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Patrycja19
Edited by: Patrycja19  Nov 5, 07, 11:25  #121

Quoting: Ranj
US has messed up majorly and we are not perfect.


no we arent, and we shouldnt feel bad for this, we didnt cause it..
and of course, our country doesnt behead people just because they
were caught cheating.. or cut of fingers cause its custom to do this when someone
steals.. or to behead in the name of allah. those innocent unarmed americans who
were helping iraqs were beheaded because why?
thats what ya do, go after the unarmed dudes.. the ones bringing the goods and food.
what a bunch of freaks.

we didnt send those troops over to kill the innocent, yes, there is stupid idiots
who let power get to them and they do stupid crap that deserves whatever karma
they put on themselfs.. and if they kill, I agree, take emm out. but the majority
are there only to do their job and get home,, no one wants to be there..

and everyone can agree, that our troops didnt cause the years of suffereing those
people went thru under saddam or any other lunatic that is ruled iraq over the centuries and was killing people left and right, they kill their own, they kill other
tribes of the same people *kurds* and WTF??? so we are all the sudden bad???

it would be much easier to just send a atom bomb over and get it all over with
in one swift boom, but of course someone thought, wow there is life forms over
there so we have to be strategic and try to not harm , unfortunatly some did, so
let the FeKtwats stay there and be judged,, if they want to be so brave to kill
babies and women and in my book are no better then the stupid Al-queda dorks..


Ps.. I dont think Poles or anyone should be in Iraq. let emm all fight among themselfs.
and those who dont want to be there, immigrate to a better country.
and like lonestranger said once, we (Americans) should protect our own borders.
that was the best post I ever seen.

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szkotja2007
  Nov 5, 07, 12:14  #122

Quoting: JohnP
to accuse a people of being bent on murder, rape, torture and (apparently) incapable of human good, (you went far beyond simple disagreement on the war)

I haven't accused the American people of this, just pointing out that these things have happened in Iraq. Again, why say someone who criticises these things has a hatred for Americans ?
Quoting: JohnP
statements being made have no possible way of being substantiated, but are produced as if they are absolute fact.

They came from the White House !!!

I dont think that any amount of reconstruction work will ever compensate for the amount of innocent lives written off as collateral - how many was there ? Who was counting.

I think the story of whitewashing the walls of blood provides the perfect analogy.

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plk123
  Nov 5, 07, 12:52  #123

Quoting: Ranj
If you will take note:

i did but you seem to still be arguing that everything is A-O-K.. and it isn't.

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plk123
  Nov 5, 07, 12:59  #124

Quoting: Patrycja19
no we arent, and we shouldnt feel bad for this, we didnt cause it..

yes we did.. we attacked a once sovereign country without any provocation.. we destroyed their infrastructure. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, had no WMDs, didn't ask us for freedom.... they are basically in a difensive mode.. would you like them to bring us thier brand of freedoms? what makes us better or our system better? we have no right to tell them how to live their lives.
Quoting: Patrycja19
those who dont want to be there, immigrate to a better country.

too bad that the country that made the mess there isn't opening itself to these poor folk who wish to make a better life for themselves.

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plk123
  Nov 5, 07, 13:00  #125

Quoting: szkotja2007
I haven't accused the American people of this, just pointing out that these things have happened in Iraq. Again, why say someone who criticises these things has a hatred for Americans ?

beacuse that's the american way.. you MAY NOT disagree. freedom my butt.

and this reconstruction BS.. we wouldn't have to if we didn't blow the crap out of the place.

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Patrycja19
  Nov 5, 07, 13:09  #126

Quoting: plk123
we attacked a once sovereign country without any provocation..


that was killing its own people and threatening the usa long time ago with
bombs of mass destruction, dont cry wolf and expect no one to come check your room.

and that can be possible because the united states isnt the only one selling our
arms to unstable countries.. course we get all the blame.. because apparently no
other countries exist.. just america.. the bad.. booooooooo..

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Patrycja19
  Nov 5, 07, 13:11  #127

Quoting: plk123
freedom my butt.


your butts free.. hold up everyone, we have free butt in the house.. lol

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plk123
  Nov 5, 07, 13:13  #128

Quoting: Patrycja19
that was killing its own people and threatening the usa long time ago with
bombs of mass destruction,

are you sure you have the right country?

rummy

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Patrycja19
Edited by: Patrycja19  Nov 5, 07, 13:16  #129

Quoting: plk123
are you sure you have the right country?


ok so are you saying a picture is worth a thousand words?

wonder if anyone can find the pics showing how much this guy killed..

