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hello ♦ GOLD MEMBER
Edited by: hello  Oct 6, 07, 00:26  #1

"We are not happy with the current text, because elements we wanted are not in there," said a senior Polish diplomat, requesting anonymity. "We are not yet ready to approve this treaty in its current form."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/05/news/europe.php

I like the fact Polish diplomats start to realize hard negotiations are the key in dealing with the EU and other countries.

 
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plk123
  Oct 6, 07, 00:39  #2

poland will probably be the first country thrown out of the EU. polish negotiators seem as dyplomatic as GW.

 
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BubbaWoo
  Oct 6, 07, 02:08  #3

poland needs a new pair of boots

 
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Crow
  Oct 6, 07, 02:19  #4

There can be alternative to EU

 
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ukpolska
Edited by: ukpolska  Oct 6, 07, 03:32  #5

Quoting: hello
I like the fact Polish diplomats start to realize hard negotiations are the key in dealing with the EU and other countries.


You call making Poland look stupid "hard negotiations", how else can you regard their so-called "hard negotiations" when they are losing a point and suddenly out of desperation they bring out their trump card the second world war, and say that if the Germans hadn’t killed so many Poles, then they would have more votes ASTOUNDING !!! Even they admitted it was a desperate decision to use the war.

Poland needs to start working with the EU not fighting it on every stupid point. This government is turning Poland into the laughing stock of Europe and as soon as they are gone the better.
Quoting: Crow
There can be alternative to EU

Then in your pearls of wisdom what alterative is there to the EU?? I see just economic suicide if Poland left the EU.

 
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johan123
Edited by: johan123  Oct 6, 07, 04:30  #6

Bookmakers are offering 5-1 on PO AND 4-7 on PiS!

Jaroslaw the Great!

 
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ukpolska
  Oct 6, 07, 04:40  #7

Quoting: johan123
Bookmakers are offering 5-1 on PO AND 4-7 on PiS!

Hey johan123 do you think this will change now Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz has changed sides??
Quoting: johan123
Jaroslaw the Great!

lol please justify this !!!!

 
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johan123
  Oct 6, 07, 05:05  #8

Put money on PiS at 7-4! Understanding PiS requires a deeper understanding of Polish history. A History, which ultimately shapes the way JK feels towards Europe and Russia. JK's ability to read the overall mind-set of certain groups within Polish society is outstanding. Those groups, like it or not, feel the same way as JK and are willing to support PiS . The fact that KM has changed side will have little or no effect on the result. PiS will win the election with around 40%!

 
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  Oct 6, 07, 05:07  #9

Quoting: johan123
PiS will win the election with around 40%!

God I hope you are wrong :O)

 
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johan123
  Oct 6, 07, 05:12  #10

Quoting: ukpolska
God I hope you are wrong :O)


Look at the last poll results!

Na Prawo i Sprawiedliwość chce głosować 41 proc. wyborców – wynika z najnowszego sondażu Pentora przeprowadzonego na zlecenie "Wprost".
Rządzące obecnie ugrupowanie jeszcze nigdy nie miało tak dużego poparcia i w żadnym sondażu nie uzyskało tak dużej przewagi nad Platformą Obywatelską.

Z najnowszego badania Pentora dla "Wprost" wynika też, że PiS jest bliskie uzyskania poparcia wystarczającego do samodzielnych rządów. Z naszego sondażu wynika, że partia Jarosława Kaczyńskiego mogłaby dziś liczyć w Sejmie na aż 228 mandatów.

Ankietowanym zadano pytanie: "Na jaką partię zamierzasz głosować?".

41 proc. ankietowanych poparło PiS, 32 proc. - PO, a LiD - 16 proc. Inne partie uzyskały gorsze wyniki - PSL może liczyć na 4 proc. głosów, LPR i Samoobrona - po 2 proc.,a Partia Kobiet - 1 proc. PiS uzyskałby więc 228 mandatów, PO - 167, a LiD - 65.

Źródło: Pentor dla "Wprost".

 
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Lukasz
  Oct 6, 07, 05:13  #11

we have election campaing, EU leaders didnt want to change the date of signing the constitution (3 days before our elections) so they will have "hard core" negotiations...

