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Poland turning into a religious state?


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lesser
  Dec 11, 07, 07:59  #91

Quoting: Polson
We have been welcoming immigrants for decades now, how could we send them "home" ?


Simply those who failed to assimilate should be sent. Of course you need pay them some cash.

Quoting: Polson
By the way, most of them live in very poor countries, and sometimes dangerous countries to live in.


OK, so lets sacrifice France :)

Quoting: Polson
As all humans, they have the right to come here.

OMG, you leaned nothing from the mistakes of French immigration policy.

Quoting: Polson
France is a secular (as Poland), then there is no state religion. Everyone is free to have his own religion as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. We respect immigrants and their customs, that's all, i find nothing ridiculous about this.


Nothing ridiculous? How about constantly burning cars (constructional weakness?) and other attacks?


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ShelleyS
Edited by: ShelleyS  Dec 11, 07, 08:05  #92

Quoting: lesser
Nothing ridiculous? How about constantly burning cars (constructional weakness?) and other attacks?


How about france being a wonderful cultural place with an electric atmosphere....and every country has its riots...

Quoting: lesser
Simply those who failed to assimilate should be sent. Of course you need pay them some cash.


when you say assimilate - do you mean those that dont speak the language? dont eat the same food? dont have the same religion? prefer to live with "their own kind"? Sell their own food in their own shops?

Quoting: lesser
OK, so lets sacrifice France :)


Dont worry, Poland is in the EU now, you will get your fair share too :)

Quoting: lesser
OMG, you leaned nothing from the mistakes of French immigration policy.


Neither did England, but maybe we will work on it....


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Polson
  Dec 11, 07, 08:16  #93

Quoting: lesser
Simply those who failed to assimilate should be sent. Of course you need pay them some cash


We're talking about families, men, women and children, not about some meaningless dunnowhat :)
I don't think that some cash would replace safety and minimum comfort...

Quoting: lesser
OK, so lets sacrifice France :)


Immigration did a lot to French culture. There are not only bad points about immigration :)

Quoting: lesser
you leaned nothing from the mistakes of French immigration policy


I didn't say everything was perfect. Nothing's perfect. And what should i have learnt ?...

Quoting: lesser
Nothing ridiculous? How about constantly burning cars (constructional weakness?) and other attacks?


Haha, you're not living in France, do you ? :)
You're taking some idiots to generalize to all minorities. And by the way, among those idiots who burn cars (constantly is a bit strong for me), there are a lot of white French people.

:)


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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Dec 11, 07, 08:39  #94

Quoting: ShelleyS
How about france being a wonderful cultural place with an electric atmosphere....and every country has its riots...

Quoting: Polson
You're taking some idiots to generalize to all minorities. And by the way, among those idiots who burn cars (constantly is a bit strong for me), there are a lot of white French people.

Quoting: Polson
And what should i have learnt ?...

Not every and many even if they have then not caused by immigrants. Also I don't talk about all minorities but about those from outside of Latin civilizational circle. Several times I have seen report in TV describing such event in bigger cities suburbs. Native French, those who join this should be imprisoned but majority of immigrants should be deported.

Quoting: ShelleyS
when you say assimilate - do you mean those that dont speak the language? dont eat the same food? dont have the same religion? prefer to live with "their own kind"? Sell their own food in their own shops?


I mean those criminals.

Quoting: ShelleyS
Dont worry, Poland is in the EU now, you will get your fair share too :)


Fortunately they don't consider our country to be attractive. Our immigration policy also seems to be much more strict.

Quoting: Polson
Immigration did a lot to French culture. There are not only bad points about immigration :)

France at last started to win some medal in sport? :) Seriously, what Muslim immigration added to French culture?


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Polson
  Dec 11, 07, 09:46  #95

Quoting: lesser
Native French, those who join this should be imprisoned but majority of immigrants should be deported.


Native French don't join them, they are with the others from the beginning, and live in the same crap. That's why they act like asses, they live in f*cking suburbs.

Quoting: lesser
Fortunately they don't consider our country to be attractive. Our immigration policy also seems to be much more strict


Not yet, my friend, not yet ;)
Even if there are already some new "faces" in Poland...
Indians are coming to Poland, Ukrainians are already there and still coming...for Africans it's not the easiest country to reach, and Germany and France (for example) are still more attractive for them, but for how long ?... :)

Quoting: lesser
France at last started to win some medal in sport? :) Seriously, what Muslim immigration added to French culture?


A big part of our athletes are from immigration. In football, we are among the best in the world...even in tennis, we have some young black players who are quickly improving...and France has usually more medals than Poland...even in Winter Games which is a shame for a country such as Poland...i hope things are going to change :)
Muslim immigration gave the French culture new musical sounds, singers, actors, humorists, writers, and many others...

