Poland threatens to reject EU treaty

heare heare. Poland's image is slowly being tarnished by the unconditional love affair with Uncle Scam. And maybe the US is using Poland as its Trojan Horse within the EU, to keep the EU weak and fractured when need be?...

this article you provided says gasoline will cost 6 PLN, not the dollar. But gasoline will probably eventually cost 6PLN anyway, whether Tusk does anything about it or not...

Don't know if it's a mistake, but nice one ;)



Unfortunately, maybe true...it works anyway, such a mess in EU... ;)

LOL ! How do you think relations with Russia of this "strong EU" will look like ? At the beginning will probably pay from our taxes for the northern pipeline.

And relations inside of "strong EU" ? Like Schreder said a few years ago:

"Nie drażnijcie ofiary, która sama pcha się w nasze ręce. Zawierzcie mojej metodzie, ja wam dostarczę wschodnie landy tak, że dzisiejsi administratorzy, czyli Polacy, będą nam jeszcze wdzięczni, że zostali Europejczykami!”

Looks like in your case he was right.

now THATS a link to a quote I'd like to see...very interesting

I think USA is less and less popular in Poland, so in close future there will be more and more politicans who will share my opinion about our future.

I have read one analise about Poland being pro american ... and USA experts and EU experts knows that in longer time we will be like other EU societies. And USA is exploating Poland as much as they can because they know that soon we will react on their proposals like other EU countries. Now leaders of Germany and France seams to be pro USA (not their societies) so we will have some time to realize where are our pratners.

Why our society in some cases was so opened on USA ideas ? they smashed USSR and thats all. Last time they lost so much of their positive power ... it is enought to ask sb on the street about F-16, off-set, Iraq or visas.

where did you heard it? in Radio Maryja ?

Yep...

Yes it is problem, that germans are trying to do business with Russia on cost of Poland. And in this case I m 100 % agains this pipe line.

and maybe little surprise.

Kaczysnki wants EU army !! he isnt so anti Eropean as some can think.

Last time Spain have put the same proposal on the tabe.

Sarkozy wants to use France atomic wepons as EU wepons so EU army would have nice argument in their policy


We go in good direction

that sounds nice, but don't forget that Poland is famous for precisely that: politicians who specialize in doing exactly the opposit of what you want/need

why is that a good thing? they should get rid of the damn things if anything

ehhhh it is fact too :/ but we will see

I think EU should have some bombs, just to have it not use it. But this bomb it is only Sarko proposal... so we will see.

kool well maybe the UK can ask the Polish how to muck up negotiations and then do it themselves so we are thrown out of the EU, i think that would be an all round good thing for the UK :)

take them

And how much you think your "I'm 100% against" will be worth in "strong EU" ? Gerries have over twice bigger population and several times bigger economy. Some "Euro government" will obviosly care more about interests of Gerries or Frenchies than about ours, just like our governments care more about Warsaw than about some town in Mazury.

I saw It in TVN. Only once. Later It was hidden under a carpet because our "elites" were affraid that "pospólstwo" could change opinion about their beloved EU.

It's TRUE. I can not imagine anything more rude than murder great part of society of certain country and then to propose to make voting power proportional to population.
I would like to inform you, that UK REJECTED many points of Reform Treaty (collective foreign policy, Charter of Fundamental Rights, social security and tax laws), which are main documents Germans want to determine EU with, in line with their buisiness. Common law will forbid Poland of establishing such a law which is favourable for developing country (I mean low taxes, because common law includes an obligation to approve great social care to tye citizens, which we can't afford). Moreover, Hans Gert Poettering said openly, thet for the Germans Charter of Fundamental Rights is a way to rebuild their power in western Poland and, saying simply, kick Poles out of it. Why should we support that??

We should take care about our intersts, we will see in the future what will happen we have na old system (voting) till 2015 so to than Turkey and Ukraine will be knocking to EU doors. and we will see if France with 60 mln population or UK will agree to have the same power in EU as Ukraine/Turkey (author of article in "die welt" nototiced this fact as well)






You should norice that last time we have changed law (all political fractions supported this project) it was made calmly but it closes the case of german ex-nazists coming form western part of Poland, asking for some properties in our country. we have changed our "prawo uwłaszczeniowe" (AFFRANCHISE law). Now they can kiss our a s s.
And their organistaion noticed this fact and are really flustrated, what can be interesting they accused their own gov (german) and want some money from them... so they realized that it is not possible to F*** Poland so they are going to try to F*** their own gov. They are so furious, that Merkel has to go on sumit of this nazi F***ERS and we will see what she will tell them ...

What is funy, to this moment Germans were trying to pretend that this case is old strory and Poles are just dramatising, and now after closing the case by changing our law, they look so flustrated :) Now when problem of this properties looks solved we can start to cooperate :)

I call them nazist because on this teritories hitler was supported by about 80% of germans society, so they decided to start this war, and lost ...

... and this case isnt old case, just because Merkel (german chancelor) has to go to this old nazi bastards on summit and explain why they are not going to change the east border... maybe because they are really strong lobby with enormous money (all daimonts, gold, art stolen form Poles, Jews ... )

To Grzegorz and others It realy seams that Merkel cooperate in this case with our president, so we should be optimistic.

Global Leader Brings Exceptional Political Expertise
Washington, D.C. (October 4, 2007) – Aleksander Kwaśniewski, former president of Poland, joined APCO Worldwide's International Advisory Council (IAC), Margery Kraus, president and chief executive officer, announced today. Kwaśniewski guided Poland's transformation during the critical years following the fall of communism.

