Poles - the Nation of Liars?

ok give examples.. what is it that doesnt make sense?

- Isn't the above a lie? Should I, based on your statement, generalise that yours is a nation of liars?

Actually, the Poles are certainly one of the most vilified nations by some nations....



- Also many foreigners, like yourself, have - I imagine successfully - moved to Poland, and I imagine it wasn't too hard for them. Should I feel really annoyed about it?
And what 'extremely informative websites' for Poles explaining all issues pertaining to moving to England, Ireland and Scotland do you mean, mate? :)



- Don't you grossly exaggerate with this 'biggest nightmare'? Have you been to other countries? E.g. I know Polish people in England waiting for the National Insurance Number 1 year or longer. Every time they inquire with the appropriate officials, they are being send from the pillar to the post. When I tried to open an account in one of the banks, I had to provide, apart from any ID I had, also verbal references - just tell I knew one respectable person in the town I lived in, and then I had to wait for the decision for a week or so. Then they asked me for another ID, another document, another bill... Have you ever tried to get on the Ryanair plane heading from Stansted to Poland? Have you seen how some Polish people - perfectly alright folks - are treated by some of the creeps in yellow vests with the words 'Here to Help' or something like that on them? I can give thousands of similar examples from various countries I've visited.

Therefore, let me ask you perfectly honestly, without any sweet lies: aren't you a bit megalomaniac as regards your own country, and aren't you using a double-standard as regards Poland?

And yes, some Polish office employees are often arrogant and not very helpful, and it's indeed annoying (perhaps even more so to a foreigner?), and the line-ups are annoying too. But isn't it similar in other countries? Speaking from my own experience, I must say that the office (sub)culture in Poland has changed temendously for the better since communism.

The title of your post may be an honest expression of your perceptions, but it's contrary to facts and very insulting to me as a Pole.

At the end of the day it 'ain't what ya know its who ya know!

I agree Wroclaw that the red tape that it is a pain in the ass, but get your self a PA or a Polish wife and be generous with the officials.

- That's right, buddy. The red tape is a pain on the a$$ anywhere at all.

Yes, but there just seems to be so much more of it over here.

Afraid so and its a nightmare with all the Poles pushing and shoving trying to get the best seats. Like a bunch of sheep no decensy or manners it just look after no: 1 and to hell with everyone else. A mentality which unfortunatley is common all over Poland in most apsects of everyday life.

So f. out, świński ryju.

Nice to hear from you again.

Seperate fortunes documents
No rhd car insurance
Notaries
Visa applications
Registering a property in the title deeds register
stamping all documentation
cues in almost every office
lack of information
faulse information
foreigners not being able to buy a house without a registration card
bribing doctors

Thats just for starters.

wroclaw... mate help is on the way ....Joos are coming back to Poland :)
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OMG...this is Poland circa 1965.... line up for meat and karp good ole days ;) hahaha

Speaking of "Mentality" , why do you insult? If Poles are as bad as you say why come in here and be around us? Carol

there's nothing wrong with blowing off some steam but yeah it could have been a lil more diplomatic.

Too bad i've 1st hand experience with at least one of those things... Ahh if only i'd known to bribe that doctor though, my arm would've actually been put in a cast (plaster) instead of the "try not to move it" treatment.

I have not been to Poland for many years, my wife does not allow me to go with her because I am always complaining. I do not know about lying but they will swindle you if they can-be very very careful indeed. They are not clever enough to lye through multi million pound contracts but the women are very clever in small ways of using you and then dropping you. You make an appointment to meet outside the local theater at 8.00p.m. and she does not turn up and lets you down. The next day, by coincidence, you meet the same girl on a bus the next morning and you ask why she did not turn up. 'Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the cinema and I did wait for you but at 8.00a.m. in the morning!! One small lie after another with them. I give up and have no time for Polish rubbish anymore.

You will soon learn that you are expected to pay for everything in Poland-and that includes bribes in hospitals. Ask yourself this question, why do Polish engineers and doctors prefer to work in England cleaning Tesco floors rather than a return life to Poland? Answer-everything here, including education and medicine, is free.

Good for her.....now, if she could only figure out how to stop you from posting on PF....

:)))

the arm was 3-4 years ago. aren't you embellishing the situation a lil bit though? I met a lot of poles who were really doing well with fairly decent (better than mine) jobs in London, at least one wonderful lady went from being a nurse in Poland to Ireland.

..engineers and doctors cleaning tesco floors.....hmmm, i know no facts but this seems a lil far fetched.

But yeah the avg salary is low in Poland


*edited "the arm"*

As yourself a question, why the hell you keep lying all the time?

historically poland has had to fight for its identity and independence. the polish nation having been promised so many things which have never materialised.-after the end of communistic rule-eventual " freedom" in a democracy-this is difficulty to adjust to. my father had to " lie "to stay alive during the war-"trust" no-one-its hard to deal honesty and truth-when all you have know is the lies of others. i do not think they are a nation of liars-but struggling to accept honesty-they think you are lying to them!!! now with EU status -and more freedom and choice-like being let loose in a candy store-gona grab it while you can and you aint gona let anyone take it from you!!!!. its they insecurity which is the problem.

I felt more free in Poland than in any western european country where even the dogs of the natives have more rights than foreigners.In Poland you do not experience fat,old women screaming in train to find their seat,no dog puts his nose on your trousers while you sit in bus,no cyclist passes in high speed 2 cm next to you,coming from behind and blaming,nobody smokes and lets his smoke on your face,nobody pushes you all the time in every place,no amputee will pass over your feet to rush into bus,generally nobody annoys you.
I call this civilization.

he, he interesting observation S

LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA , polish people as free as westerners HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yes. Look behind you noimmigration to see if there's no MI6 agent pointing a gun at you ;)

grumpy old sod that you are, why would anyone want to take you on a holiday anywhere ha ha



maybe that is why your wife really doesnt take you to Poland ha ha trying to date chicks behind her back.

still waiting for the examples of those *not so sensible POLOCIES spelled
Policy in real life.

Poland is a woman.Who disagrees?

polocies must be Polish policies

;)

Having to bribe people in the medical industry
Having to bribe driving test examiners
No rhd car insurance
Foreigners requiring a permit to buy property
the whole stamping documents procedure
Property register
having to have car lights on 24/7 all year round
having to personally visit every utility company with the previous owner of a property to swith the bills, why cant we simply post documents
Baseing unbaseing and the rights of a based individual

Ill continue a bit later when i have more time.

I always laugh when someone tries to be smart and correct a spelling mistake, that really is petty.