:)


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lesser
  Dec 11, 07, 11:24  #96

Quoting: Polson
Indians are coming to Poland, Ukrainians are already there and still coming...for Africans it's not the easiest country to reach, and Germany and France (for example) are still more attractive for them, but for how long ?... :)


Ukrainian immigration is OK, they have no problems to assimilate. What is more often they are just temporary workers like Poles in Britain. We just need to monitor what our politicians planing and of course leave the EU :)

Quoting: Polson
A big part of our athletes are from immigration. In football, we are among the best in the world...even in tennis, we have some young black players who are quickly improving...and France has usually more medals than Poland...even in Winter Games which is a shame for a country such as Poland...i hope things are going to change :)


Our team sports improved a lot recently, individual competitions otherwise. Our infrastructure is still backward. Bur we base on native Poles and not foreign legions :) About winter sports this is also true, however Poland never will be too strong. We have very small mountains in opposition to France and in the rest of our territory there is always a lack of snow.

Quoting: Polson
Muslim immigration gave the French culture new musical sounds, singers, actors, humorists, writers, and many others...


So you say that because of that, this was worth to bring all of them to France?


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Polson
  Dec 11, 07, 12:21  #97

Quoting: lesser
of course leave the EU


Hmm...and where will you get the money for the highroads and other constructions ?
Since 2004, most of Poles are happy to be in the EU, and Poland economy is in very good health.

Quoting: lesser
we base on native Poles and not foreign legions


Haha, most of French athletes of immigration descent were born in France. They are as "native" as other French.

Quoting: lesser
We have very small mountains in opposition to France and in the rest of our territory there is always a lack of snow.


I don't think that the problem comes from the lack of mountains, or snow. Germany has not a lot of mountains either. The same for Norway, Sweden and Finland. Even Czechs and Slovaks have more medals.
The problem is maybe the infrastructures, as you said, and also maybe a lack of trainors and people organizing these activities.
France doesn't have many more mountains than Poland, and at the same many, many more athletes (in great competitions).
Honesty, i hope that it's going to change, cause i think that Poland can rank much higher, a place they deserve :)

Quoting: lesser
So you say that because of that, this was worth to bring all of them to France?


They are not fruits or nuts, they are humans, we didn't bring them here, at least most of them. There are a lot of French in their countries, so they should come back to France too, and i'm pretty sure they don't want to.
Most of rich countries face some immigration, and especially cultural, historical places like France.

:)


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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Dec 11, 07, 13:36  #98

Quoting: Polson
I don't think that the problem comes from the lack of mountains, or snow.


Of course this is important. In Poland you wont organize nothing more like giant slalom, because we have only such ski tracks. (few anyway, full of tourists) Nobody agree to cut the forest to build more serious ski track. Lack of snow is very important issue as well. Also winter sports are not so popular among society.

Quoting: Polson
Germany has not a lot of mountains either. The same for Norway, Sweden and Finland.


Germans have larger mountains and the best infrastructure in the world. Norway, Sweden and Finland (except mountains) looks also better at this point and they have much more snow.

Quoting: Polson
Even Czechs and Slovaks have more medals.


They are not so good although better than we are. More and higher mountains, especially SVK. They are a lot better in hockey.

Quoting: Polson
France doesn't have many more mountains than Poland, and at the same many, many more athletes (in great competitions).


Don't compare Alps with our tiny part of Carpathian mountains.


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Polson
  Dec 11, 07, 13:48  #99

Quoting: lesser
Of course this is important. In Poland you wont organize nothing more like giant slalom, because we have only such ski tracks. (few anyway, full of tourists) Nobody agree to cut the forest to build more serious ski track


That's another problem...if people don't agree...

Quoting: lesser
Lack of snow is very important issue as well


In France, except in the moutains, we have less snow than in Poland, i can assure you. If i didn't spend last Christmas in Poland, i would have not seen snow for at least 2 years !...and that sucks cause i love snow :)

Quoting: lesser
Also winter sports are not so popular among society


That's a pity...That's because apart from Małysz, there are no big Polish winter stars...if Poles had better results, people would be much more interested :) You should advertise winter sports... :)

Quoting: lesser
Norway, Sweden and Finland (except mountains) looks also better at this point and they have much more snow.


So it's a problem of infrastructure...But i'm not sure that in the South of Sweden, there is more snow than in the North of Poland (or in Polish mountains).

Quoting: lesser
Don't compare Alps with our tiny part of Carpathian mountains


All the southern part of Poland, the border are moutains :) Not as high as the Alps, but as we can see with the Skandi Alps, it doesn't matter ;)

I'm going to have dinner, will be back after (except if i watch football on TV...)

:)


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szmata
  Dec 12, 07, 18:13  #100

Had religious experience on the dancefloor. I hope to have another one again sometime :)


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slick77
  Dec 12, 07, 18:18  #101

Quoting: szmata
szmata


Interesting username

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wot30
  Dec 14, 07, 12:11  #102

The same happened in Ukraine... the new government made religion a mandatory subject. There are probably some macro-political reasons for that. I think this is not a good development. It's interesting to know more about different religions, but this is usually not the intention of such specific courses to young children.

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