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Ranj
Edited by: Ranj  Nov 5, 07, 13:20  #130

Quoting: plk123
you seem to still be arguing that everything is A-O-K.. and it isn't.

Can you please show me where in this thread I have argued that everything is A-O-K?

Hmmmm, would probably be very difficult to do since I never made the arguement that everything is A-O-K. In fact, I believe I stated several times that the US has messed up.

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plk123
  Nov 5, 07, 13:26  #131

Quoting: Patrycja19
wonder if anyone can find the pics showing how much this guy killed..

you're talking about rummy, right? ;)

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plk123
  Nov 5, 07, 13:28  #132

Quoting: Ranj
Can you please show me where in this thread I have argued that everything is A-O-K?

not directly.. you do say there have been mistakes etc.. but you dismiss them like, well, not our problem. this goes back to the premise BW mentioned.

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Ranj
Edited by: Ranj  Nov 5, 07, 13:45  #133

Quoting: plk123
but you dismiss them like, well, not our problem

Again, show me where I dismiss the mistakes as not our problem.....I believe the argument I have made is that besides the bad things the US has done, we also have done good. Was not telling anybody to ignore the fact that the US has screwed up nor making light of that fact.

BW's premise is that America is ignorant of all things outside her borders, and that Americans believe everything our Government tells us as the gospel truth......I could not disagree more with that. That's his opinion and he's entitled to it and you are entitled to agree......I happen to disagree with you both which does not necessarily make me wrong, anymore than what you believe makes you wrong. As I stated before, there's your opinion, my opinion and then there's the truth......I happen to believe that truth lies somewhere in between the two.

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BubbaWoo
  Nov 5, 07, 13:47  #134

Quoting: Ranj
BW's premise is that America is ignorant of all things outside her borders


it wasnt actually but never mind, ay

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Ranj
  Nov 5, 07, 13:49  #135

Quoting: BubbaWoo
it wasnt actually but never mind, ay

Well that's what I interpreted you to mean.....care to elaborate?

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BubbaWoo
  Nov 5, 07, 13:51  #136

not really, no

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Ranj
  Nov 5, 07, 13:52  #137

Quoting: BubbaWoo
not really, no

Well than shut your pie hole :D

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BubbaWoo
  Nov 5, 07, 13:55  #138

i think you find you mean 'well then'

fukin americans - cant even speak proper like

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Ranj
Edited by: Ranj  Nov 5, 07, 14:01  #139

Quoting: BubbaWoo
'well then'

thanks for correcting my typo.....knew I could count on an Ole wise and proper englishman to do that.....he's always so eager to point out the fukin americans mistakes.

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AvJoeUK [Guest]
Edited by: AvJoeUK  Nov 6, 07, 03:31  #140

Quoting: plk123
seems you're the one brushing off.


ABUL, Afghanistan - Six years after the Taliban's ouster, medical care in Afghanistan has improved such that 89,000 children who would have died before age 5 in 2001 will survive this year, President Hamid Karzai said Sunday.

Saddled for years with one of the world's worst records on child health, Afghanistan has seen access to health care rise dramatically since the U.S.-led invasion.

Thousands of clinics have been built across the country, and the Afghan government and aid agencies have trained tens of thousands of doctors, vaccinators and health volunteers who now reach into some of the country's most remote areas.

Access to health care for Afghans has jumped from eight per cent of the population in the 1990s to close to 85 per cent today, thanks in large part to efforts by USAID, the World Bank and the European Commission.

The under-five child mortality rate in Afghanistan has declined from an estimated 257 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2001 to about 191 per 1,000 in 2006, a 25 per cent drop, the Ministry of Public Health said, relying on a new study from Johns Hopkins University.

"This is certainly very positive news," said the United Nations spokesman in Afghanistan, Adrian Edwards. "To come from such low life expectancy to see this improvement does appear to be an indication that the work on the health sector here is beginning to pay off."


