Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ?

freedom of speech in Russia is a rarity. However, in this case for whatever reason Russia made the right choice. so it is a good sign. they need to build up on this and continue with these trust building measures. this should not be enough, its only the first step russia needs to take.

if you look from USA perspective yes you are right but we are not USA, Polish "real policy" looks much different ;-) I think that nommination to OSCAR is much more important.

Please explain to me Polish policy because anything less is a disgrace for the Polish nation. Its not like were asking for much, no money or any other form of compensation but only the truth. lol Yes oscar is great but not that great, but that's funny

This plus more, I am sorry but this is not the whole story. From the USA, we lost our country, homes, and family members. This whole truth will come out and the truth about your exiled families that did not run away, but were to be killed if they came back to communist Poland.

ok I see you are after the lecture of my post so I have changed it ... ;) thank you for orders matth ;) BTW history for most of Poles who live in Poland isn't most important issue.

to me its not important how poland does it, but it has to be done.

Sadek, you bring up the Nord Stream Pipeline in thought that because of some warmer Polish relations towards Russia, Russia is all of a sudden going to drop this project. To me that is faulty logic. The pipeline project might be delayed and the cost of it will surely be elevated, but in the end, it will come to fruition in my opinion. I was just curious why you are so adamant that it will not?

Russia is our neighbour and we have to talk to them ... and as you see without any concessions we achieved a lot just because we talked to them. USA talks to Russia. Croatia talks to Serbia. Japan talks to China. Vietnam talks to USA.

Katyń will be shown in Russia.

Russia is not against US shield in Poland

Embargo on Polish meat is over

Russians will promote Polish culture in their country

We will promote Russian in Poland

We will end veto on EU-Russia negotiations

yes Russians wanted to force some concessions but we said no and now Russians want to talk so lets talk.

as to Nord Stream Russians sends signals that maybe they would like to build it throught Poland not by sea ... lets talk. It is better to have this gas pipe in Poland get money for transit instead of buying Russian gas form Germans. they want to talk because Finland denied acces to their part of Balitc sea.

I guess its still premature to discuss the outcome of polish russian relations at this time, but it appears its heading in the right direction. Lets hope this continues.

BTW history is not most important to poles.

No one said it was there are much more urgent issues, however I mentioned it because this is the question of the thread I was answering.

I am very suspicious in this case ;) as many Poles but to this moment everything is ok. Russians after telling stories about their nukes started to be nice ... very strange.

I thinkit will be good idea to take this US shield ...

Sadek it is suspicious, I was thinking the same thing. However its still to early to see if the Russians are playing games or are sincere. curious what was said exactly between sikorski and his counterpart in Russia. I guess time will tell
for the record I support shield either way. better safe then sorry. who knows what threats poland will face in the future.

Maybe they ate some wild Russian shrooms.

Well, that’s a nice pipe dream you got there.

I think you a just do not know, that there is a monument in the center of Moscow, just infront of KGB building, the monument ad honorem of all who had los their lives in Stalin's camps. Did you know this? I think no! Moreover, it stands on the place of the previous Dzerzhinsky's monument.



Neverthless it's a question of money?

Yes that they keep saying they may put back up.

Under President Vladimir Putin, the pendulum has swung further toward the view of Stalin as a leader who deserves some measure of honor. Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and Russian President Boris Yeltsin both denounced Stalin, Yeltsin perhaps most vehemently in 1996 when Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov mounted a strong challenge for the presidency.

"It is so typical of Russians that people can get very upset when one person dies, but when millions die, they are indifferent," said Yakovlev, one of the leading figures behind the economic reforms of perestroika and now the head of a state commission to clear the names of those persecuted under communism. "This is thick skin, and I think this is scary. People do not seem to care whether we confront this chapter of our history or not."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={FCB5EEC6-C8A F-48EE-9368-5643748699E9}

[Putin has authorized the issuance of 500 special silver coins bearing Stalin's portrait and unveiled a plaque honoring Stalin for his military leadership. He told Polish reporters this year that though Stalin was a dictator, "it would be silly to ignore" the fact that he led the Soviet Union to victory in World War II.

quote=ConstantineK] Neverthless it's a question of money? [/quote]

You brought it up. This was a USSR and Communist Poland aggreement. What does that in itself say?

Blyat', opayt' oni, kto eto takie mificheskie oni?

Again "they", who is this...? I never hear that Putin had ever said that this monument should be demolished, and previous one should restored.

hehehh famous Polish nobel ;-) Russian hero ^ ^ Dzerzhinsky in Bielarus they pray to his monuments till today

I could go on and on with who they are, the last link that gives the numbers was from 2002.



Postage stamp
http://www.newswithviews.com/news_worthy/news_worthy38.htm

KGB headquarters to demand the restoration of a monument to its founder which jubilant crowds toppled in 1991.

http://www.bellybuttonwindow.com/1999/russia/iron_felix.html
As a poll demonstrates, the majority of those interviewed favor the idea of re-erecting the Dzerzhinsky monument in its former place (56%), and 14% disapprove. Public stands on this issue are strongly affected by socio-demographic characteristics. The greatest support is found among communist sympathizers, elderly people and primary school graduates, while university graduates and people with relatively high income levels (1500 rubles monthly per capita) are basically against it. Young respondents are more likely to be undecided on the issue.

http://bd.english.fom.ru/report/map/yakusheva/ed023828

as to money ... most of Polish people want histrical truth that is all

We live in the free country and each citizen have a right to proclamate his opinion.

2002?! But it's 2008 now, but the monument still not erected, may it's time to forget this rumours?

Not exactly, it is on the grass patch nearby, but you atill have got a valid point.

Can somebody help me out, whats it called or look like?

Carol,if you really think Stalin has been a Russian icon for years can you please explain why there is a city called Volgagrad?

And find out who built the city.

Silly me I looked for it. LOL I didn't think there was a need to lie.





I am glad some find this fun.

er,I think most people know what this city used to be called.....the gerries certainly wont forget it for a while...


well,ok,missing the point by a mile(sure your not a USAF bomber pilot?) Stalingrad was renamed Volgagrad because Stalin was seen for the evil sicko he was even by the Soviets. Its hardly lying to change an unacceptable name is it. Can you imagine a US city called Bennedict Arnold town? Me thinks it would have been renamed.....

I understood it was Pres. Putin that decided to bring back Stalin as a great military hero.Thanks for pointing out your point, it went right over my head.

It is common knowledge that comrade Stalin visits Putin when he sleeps.

Yeah, like The Time said in the last 2007 issue:
Stalin visit Putin and tells him:
- If you want to live prosperous and troubless, kill all democrats and paint the Kremlin blue.
- Why blue? - wonders Putin.
- Aha! I knew you would not complain about the first part of the task.


Solovetskiy kamen



There were many discussions to rename the city, people of the city welcome this idea, and 24 out of 25 people from the city's parliament were for renaming in 2003. It's former name is already restored on couple of war monuments.

I'll be honest,not a stalin fan myself,but,I agree,it should be renamed .Its name is linked forever with crushing the nazis.