Poland turning into a religious state?

Yes, because they take decisions for ALL, and not only for Christian people.

not the church, and I am speaking about Canada, which is a country on many denominations and it would be unpractical to have the all of them dictate who to vote for.
I though we were speaking about Poland.


I don't think it is thier place at all, if that's the case/
then we are talking about 2 different groups then.

Happy Chanukah all of you chosen peoples

I would say rather that they take decisions for ALL.... except christians. :)

Polson,

From the French perspective where there is no freedom of expression anymore, things might look different, a communists might sound reliable. :)

Quoting: Polson

Quoting: El Gato
If 100 people at work want a company picnic, and the 101st bastard doesn't, how do you please both groups?

Let the 101st person stay home...you can't please everyone, nor should you try to.


So?

It's BS. No one says that. The thing is about making religion one of subjects people may CHOOSE on the final exam (matura) in high school.

No, they take decisions that not bother any religion (Christian, Islam, Buddhism, etc.)
They respect every point of view and not only the majority one :)



If it's a choice, then why not ?

:)

And when there is a conflict of interest between the majority and minority, what do they do? In regular democratic country the rule of majority would be applied. That's what democracy is all about.

We're talking about secular democracies. So decisions are not taken according to religious views but about people's and human's views, no matter where they come from or in what god they believe, that makes this democracy more fair. This kind of democracy tries to make everyone satisfied. Why should the majority be always happy, and the minority always forgotten ?
When there is a conflict, we try to discuss and find a solution, there are no losers in this kind of democracy :)

Hey dudes, take it from a Northern Irish person... you do NOT want religion in politics. It fu*ked us up to the point of killing each other in the name of religion and now we have terrorists in government!!!!

How screwed up is that???

Other than that, have a nice day :o)

Please, Catholic minority have nothing to say in France from many many years. How about current Spanish goverment? Let write it clearly, the goal of the left is to destroy Christianity, by more (slowly step by step) or less polite way (quick 'revolution'). Catholics should not behave like naive fools and lick the asses of "minorities" all the time.

please... How many religious people among them? Any? This conflict is not about religion anymore. Two groups don't like each other, that is all.

Christianity is basically a set of moral values. How come atheists are allowed to take decisions according to their set of values and Christians are not allowed to do the same? It sound like a clearly discrimination if you ask me.





Actually I will reverse the question. Why should the minority be happy and majority forgotten? It just doesn't make any sense for me. If the majority of citizens are atheists why should they be forced to think like Christians and vice versa?



How exactly was it a religious conflict? Did you kill yourself because you were believing in a different God? Or maybe you killed yourself because one religion allows women to be priests? Have you actually heard any disputes between two sides that have anything to do with religion? (sorry if it sounded rude - I’m just curious)

I know Lonely...but things are getting better in Northern Ireland, isn't it ? :) Killing each other for a difference of opinion is so...stone age like...

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What Christians in France want ?... Religion has nothing to do in politic anyway. If there are troubles, then they can do demonstrations in the streets (French are the best at it LoL) Politic can talk about religion but religion must be out of politic.



Noone's licking any asses. I can answer you by saying : minorities should not lick the asses of Christians all the time.

:)



Even among French politicians, there are Christians, but when they take decisions, they don't always put "God" or "Jesus" in their discussions. Politic aims at everyone, not only at a part of the population.
Islam or Buddhism or any other religion is basically a set of moral values too.



So for you, it's A or B. Why not A and B ? Why do you want to make a choice between Christians and other people. We have all the same rights, political decisions are for all.

You know this because you live in Northern Ireland obviously?

Yeah it is, in that there are less decent people killed now but the paramilitaries are still dishing out punishment beatings.

My family and I are left alone to get on with it so I can't complain I guess :o)

I really dont understand how in this day and age religion can be such a strong influence on people, maybe 200 years ago when people were not as inteligent or had fewer choices but in 2007, it beggers belief and how is making someone take religion going to help them get a good job? Life is a bout choices and I think an 18 year old can make up their own mind if they want to continue to study religion, it should not be forced.

just my 2p worth

Absolutely correct, Shelly. Freedom of choice is best for all in my book.

Yeah, exactly ;)

Polson,

What you propose is indeed equal rights according to atheist line. Why should majority of Christians allow minority of atheists always dictate conditions? This is the case, when French atheist run this country then they try marginalize the influence of Christianity as much as possible. While countries with Christian majority are told to do the same for sake of demands of atheist minority. What is outstanding is hypocrisy of so called "fighting atheists" (not all are such) whom often claim that other religions are discriminated. Obviously they don't care about other religions, neither those who represent these religions raise similar complaints.

