Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Lol..... dupa....

Poland's is willing to pay the political price to protect her dupa (hehe) and in the process the dupa of many countries in Europe....

Thank God for the intelligence of America and Poland in this matter....

I know Im a little immature laughing at dupa... its just such a funny word...

I know, but it's also the most appropriate word for the situation, after our mother Poland was bent over rather hard over the past century...ergo, Dupa!

Poland is making sure that she and her children aren't going to suffer like in the past, ever again!

JuliePotocka wrote:

after our mother Poland was bent over rather hard over the past century...ergo, Dupa!


You captured that in just the right way........

To be honest Im surprised by the fact that some people are complaining about this... Especially people/governements in the EU.... why should Poland's dupa have to be exposed, just because Russia can't accept the fact that Poland is a sovereign country....

at least Poland is doing what needs to be done...

Yes, big mother Poland is trying to take care of business in a preemptive sort of way. I am thankful that there will be a place for Poland's families and friends to visit for centuries to come!

Poland's not out of the woods yet... We might be safer militarily.. however Poland is not immune to the whims of the Kremlim.. We also need to diversify our energy supplies... and then we can celebrate..

Biofuels, Solar power, and perhaps like France: some Nuclear Power plants, to power the cities. France is one of the cleanest Nations, because of their use of Nuclear power, I was rather surprised by this.

I've known many people to spend the $1000 on their Diesel powered cars, and add a 'fish fry tank', lol. Now you smell french fries, or fish when they drive by (the discarded frying oil from restaurants. You can do a filtration system, to turn it into Biofuel).

All good solutions that it will take some time to implement. In the next 10 to 20 years, I think we will be fairly secure. In the mean time we need to be cautious.

http://www.dziennik.pl/dziennik/europa/article135514/Rosja_jest_dzis_b ardzo_slaba.html

I have great interview with Pipes about Russia - Poland - USA. Unfotunately only in Polish

I tell you what Pland-Russia is a never ending story on this website and its so boring and *****, everybody just goes round in cirlces, why not let it be now and get on with your lives either polish or ruski

Your slowely starting to annoy me. In case you didn't notice new issues continue to appear and it's worthwile to establish and discuss the direction the relationship between Russia and Poland is going. Like you were told before, feel free to skip over the thread.

There is no chance of being able to have a decent relationship with a communist state if you are yourself a democracy, maybe on an individual basis polish and ruski can get on but the nations, i doubt it. To much water under a very small bridge, thats why its important to try and move on.
Sorry if it pisses you of but its just another point of view

A decent relationship yes, a good relationship no. Move on? More like pretend that the situation is not as bad as it is and just ignore it. IMO it would be counter-productive not to discuss it.


In the end your right, but not very constructive.

Since participants here are mostly Americans, you were fed antirussian propaganda for generations. You are basking in conquering USSR and not realizing that it does not exist anymore.
Neither Poland nor Russia are not moving, we are neighbors and destined to live as such. It would be beneficial for both countries to be friends. Poles are tired of being heroes or Chrystusem Narodow (Christ of all nations).
Stop playing warlike video games and watching John Wayne movies. You guys are not famous for heroism or self sacrifice yourself.

Very strange... but I always thought that it had been almost 15 years between death of Ioann IV and Polish invasion.....

Yes,but his spirit continued to rule.

Well lets see Germany has paid for what they did in WW2, No if Russia takes responsability, accountability, compensation to the victims a trusting relationship can start, built on respect this time. Until this happens guess we'll be typing.

What do you mean? How do you compare fascist Germany and Communist Russia? What victims do you mean? Millions of Russians left to rot in camps or ousted (the "kulaks")? My family suffered from communists as well but my view on that is like let bygones be bygones. We actully even have a law which allow you to get compensation for bygone crimes (I'm not sure if it works though). So you're welcome to ask for indemnity. BTW do you ask "banderovci" for compensation as they made wreathes around trees out of murdered polish, russian and ukranian kids which they later called "alley (road to) of genuine Ukraine"? If not then it's reasonable to ask for it right now since there're lots of their followers in the West part of Ukraine at nowadays unlike to Russia where it's harder to find any obvious follower of stalin's concepts... They made up "sovereign democracy" instead... which can be even more harmful though. We'll see. Hope my People will be sensible enough to replace our current regime in the nearest future.

Germany has paid.Ha,ha,ha,ha.What exactly have they paid and who has paid more?West or East Germany?

This is true but still Russia is the political heir of the SU. Similarly current Polish state is the political heir of People's Republic of Poland and must pay debts from this period.



In Poland influential groups enforce policy I would call "Forgive the Germans, don't mention about Ukrainians and attack Russian government". This is linked with future shape of Europe that those people would wish to see. While Russian government additionally causing many reasons to give them opportunity to such attacks and using skillfully such situation in domestic policy in Russia.



May I ask what you would want to see instead of the current regime?

EU has requested "Russia" pay for compensation. Why should Poland have to pay for Stalin's crimes to the Polish families "Stalin" attacked and killed, removed from estates and sent to Siberia to slave until death. The only reason some got out was "Soviets" were attacked by "Nazi's" otherwise they were to be slaved to death. What about the families of "Katyn" victim's of "Stalin", and yes even "Russian" family members, that is any that had next of kin live to tell.

No, "Soviets" were not our allies, they used Polish when they needed help. All the while waiting to take over Poland. As they did in the end.

Could you provide a link to this story?

http://euobserver.com/9/26021

also see:

Should Russia pay compensation claims for the families "Stalin" removed?

So there is no common stance and those who openly admit to be leftist are not keen at all to touch this topic.

Russia should pay, also to its own citizens.

Sure. :) I may express my view on that yet I'm not sure you find my answer irrefragable. Nevertheless...
I don't generally care how Government call the system they build. Whether it's democracy in the US or totalitarism in Russia will always be polysemantic and questionable issues. And these are not the points. The points are that the law should work the same way for everybody regardless of his (her) wealth and political preference, there should be a good mechanism to fight against corruption, government shouldn't rally people round theories of hatred to other countries in the absence of self-improvement ideas, there should be free press and pluralism. These are the main problems of our current power. if we got rid of them, I'd probably be ok with the government.

OK, I understand your point. Just in this one case I would like to point out that there is no such reasonable "mechanism". If you want reduce corruption you must reduce state interventionism and what follow bureaucracy. Other way does not exist and as you can imagine politicians are not willing to reduce its own competences.

Russia was winner in the war.Winners do not pay compensations.Did you see US or UK paying compensations to victims of bombardments in german cities or US paying compensations to Japanese in Nagashaki and Hiroshima?

The SU won the war against which country?

Against Germany,Austria,Italy,Hungary,Finland,Croatia,Romania,Bulgaria.And Japan at the end.

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Nice article I think... These are guys (OUN-UPA, banderovci) who you really need to demand compensation from, don't you? Do you think polish government intentionally justifies UPA's crimes shifting all the blame to Russia for political reason(s)?
Please let me know your opinion dear friends.

Lesser, maybe that's close to what you mentioned by "influential groups".

Poland has also met with Ukraine and asked for them to say they are sorry. We are still waiting.

GENOCIDE COMMITTED BY UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS
ON THE POLISH POPULATION OF VOLHYNIA
DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945)


http://www-kresy.pl/wolyn/english.htm