I dont like the way of negotiation, and I think we could fight for more improtant things than Joanina, but I would like to see how UK would negociate EU treaty just 3 days before elections in UK.

 
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ukpolska
  Oct 6, 07, 05:18  #12

Quoting: johan123
A History, which ultimately shapes the way JK feels towards Europe and Russia.

You are 100% correct that this is history and nothing more.

It is high time that people started realising that Poland will NOT be great again, the same way as England does not have its Empire anymore.

The only way forward is with a united strong Europe, and I am afraid that Pizs are doing everything in Europe to destroy this, by trying to make Poland seem bigger and stronger than it actually is.
The way that Jaroslaw the Gay uses his ego on the world stage is so embarrassing.

 
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BubbaWoo
  Oct 6, 07, 05:26  #13

Quoting: Lukasz
but I would like to see how UK would negociate EU treaty just 3 days before elections in UK.


the amount of times ive sat down to sign a contract in poland just for the poles to start negotiating again... but thats poland for you... you never know whats going to happen till it happens and then the chances are it will change halfway thru

 
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johan123
  Oct 6, 07, 05:26  #14

Quoting: ukpolska
You are 100% correct that this is history and nothing more.

It is high time that people started realising that Poland will NOT be great again, the same way as England does not have its Empire anymore.

The only way forward is with a united strong Europe, and I am afraid that Pizs are doing everything in Europe to destroy this, by trying to make Poland seem bigger and stronger than it actually is.
The way that Jaroslaw the Gay uses his ego on the world stage is so embarrassing.


It's much more complicated than this! I have met and spoken to JK and all is not what meets the eye! I'll explain more later as I have to pop out.

 
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Grzegorz_
  Oct 6, 07, 05:33  #15

Screw EUnuchs ! Go Jaro !!!

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 6, 07, 05:35  #16

Ok I want strong EU with constitution, but why we have the end of negotiantions just before our elections. ???? I dont undestand it, EU liders wants to strenghten Kaczysnki or what .... It was more than sure that he will be anti Eropean in this time ehhhh

 
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Lukasz
  Oct 6, 07, 05:38  #17

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Screw EUnuchs ! Go Jaro !!!



Grzegorzs foto

dwqerdwef

 
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ukpolska
  Oct 6, 07, 05:43  #18

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Screw EUnuchs

This is a contradiction in terms isn’t it !!! :O)

 
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Grzegorz_
  Oct 6, 07, 05:44  #19

Wykształciuchu, could you explain us what's wrong with that guy ?

 
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Lukasz
  Oct 6, 07, 05:55  #20

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Wykształciuchu, could you explain us what's wrong with that guy ?



I just wanted to show the core of PiS electorate, and you know what is wrong with him, he doesnt use his brain, because he listens to much Radio M. As you do ...

 
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Grzegorz_
  Oct 6, 07, 06:10  #21

Quoting: Lukasz
I just wanted to show the core of PiS electorate, and you know what is wrong with him, he doesnt use his brain,


You know why your clowns will lose elections once again ? Because you people have no respect for others. "Wykształciuchy" with inferiority complex, who think that voting for PO make them a part of "elites".

You say that this old man doesn't use his brain ? What about your Tusk, who 2 years ago said that If PiS would win USD would cost 6PLN and unemployment rate would grow ? Dude is like Kononowicz.

 
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Lukasz
  Oct 6, 07, 06:18  #22

Quoting: Grzegorz_
What about your Tusk, who 2 years ago said that If PiS would win USD would cost 6PLN and unemployment rate would grow ?


I dont remember this statement, give me link to this information.

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Because you people have no respect for others. "Wykształciuchy" with inferiority complex


Do you remember wloszczowa, do you remember what Ziobro promised for young lawers (in this case I supported PiS in 100%) , and which privatization was checked (in my opinion not possible now) ??? What did they done for you in 2 years time. It is enought.

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 6, 07, 06:23  #23

And their EU policy,

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Screw EUnuchs ! Go Jaro !!!



Pffff what will hapen when EU project will be unseccesful, how do you see our future ????

