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Wroclaw Boy ♦ GOLD MEMBER
  May 17, 08, 11:02  #1

Just wondering if anybody has information on Polish nationals fighting along side the Nazis during WWII. I know that when the EU fortress was broken many a thousand captured troops claimed to be Polish.

Was this a trick to escape Nazi captivity or a cry for help? Or a race turned against their own country for financial and patriotic gain?

 
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Bratwurst Boy
  May 17, 08, 11:39  #2

Ethnic Poles or ethnic Germans/citizens of Poland?

 
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Wroclaw Boy ♦ GOLD MEMBER
  May 17, 08, 11:46  #3

Bratwurst Boy:
Ethnic Poles or ethnic Germans/citizens of Poland?

What ever BB, captured Nazis claiming Ohh im Polish. Shitting themsleves

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 11:47  #4

Do Brits have problems with their own history ?

Poland was only occupied country that haven't formed wafen SS units.

To be member of Wermaht you had to have "ethnic GERMAN" in your ID.

 
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Easy_Terran ♦ GOLD MEMBER
Edited by: Easy_Terran  May 17, 08, 12:50  #5

Lukasz:
Poland was only occupied country that haven't formed wafen SS units.

I believe there were two or three other nations that NEVER collaborated with the Nazis.

Fact is, the Poles, as a nation, NEVER EVER collaborated with the occupants, both Nazi and Soviets, apart from fuc****ing anti-Polish propaganda, mostly sprayed by the 'chosen' idiots.


why edited:
I pressed the ENTER key way too early.

 
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  May 17, 08, 14:00  #6

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Matyjasz
  May 17, 08, 14:00  #7

Wroclaw Boy:
Was this a trick to escape Nazi captivity or a cry for help? Or a race turned against their own country for financial and patriotic gain?



Maybe all the answers are correct?

My girlfriends family from her mother's side name was Besler. Part of that family decided to change their name to Bezler because they felt Polish while the rest kept the German spelling and felt definitely Deutsch. The result was that part of men in that family fought on the Polish side while the other part freely joined Wehrmaht.

My friends family comes from Silesia. The first thing The Germans did after they conquered polish part of Silesia was “cleaning” it from the unwanted element, which was generally people that took active part in Polish patriotic and paramilitary organizations. They had their lists with names prepared earlier by the schelbschutz or other Germn organizations and people that were on those lists where either expelled to General Government, put into prisons, concentration camps or simply shoot on sight. The rest were given the chance to sign the volksliste. My friends great-grandfather didn't wanted to be expelled to GG so he signed that list. Unfortunately, aside of the possibility to stay in his home town it also resulted in his sons being drafted to werhrmacht when the time was due. Later on they deserted when they had the first chance and fought the rest of the war on the side of Allies.

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 14:42  #8

Matyjasz:
My girlfriends family from her mother's side name was Besler. Part of that family decided to change their name to Bezler because they felt Polish while the rest kept the German spelling and felt definitely Deutsch.


we have little statue in Poznan of polonisated German imigrants.

bambr

it seems that some finaly prefered to be German ...

my friends surname is Bauer and they have choosen Polish side in WWII... good Poles and they could stay in Poland after WWII.

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 16:08  #9

I will add something about this Bambers who prefered to be Polish.

bamberki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambrzy

they still exist in Poland

Bambrzy (Poznańskie Bambry, German: Posener Bamberger) are the Poles of German origin, the descendants of Germans who moved from the area of Bamberg


The Polonisation of this group was a voluntary act and happened very quickly. The settlers refused to build their own churches, prayed with Poles, and their children learned the Polish language. There were also many mixed marriages with Poles living there. At the end of the 19th century, during the Kulturkampf period, all Catholics in villages inhabitated by Bambrzy chose Polish nationality during Prussian and German censuses. In the late 19th century, the meaning of the word "Bamber" (singular form) became wider - it started to denote all people living in those villages, regardless of their ethnic or cultural background.


Many of them were soldiers of the Polish army fighting in Great Poland Uprising. During the German occupation of Poland most of them, just as most Poles, were persecuted for their Polishness


What I want to say, some ethnic Germans decided to be Germans durring WWII and those who prefered to be Poles ... were Poles. and haven't been expeled after WWII. (I am not trying to prove that we are ... I am not Russian).

Just show Polish reality durring WWII, and that it was multicultural state and durring wars not everybody decideds to be loyal for host country. The fact is that some people were loyal.

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 17, 08, 16:18  #10

What about those people who became citizens of another state due border changes?

Should they just change their loyalty to the new country even if they feel belonging to the old country?
Remember that was a situation many Germans were in after the Treaty of Versailles came to pass.
I don't think you can judge these people according if they decided for or against Poland.

I mean Poles who stayed loyal to Poland during the partitions are seen as brave heroe, aren't they?
You should at least give the Germans who stayed loyal to Germany even as they found now themselves in the new Poland the same right!

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 16:37  #11

I just show reality and choices of people durring WWII. some native Germans prefered to be with Nazis even they were Polish citizens...

It wasn't our decision to change borders expele Poles from east and bring them to west. Ask Stalin why he did so ... most of Poles prefered to stay in Lwow.

btw Bratwurst I am after DNA tests...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I1

so your maps about nordic origin of this land (I remember some of your posts) are not worth ;)

I love Poland :) I love my Slavic brothers ! Germany suck ! Podolski sucks ! ;)

 
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Harry
  May 17, 08, 16:38  #12

Wroclaw Boy:
Just wondering if anybody has information on Polish nationals fighting along side the Nazis during WWII.

Here you go:
During the war 2,762,000[70] Polish citizens of German descent declared their loyalty to Germany by signing the Deutsche Volksliste. A German source lists the deaths of 108,000 Polish citizens serving in the German armed forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wwii_casualties

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 17, 08, 16:41  #13

Lukasz:
maps about nordic origin of this land


Nordic origin??
How can land have nordic origin???

You mean nordic tribes settling in this land, right?

Nordic

PS: That's what I have posted all along and it still stands....

(But we will soon see if Podolski sucks...) :)

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 16:52  #14

Bratwurst Boy:
(But we will soon see if Podolski sucks...) :)


we will see. Poland will beat you.

 
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Bratwurst Boy
  May 17, 08, 16:55  #15

Lukasz:
Poland will beat you.


The whole country??? Little 'ol Bratwurst??? Oh je...:(

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 16:58  #16

Bratwurst Boy:
The whole country??? Little 'ol Bratwurst??? Oh je...:(


you know I have been shocked by results of my DNA tests.

Germany has Podolski and Poland has me :)

we will beat you little BB ...

as to debates about this land ancient origin ... I think problem is solved.

 
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Bratwurst Boy
  May 17, 08, 17:03  #17

Lukasz:
I think problem is solved


What do you mean?

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 17:14  #18

Bratwurst Boy:
What do you mean?


historical debate about who was first here ... My family was first here ! ... that is my point.

btw maybe you should check it as well.

http://www.biogen.pl/Ustalanie_pochodzenia_genealogia_genetyczna/

they give very interesting results with nubers of closer and less close relatives who have made similar tests. Very interesting.

I wanted to be R1A ... unfortnately I am not. All in all I can annoy you. :)

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 17, 08, 17:17  #19

Which family was first where???

Sorry...but you were once fun to talk to now you are just nonsens, bye!

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  May 17, 08, 17:36  #20

bye and make your tests :P

 
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