Poland torpedoes EU Day Against Death Penalty

You don't need to tel me.

I mentioned the sensible use of resources to show Zgubiony's argument


to be misplaced, when in the US, death row prisoners languish for years.

In the less civilised countries that still practise capital punishment, the waiting time is much lower,
but justice is even more thin on the ground in such places.

Is it true that the number of people who die of natural causes on death row is greater than those who are put to death.

lol,the one in norway isnt quite robinn island, more a sort of castaway ,ray mears wet dream.....but a start... How about the isle of man? nope,we done that as well before with the refugees from the austrian cpl...

I don't know the actual stats, W, but I would not be surprised if that were to be the case.

No argument there.

The issue of the death penalty will always be a hot one. The beyond reasonable doubt verdict is the closest you could ever get to sentencing someone to death without waiting a couple of decades for the deed to be done.

In most countries, those who advocate the return of capital punishment, do so as a smokescreen to engage public debate in something other than the real problems with law and order, such as the much smaller crimes that go unpunished.

It is so strange that those people who say "abortion is wrong, because only god has the law to take sb's life" at the same time suppoorts death penalty... It isnt logical at all.

And conversely, some people argue the precise opposite.

I m against death penalty, just because sometimes it happens to kill innocent person, and for those innocent one, we should spend our taxes to held those all killers in prison.

I'm not entirely for the death penalty either. I could never accept it unless a system was introduced where the evidence was rock solid and met certain criteria.

However, it's difficult to say that it's worth keeping people alive in prison when that's where they will eventually die (depending on country and length of sentence).

American death row info here.

I'm against, but only under certain circumstances.......
If it's worth keeping them alive then they need to make better use of them...and I don't count picking up trash as one of them ( not that we don't need it). That's a walk in the park.....they need to build their own island where they will rot ;)

Agreed. Local councils (or whatever is the same in US) can do this. They should be doing harder jobs, that I can't think of right at this moment! (brain kick in please).




Nice idea Mr Zzzz but still needs to be paid for... :)

This is moving on from live or die to more specific points about how to deal with convicts.

Prisoners should be made to do something more constructive.
Partly so they don't have such an easy time, but also
those who have never done anything useful in their lives
may actually get something out of it - some sort of work ethic. You never know.

PD, My job involves digging holes in the rain, in the cold, in snow even.
I get covered in mud in the winter, sunburnt in summer (if I'm lucky)
I have to lift things heavier than the health & safety legislation would accept,
and I'm not paid very much!

I wouldn't wish this on convicts.
It's far too much fun!

A counter-saying?: "Let he who is without sin..."
or "..turn the other cheek..."
Like such a saying can justify the slaying of a human, be it a disgusting example of a human or not?!

How have humans come to decide that we can take it into our own hands to choose if a person lives or not? A murderer...exacting upon him the same act he committed is sinking to his level, it's hypocrisy. On a massive level.

Those using religious grounds (sayings etc.) - do you remember the commanments at all? And are these not the foundations of our religion? I guess we'll find out in death (if anyone believes in afterlife) if it was correct or not. I would not risk it. Nor want to for that matter.


Wow, have you ever known anyone in prison before? We execute the power to restrict their freedom...and that is not enough - let's take away other basic rights they have as a human being! Am I saying rapists, murderers etc shold be defended...I'm revolted by such beings..but what right have I to devalue their entire existence? Who are we to decide? As a believer in God, I think only he has the 'dibs' on real judgment.

I'm not entirely happy with our prison system myself. But to say they have it easy compared to what it should be... Do you think that all prisoners should be treated with more loss of human rights, or just some, the worst? Would you have different punishments/levels of treatment for different offenders, or would a petty thief be treated with the same like as a rapist?

I think people cannot really imagine, unless they have been through it, how massive the restriction of freedom really is. And the forced company of other revolting beings around them 24/7. I think this is enough 'pnuishment' for some... but my belief is in rehabilition of most criminals, and not in their punishment at all. I have no easy solution as to how they can be properly rehabilitated myself... but I cannot think that nobody will have. Those with no hope of rehabilitation, no I do not think they should be released.

Back to capital punishment -it is taking his work into our own hands, acting like the divine, to think we can extinguish a fellow life, whether we find it worthy of existing or not.

I also agree for some this is giving them the 'easy way out'. Consider all those who have comitted suicide in prison to escape the reality of what they have done, or what they face because of it. I think the real evil offenders with no hope of rehabilition shoud be reminded to their last of what they have done, and the consequences, may they regret it (or at least hate what committing the offense has done to them) for the rest of their natural lives.

A life is not something I think we are able to take into our own hands. I thank God it was abolished.

"Serious errors" are found in 68% of convictions in people who get fried. Texas has a 73% reversal rate.
It always amazes me how people are up in arms about the Arab world beheading people while the US happily strap people into electric chairs.

In a word - yes.



Yes because they were thinking about the Human Rights of the people who they murdered/raped weren't they? No, I think not.



This is correct.



If they are willing to be rehabilitated. Some people are just criminals with no eye for being anything else.



So what else do we do with them?

Same here [me]. And never convicted of anything.

Another conundrum from Wroc.

You were/are a prison officer???

No. I worked in Maidstone Prison, Kent doing a renovation of the visitors room.

I could tell you a few stories about it, but not on the forum.

Ah, I went for the easy answer.



Perhaps another time ;)

I already said

And you think the restriction of their liberty was/is not enough. My answer is yes too. I think it is enough.

No they weren't. Yes sure why not, why don't we decide upon somebody elses life. Let's be as bad as them by restricting their human rights as they have done with someone else.

Hence "most"

I've already made my suggestion. I don't pretend I have all the answers to it, doesn't mean nobody else could.

I am quite against death penalty but is good to see that liberal PC crowd are not getting their ways all the time.

Difference is Sofi, they restricted their victims human rights and even maybe their life on a whim, a prisoner is sent to jail after being found 'guilty' in a court after a court case and dredging through evidence etc, and most probably a jury decision.



No I don't.

And restiction from freedom is a restriction on their life. It is not the end of it - but as some suicides amongst serious prisoners would suggest - it is worse. I'm not saying I think it is worse - just that I think -what new level of punishment can we sink to to inflict upon those we think/know deserve it?

it's here - you don't say which kind of prisoner (which type of offenders) you mean - or is this all of them?

is not enough. Don't get me started on the length of sentences either.



I don't have time to trawl news sites to find evidence of what I mean. I'm pointing out that prisoners seem to be able to do this - go to governer "can I have a Playstation" gov "no", prisoner is suddenly suing the system about breach of human rights.

I don't want evidence of what you have seen, I'm asking to whom does your opinion relate - all offenders or the worst (rapists, killers) i.e do you think that all are given too many rights or just those who have committed the worst of crimes?

Btw, I have heard of such cases you are referring to, this is not my question at all.

I have stated before that how the prison system is administrated
does not affect fundamental moral principles.
These principles should affect the administration of prisons.
It is a shame that they don't.

All.

Although the offenders of more serious crimes should have less rights than those who committed lesser crimes.

Right - Thanks

The death penalty is an abomination, that said, if I catch another oik scrumping my apples I shall beat him to death with a kitchen spoon and bury him under the patio