Iraq

School Attendance is up 80%-Truth!
Again, according to an April, 2004 report from UNICEF, school attendance in Iraq increased by 60 percent shortly after the war to more than 95 percent during the recent national exam week.

More than 1,500 schools renovated-Truth!
UNICEF says that as of April, 2004, more than 2,500 schools have been renovated with the goal of 4,000 being completed by the end of the year, but 10,000 more need repair.

The Port of Uhm Qasar [sic] renovated so grain can be offloaded faster-Truth!
In a November, 2003 interview on National Public Radio, Andrew Natsios of the U.S. Agency for International Development said that the port at Umm Qasar, Iraq's largest, is modern and functioning for the first time in 20 years.

All of the hospitals operating-Truth!
Because of disrepair and looting, it took a lot of work to get hospitals back up to speed but according to James Haverman, the Coalition Provisional Authority Senior Advisor to the Iraqi Ministry of Health, all 240 hospitals in Iraq as well as 2400 primary health care clinics were operating as of December, 2003.

According to a UNICEF report at the end of 2003, more than 3 1/2 million children had been immunized.

Girls are allowed to attend school-Truth
A quick read of Sgt. Reynolds' report would leave the impression that Iraqi girls are able to attend school for the first time because of the invasion.
According to Human Rights Watch, Iraqi girls and women have enjoyed comparatively more rights than in some of the other countries of the Middle East.
The Iraqi Constitution of 1970 included women's rights for voting, attending school, owning property, and running for office.


http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/r/rayreynolds.htm

Lets get this straight, I DONT agree with the war I thought it was a poor decision with disastrous consequences. However it HAS happened and any armchair general who protests it wasnt the right decision and that Americans and other Allied forces rape and kill everything they see isn't making a damn difference and frankly being plain ignorant, however Im broad viewed enough to see both sides of the Picture for good and for bad....and I can only HOPE that things will Improve and that we can see through the mess created.



Thankyou...

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hunfriend
  Nov 7, 07, 01:45  #141

There is a very good webpage about 911, Irak war, Zionism, history and so on.
erichufschmid.net

I think it has a big importance. Some artickles sould be translated into Polish, it is worth. After translating, and sending back to Eric Hufschmid, I'am sure he will put it to his webserver.

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Crnogorac
  Mar 16, 08, 08:40  #142



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szkotja2007
  Mar 16, 08, 08:52  #143

Five years after the start of the war the anniversary is remembered in Glasgow -
URL

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Uncle Bob
  Mar 16, 08, 08:58  #144

Why bother making Americans look stupid when they do such a good job of it themselves

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Mar 16, 08, 09:01  #145

I applaud this initiative by the brave Scottish people who are slowly but surely regaining their national awareness and consciousness. The illegal invasion of Iraq and the immoral recognition of Kosovo will prove to be the death nail in the coffin of the un-national creation of a country called Great Britain and signal the end of the reign of terror which destroyed the lives of millions by the corrupt Royal Palace.

May this generation of Scots be worthy of their once proud ancestors in reestablishing an INDEPENDENT STATE OF SCOTLAND.

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szkotja2007
  Mar 16, 08, 09:03  #146

Crnogorac wrote:
May this generation of Scots be worthy of their once proud ancestors in reestablishing an INDEPENDENT STATE OF SCOTLAND.

I hope so.

The Scottish National Party was opposed to the illegal war from the beginning.

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Uncle Bob
  Mar 16, 08, 09:05  #147

You make me laugh Crnogo - one sentence bemoaning the immoral recognition of Kosovo as an independent state, the next calling for an independent state of Scotland.

Youre too much young man

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Wroclaw
  Mar 16, 08, 09:08  #148

Crnogorac wrote:
Crnogorac


Interesting video. Would I care if any one of those guys took a bullet in the head ? No.

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Uncle Bob
  Mar 16, 08, 09:14  #149

It is only a small metaphorical step from not caring if they took a bullet in the head to actively wanting to do it. People on the forum complain about terrorists hiding amongst civilians but fail to understand that many of these so called terrorists are civilians who have taken that small metaphorical step.

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szkotja2007
  Mar 16, 08, 09:18  #150

Uncle Bob wrote:
not caring if they took a bullet in the head to actively wanting to do it.

The guy that shot the shepherd ? Guess I would have to join a queue.

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