"President Kwaśniewski is the quintessential strategist statesman," Kraus said. "He brings deep understanding of contemporary politics and the challenges that face our global society. This unique perspective and expertise will add yet another level of insight to APCO's IAC and clients."

How can one of the leaders of a political party justify joining a global consultancy company!

I nicely said `There can be alternative to EU`. You see key words are `can be` because currently we don’t have other option.

But, if I can speak openly, I believe (people hire already know me) that some kind of Slavic Union can be alternative to EU in the future, maybe close, maybe far future but I believe that it is inevitable.


People of former Yugoslavia already are aware that destruction of Yugoslavia was mistake (economic reasons, fear because of advancing foreign culture- fear from assimilation). We were pushed in bloody Civil War because of courtiers which lead EU policy even today (I point directly on Germany, on the first place).

In the same time, I don’t want to say that Yugoslavia was perfect state and that only foreigners can be blamed but YU was creation of Slavic spirit. It was something ours, light in darkness after thousand years of slavery and misery of our kind. That was key reason why some powers decided to destroy her, to create negative example and destroying Yugoslavia in the same time destruct hope that Slavs aren’t capable to offer alternative to EU and USA.


In this moment we don’t have alternative. Two biggest Slavic powers – Russia and Poland are absolutely disoriented with strong mutual misunderstandings. Russia still in transition (we can only hope in direction of democratic state), Poland practically under occupation (it is questionable who is in worse situation- Poles or Serbs, honestly). Both, Poland and Russia strongly depend on EU (read Germany). Slavs are divided over religious lines, just escaped from communism, young democracies, economy in process of stabilization (as if), etc.

Yes, in this moment we don’t have alternative, unfortunately. But in agony and in fear for future of our children, we- Slavs would find the scent and we would seek to find ultimate shelter in formation of some kind of Slavic Union (alliance, confederation or federation).

Then, if God is upon us, nobody won’t rule us! Then we would be able to speak about independent foreign policy, preservation of our culture/civilization/languages, real progress in economy, true exploration of our great heritage, global economy and market, preparations for cosmic age, etc.

I wish luck to all of us, my Polish brothers and sisters.

Ok my Serb friend, maybe I dont agree with you lets say in some points ;)

but go watch game Serbia-Poland (even our hools dont like each other) and you will notice big flag on Polsh sector, there will be writen on it in serb language, sth about our support FOR SERBS IN KOSOVO.

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quote=randompal] that sounds nice, but don't forget that Poland is famous for precisely that: politicians who specialize in doing exactly the opposit of what you

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Randompal,I like your style,its interesting reading your comments !

Hi crow. I used to work with many Serbs and Macedonians and they were superb to the last man.Harder men are very rare and they can work as hard as anyone. From what I know about the' YUGO's' they are sure to suceed and they will more than deserve their sucess.As for your slav pact idea...
I've said for years that PL would have been better to have an EFTA type agreement with LT,SK,CZ e.t.c and then join the E.U later , when they were in a better position. They dont seem to like their neighbours though and certainly dont want be outperformed by them one day.Great idea but the world's not ready for that yet

come again?

Yes, I like to watch sport matches between Poland and Serbia, Russia – Serbia, etc; especially when girls/woman play. Parades of Slavic beauty and skills. It would be too pity if we Slavs aren’t capable to evolve and that way preserve our civilization. It would be too pity

Mark my words, my unknown friend, time will show that Racowie didn’t fail. Mark my words. If there were/are Slavs which shown resistance and respective level of immunity on religious divisions among Slavs those are bearers of Serbian name and so, those from Balkan, too.

... when you mentioned, I know for support from Polish sector. Slavs only need to face with truth in case with events in former Yugoslavia (now on Kosovo), about conquest and double standards of so called west ... and, when the moment come, expect to see unbelievable expressions of Slavic solidarity, when Slavs show what they think about mutilation of Serbs, all Yugoslavs (we all are victims of bloody schemes).

Polish soldiers on Kosovo and Metohija already knows that bests on Kosovo aren’t Serbs but Albanians (OK, let’s not generalize). Thousand blesses for those guys and for Ukrainian, Slovakian soldiers, too. Without them, Kosovo would already be absolutely ethnical cleansed from Serbs.

Kosovo is test for all Slavs, test for new `drang nach osten`. Then, will be Chechenia (Russia in general), German demends from Poland and Czeska, Austrian and Italian aspirations on Slovenia, Dalmatia and Slavonia, Hungarian pretensions on North of Serbia and South of Slovakia, etc.


PS Sorry (it’s my English), what you think with hools? You mean hooligans in short?


All right, why don`t you analize geopolitical Polish situation for us. Serbs at least know, with what they deal with. Poles don`t have informations. Not at all (as if) and, there is real danger that Germany (non-Slavs) just consume Poland when experiment EU collapsed. How you don`t see that we live in time of formation of global civilizations, new borders (real borders) just need to be drown. Hantington don`t see Poland as Slavic state but Poland as part of other civilization

BDW, Russian position is absolute abomination to me and deals between Russian and German states behind back of Poland. We Serbs expected more from Russia, not to mention direct support (not only BLA BLA) in case with Kosovo. Who rules Russia, question is now? Slavs or non-Slavs

hools => hooligans => football fanatics

Not football fanatics.
Violent thugs.

yes, i thought that but wasn`t 100% sure

Well, don`t worry for them. Those are hooligans and from them you can expect everything but, even they are selective in their targets i`m sure

... imagine German hooligans between Polish and Serbian hooligans during game, I mean that would be crazy sandwich of oblivion. He, he...