLALALA GLAGLA GLA

GLGLG BLBLBBLB BLB JKDSBJ

KRK KRK KRKR KRKR KRKRKRKR


hm, khm, hm, hm, well USA still have more money overall and Russia tend to have more money then USA soon. Does that mean that you would then found that Russia is much batter then USA, one day? Don`t complaint later why Serbs or Ukrainians getting more money from Russia, he, he ;)


well, in comparison with time of Sobieski, Poland today don`t have her own politics on Balkan but, listen this, helping USA to strengthen German-Turkish position.

and, yes- while it was Russia, Serbs were able to do something for Poland (consult Prince Chartorisky database) and i can inform you that USA don`t give a sh** what Serbs feel for Poland.

That how official Poland abandoned Serbs is just first price that Poland needed to pay in he foreign politics. Many bridges would need to be destroyed to satisfy greedy masters.

LOL you still did not get it - I am talking about Soviet Union! I am from USSR originally, so remember it, son ;)No country thinks about future - all of them follow theirs interests "USA dont have permanent friends or permanent enemies. We have got permanent interests"(C)Condolezza Rice

Last time the russian hackers from government sources were involved esstonian sites went down, yes? :P
LOL exactly. Even Bulgarian prime minister on the meeting with Putin the other week spoke in Russian and said that they see Russia as their greatest partner. They also joined one of the oil project (Serbia has joined too) and everyone is happy. Its only Poland who tryies to put sticks into wheels.

I mean Putin care about his private interest not about future of nation.

He still doesnt own a business, has less money than Moscow mayor, has 2 2-bedroom flats in Moscow and 2 cars - one of them being 1956 GAZ-21 and another - ZAZ-968 from the seventies.

Hemmm, what a difficult question, suppose it's a peculiar mixture of polish thoughtlessness and another sort, may be perseverance

Ummm I was thinking more along the lines of arrogance, weakness, stupidity, and immaturity.... oh yeah almost forgot a big joke...

poland thoughtless???? too bad Poland can't be as thoughtfull and generous as Russia... lol

Omigod!!!! Pashka!!! Are you Russian? Omigod!!!! Sorrry me for my "naezd"!!!!!

Call me sheltered, is Russia really like this artical say's?

31/01/2008 | Moscow News,№04 2008
Stervis: Service Moscow-style
> print version
It is only after having had my head bitten off at a London bus stop for simply humming an innocuous little tune that I realized how unusual such a show of plain unprovoked rudeness is in the West.

This is when the complete absurdity of the situation finally struck me. Where was the "customer is always right" attitude in all this?


http://mnweekly.ru/local/20080131/55306968.html


I found this interesting it seems Pres. Putin may not see verbal threats with missiles as being very important? Maybe with better communication skills Russia could go far.

In answer to a question by a reporter from Fox News on Russia's plans to aim nuclear missiles on Ukraine if it joins NATO:

"We actually don't intend to aim anything at anyone without the utmost necessity. Look what is happening. I think that there are certain colleagues in this room that will return to questions of democracy, freedom, and so on. Democracy is a universal concept, it cannot be local. In one place the principles of democracy change, in another place they are forgotten. If a country considers itself democratic, then in spirit and in meaning it should be such in all of its endeavors - both domestically and on the international arena.

http://mnweekly.ru/news/20080214/55310250.html

Is this the true reason? If yes then it's fantastic. It speaks to the magnitude of my mistrust in Russia's goals when settting up an office in Russia and reading up on case history would serve this purpose. Maybe it's due to lack of honesty and past lines drawn due to spy issues. Hopefully I am wrong and this will make for a closer relationship.

Russian Think Tank to Open in Paris, New York
"We're interested in questions of the rights and freedoms of citizens, security, migration problems, inter-ethnic issues and other issues," Kucherena said at a press conference in Moscow.

http://mnweekly.ru/news/20080131/55307114.html

I am from one of the former respublics, da :)