Our relationships with Russia ??

I know you think that USA will help us. Forget, they are friends when they have business to do. (read some books about their policy in south america)

 
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Lukasz
  Oct 6, 07, 06:28  #24

oh I see you sit quiet again ... after 2 days you will write "GO JARO"

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 6, 07, 06:35  #25

and you cant travel to USA without visa and to EU you can, what is more you can work in half of the EU, and in USA ??? EU gives us money for develpoment and what about USA and their grate F-16 ? We should stick to EU not to USA.

 
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Grzegorz_
  Oct 6, 07, 08:58  #26

Quoting: Lukasz
I dont remember this statement, give me link to this information.


Here you have these bullsh*its mentioned. If you need more, go and find It.

http://igorjankepost.blog.onet.pl/2,ID60934259,index.html

http://www.bankier.pl/wiadomosci/article.html?article_id=1348585

Quoting: Lukasz
Do you remember wloszczowa


I will be very happy If we only have "scandals" like this one.

Quoting: Lukasz
do you remember what Ziobro promised for young lawers (in this case I supported PiS in 100%)


Yes I do. Unfortunately his propositions so far have been blocked by old pricks from Trybunal Konstytucyjny but don't worry, he will make It.

Quoting: Lukasz
Pffff what will hapen when EU project will be unseccesful, how do you see our future ????


Hello ! Anybody home ?? Independence... ?

Quoting: Lukasz
I know you think that USA will help us.


Of course not. Good Gerries will help us.

Quoting: Lukasz
and you cant travel to USA without visa and to EU you can


So ? Why the hell should I care about American visa policy ??

 
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Grzegorz_
  Oct 6, 07, 08:59  #27

Olejniczak is right for the first time :):)

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/wybory2007/1619061,news.html

 
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Edited by: Grzegorz_  Oct 6, 07, 09:00  #28

Quoting: Lukasz
oh I see you sit quiet again


What do you think ? That I am here 24/7 ?

 
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Edited by: Lukasz  Oct 6, 07, 11:18  #29

Quoting: Grzegorz_
I will be very happy If we only have "scandals" like this one.


I would be glad as well, do you remember other scandals, your new "elites: coming from pepole:

Corruption

wqewq

wqewferf


Quoting: Grzegorz_
Hello ! Anybody home ?? Independence... ?


The most independent country in all over the world is North Korea.

I want strong EU which will be partner of countries like USA, Russia, China ...

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Of course not. Good Gerries will help us.


Nobody will help us, It is our history, so I dont see the reason to help for USA, what are we doing in Iraq, we had good contacts with whole Arab world, and now we take part in war for Oil for USA. We shouldnt care about our alies they didnt care about us ... We should develope our country, use opportunity comin form being part of EU, and refotrm our coountry. Yes I agree we should fight for our position in EU but we should be more creative not destructive.

Quoting: Grzegorz_
So ? Why the hell should I care about American visa policy ??


It shows our grate frendship, Poles leave USA and go home to live here (life conditions !?!) , and they trate us like people from Afganistan, Czech dont have visa, Slowenia dont have visa, Poland have visa. F*** them, next time they should ask sb ealse for help. And their grate F-16 off-set....

as to EU constitution, how do you see Polands future after unsuccesful end of EU project ??? Our relationships with our grate Russian and German friends. Do you think they will be better?? EU IS IN OUR BUSINESS, POLITICALY, ECONOMICALY !!!

Countries like France, UK, Poland, Portugal, Ireland.cant be equal partners for countries like China, USA, Indie. We should cooprerate because rest of world will F*** us, and that is main idea of EU. EU is in business of all EU countries.

 
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plk123
  Oct 6, 07, 12:20  #30

Quoting: Lukasz
Nobody will help us, It is our history, so I dont see the reason to help for USA, what are we doing in Iraq, we had good contacts with whole Arab world, and now we take part in war for Oil for USA. We shouldnt care about our alies they didnt care about us ... We should develope our country, use opportunity comin form being part of EU, and refotrm our coountry. Yes I agree we should fight for our position in EU but we should be more creative not destructive.



i agree.. real independence is self sustenance.

 
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