Furthermore, you have false imagine of Polish politics, politicians don't talk about God or Jesus like you suggest. Those Christian simply support solutions only in agreement with Christian ethnic and have full right to do so, don't matter what some atheists say.



Religion in the UK is marginal factor. Few Poles went to the UK and some time ago I read British media claiming that already number of masses going Catholics is bigger than Anglicans.




Perhaps you are not as much intelligent as you think? Otherwise why would you claim that religion is supposed to provide somebody a good job?



In what country they are forced?

No, politic has no religion, that's all. Atheists are those who don't believe in God. Don't think that France is run by atheists, i don't think so. Sarkozy may be Christian. Chirac, before Sarko, might be too. The thing is that they didn't take decisions with the consent of the Church. It doesn't mean they didn't respect Christians, or didn't care about them.



They maybe don't talk about Jesus or God, but their decisions are totally in accordance with the Church way of thinking, and that's not the best for a country.
The Kaczynskis who are (or were) regular church goers are very influenced by the Church and rule the country according to what the Church wants and the Holy Bible says.

:)

Maybe in Poland, if the gov decides to make religion a compulsory A-Level subject...

Thats not going to be hard and probably more muslims going to the mosqe than catholics - what is your point?



read my post again, I said quite the opposite.



I would say compulsary is forced, no?

They are not, because they do not follow Christian ethic.



Christians should follow Christian ethnic (not atheist standards), this is obvious. The church is not a problem, politicians are.



Kaczynski are not so religious, they search voters among such people. For example what do you dislike in Bible? What have so negative influence on the state?



Somebody here already explained that this is not the case. Beside of that religion is also a knowledge and if atheists would know something about it then maybe they would not talk crap.




Hard, very funny... Most British whom declare to be Anglican doing this from nationalist/traditionalist reason not religious.



But you somehow blame religion for this.

You can be Christian and not being a regular church goers, you can be Christian and think on your own, you can be Christian and take fair decisions for all.



Then what would we do in France where there is a big Muslim minority ? There are also Jews and of course Christians. If decisions are taken in accordance to only one of these religions, then there might be some trouble...That's why a country needs fair decisions, for everyone to be concerned by them.



Jaroslaw before he became PM used to go to church every Sunday with his beloved mummy. That's a proof for me to say that he is a bit "religious".
The Bible is a good book, but are we obligated to make a world according to all what is said in it ?...
Negative influence...look at all the "religious" countries (no matter what religion) : they are not well developped, and not becoming because their religion slows down the whole country...Except for countries were the majority of the people is Protestant. They have not the same views about money.
I read one day a Polish person (don't remember if it was one of the Kaczki...but it was a politician), he said that he'd prefer a poor Poland but Christian, than a rich Poland but less Christian...a bit scary, isn't it ?

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sorry can you repeat that , I dont understand.



I was merely stating that forcing someone to study religion that will in no way help them with their careers is in turn going to have a knockon affect.

How is this relevant to what i said???? confused.com



hmmmm?

This is what Christians by the name only think but they are wrong. Different people differently understand what is fair. Christian ethic for sure don't take on target anybody.



You need to understand that egalitarianism so worshiped in France since 1789 lead your country to such problems. If the French people wont finally wake up and deport all of rioters that are unable to assimilate you will end badly... If immigrant settle in some country then he must accept local customs and that is all. In France of course you care how to not offend them. Ridiculous.



This is important what religion, because these are very different. Prosperity depends a lot from geographical location, climate. Catholicism clearly separate state from the church, so it cannot slow down anything. In Eastern Orthodox and Protestant countries state practically use the church to realization of state goals. Church is often goverment marionette.

An opinion of this one person is not common. Both aims are possible to archive and this is the best solution.

What blocks prosperity in Europe is socialism. The worst shitholes in Europe are Poland, Belarus, Moldova and France. So this have nothing to do with religion.

We have been welcoming immigrants for decades now, how could we send them "home" ? By the way, most of them live in very poor countries, and sometimes dangerous countries to live in. As all humans, they have the right to come here. You're talking about our customs. France is a secular (as Poland), then there is no state religion. Everyone is free to have his own religion as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. We respect immigrants and their customs, that's all, i find nothing ridiculous about this.



I really hope so :)