Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Well,we did win the lottery of life I suppose ;)

Everyone except Russians call him terrible, when in fact he was one of the greatest tsars in russian history.

Why am I not surprised...

Anyways its irrelevant, post 1123 answers your conclusion that Poland was the aggressor in the 1600s

Everyone knows Russia is capable of defending itself. No one questions that. The problem is that Russia does seek confrontation or makes confrontation out of thin air when no threats have been lobbed it's way. You alluded to Russia being like America in this way and you are exactly right. America recently (last 35) pretends like it must be the world's policeman and that every slight is a threat to its security, and it is one of the reasons the USA has suffered in World popularity lately. America has too often stuck it's big nose in other peoples business. But Russia has ALWAYS been this way. Making up threats that aren't there.

Actually, America has continued its policy - not begun. And, it isn't of public consent in the states, to start a war over nothing but ghosts and shadows. Just the bureaucrats, who thought they could manipulate the situation.

But then, I feel America and the othes abandoned Poland to Russia, so I suppose what I say doesn't matter.

That is atrocious, monstrous, despicable, shameful, and deeply regretful. I can not take any pride in that. Not that I can see or know about. Nonetheless, I mentioned that Russia's guilt towards Poland is evident, to an extent for the suppresions that took place with the partitions of Poland in 1772, 1793, 1795, and 1832, and to a greatly larger extent for the Katyn' in 1939-1940. Russia must apologize for that atrocity – officially.

I concur with Henry. Only then, can the healing officially begin.

Uniform means nothing. They were not on the parad. Main thing is military education, which Red Army was devoided in cotrast to Polish Army which consisted of expirienced wariors, not peasant as in RA

Russian Army were peasants? Where is this from, seems to me Poland had the same trainnning as Russian. I have a picture of a 12 year old great uncle as POW, wonder what his trainning was?

That should be great uncle.

Well this went well. LOL

"If there were a prize for the world's sulkiest state, it would surely go to Russia. "

The Kremlin has a simple explanation: America, it believes, has never given up its ambition to contain Russia. And the eastward expansion of the Nato alliance is designed to achieve that.

But Washington dismisses those claims as mere bluster, aimed at reasserting Russian control of an Eastern European empire it lost with the fall of the Soviet Union.





http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7252678.stm

We tolked about 1919 year, do you remember? Just in 1919 RA was totally peasant and it's full official name was Red Army of Peasants and Workers (Raboche-Krest'yanskaya Krasnaya Armiya). It should be pointed that in 1919 the tsarist's Army was abolished and its remnants were included in White Guard, which was against RA. In contrast, Polish Army almost totally comprised officers who were educated in Russian military high schools during tsarist's times when Poland was a part of Russia.

America and Russia need to stop tussling in the sandbox, and play nice. Both have lost power, and no one really cares much for the antics of the previous super powers - unless they both BEHAVE.

High School is still High School - not being trained in an Army.

It's no a question of Russian-American relations, though it is too complicated, but it's a local problem between Poland and Russia for the first place amongst Slavic nations and for the crown of the most civilized culture. I think we couldnt throw asander this topic. Take a look on the name of this discussion!

No duh! I was addressing what someone had said - topics meander, like regular conversations - in case you didn't notice. We're on page 52, so it's rather stretched out by now.

Last night on BBC I heard that Pres. Putin is going to join the west with santions on Iran, could Putin really be concerned for Poland? I couldn't believe this, here he give the Iran the means to make this threat and now he's made this statement. I had to wonder if Putin himself ran into difficulity working with Iran or is this a way for him to change the way Russia fits into the puzzle, any thoughts?

Sorry Mam but dont see any connection between Iran and Poland. Nobody is concerned about Poland. Just there is such small country, just a country, little country.

Was Iran not the country why Poland really needed the anti missile shield to be aimed toward? The connections are and have been there IMO.

Do you imply that Poland is less important than Iran?

Seems to me for a little country she is growing "Pretty Big and Strong". Please do not speak for others, the way I see it a super power is concerned about Poland. Need I say more.

Unfortunately I dont remember any words of Iranian governors which were addressed against poland itself.



Sure yes! Iran has an independant policy, in contrast Poland sleeps under US protection, though we can name it as protectorat.

And Iran is not getting anti missile from Russia?

Constantine, please stop being an idiot....... ... don't get angry at Poland for being so close to US. If Russia knew how to behave, Poland wouldn't need such a close relationship. Blame Russia not Poland.

Carol, Iran is not a threat to Poland.. they actually just signed an oil deal for 1 billion. However Russia is a threat that needs to be contained.... and might I add Poland and US are doing one he*l of a job so far....

Sooooo??? In full according with your words, this PRO is dedicated not for Iran but against Russia, so our fear is true!!! First, stop to lie that this system is only to protect europe from iran!!!



We are not angry, but it seems to us that Poland once again as previousely in its history made a gamble in wrong direction.



Sure not!

For US, Its probably against Iran and a small extent Russia.... For Poland its about Russia and who knows any other country that can turn into an enemy of Poland...... So what , are you telling me a country can't build defensive weapons.... My friend can you say defensive.... meaning only if we get attacked.... why would Russia be so angry with a weapon that will be used to protect Poland and not attack Russia? Does Russia want to keep the option open of attacking.....

I don't care if the shield is used to protect us from the Pope.... the shield is defensive and if your not planning on attacking, you have nothing to worry about.....

Also I don't recall Poland or US crying about Russias anti air defence systems....

Americans thanks to the political ignorance (lack of education) are still in war with Russia (I am not sue if Bushy boy knows that it not USSR now). While hey are basking in a feeling of dominance and of being the only superduper they not only want acknowledgement of this status from the previous (no longer existing adversary) but feel need to humiliate Russia. Like many empires it is the most aggressive and hostile during its waning days. World should be thankful that Iraq adventure is their last, to start the next they will have to gat a permission from Beijing.
What’s more important is how Poles can play this game. History teaches that treaties are not worth much. The specific geographical position will not allow to be separated from Russia (Russia is not going away). With Ukraine, Belarus we have similar traditions of hostility. EU offers degree of sustained protection. Building a strong military makes little sense, except as an American Foreign Legion, unless US wants to pay for it and there will be a voluntary force (to get rid of idiots who otherwise may be dangerous). Building a wall on the eastern border makes little economic sense. Similar language and culture may serve well in commerce. It seems that present US administration wants to surround Russia. The unreciprocated love for America by Poles may be the source of willingness to do US bidding regardless of self interest. The rational way to establish a strong position for Poland is to spend funds on education and infrastructure.

JaneKB doesn't realize(lack of education)that Russia is using Gasprom as political tool, is rolling back democracy, is responsible for cyber attack on Estonia, is threatening Poland with nukes for building DEFENSIVE weapons, has killed dissents on foreign soil, etc.....

Please educate yourself on what Russia is up to before you respond to this post...

Also educate yourself on China, its going to take them at least 50 years to catch up to the US.

PS the shield is in polands interest.... a package worth 20 billion, much more then Russia can offer... not to mention we are still trading with Russia regardless of our intention to base the shield...

JanekB wrote:

Building a strong military makes little sense........

wtf are you blabbering about...... why is Russia trying to build one then? do you know how naive you sound?....

according to your logic, lets just get rid of the entire Polish military then....lol while where at it the whole police force.... why need that.... or the fire department... no use for that either... we can save a lot of money....

Please use the link and read the full artical.



Polish defiance built on British intel
By Gordon Thomas Friday, February 29, 2008




http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2084

I am very pleased that Poland is using intel at her fingertips to protect her Dupa!