Poles - the Nation of Liars?

I think you mean: that is really pretty.

yes it is problem ...



you dont have to ... I think that 99% pass without bribe ... and I think that last time it isnt so easy as it was in 90s.



I think you can buy flat ... there is porblem with land ... in my opinion it is really good, when we will be richer we will give permition.



It seams that it will change



costs of property register are lower than in USA and most of EU countries.



it is safer

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Sorry, I think I meant:

That is really Mickey Mouse.

I know all about that but I live here and still need a permit. Its fair enough putting restrictions on certain purchases to try and avoid the locals being priced out of the market.

Did anybody force you to give a bribe? You could have gone to a private clinic and you wouldn't have to bribe anybody there.



What is wrong with that?



Makes driving little more safer, wouldn't you agree?



Did anybody ask you to gave a bribe? If they did, you should have notified the police.



What "stamping documents procedure" you have in mind? Be more specific.



???



Perhaps to prevent any possible manipulations involving this procedure?



Hmmm, what is wrong with registering property?



Take a look at your own posts. You will find a lot of spelling mistakes.

Hardly reason to call entire nation liars.

Thats the whole point - dah.


Thats not the reason, im calling poles a nation of liars because they lie more so than any other nation ive ever known of. The above response is reply a to Patricia.


You could have gone to a private clinic and you wouldn't have to bribe anybody there. [/quote]
If you dont bribe you dont get the service, private clincs cost a fortune


there are no guarantees you will get the permit, Poles do not require a permit in my country and theres millions of them.
If it saves one life i suppose it is worth it. just seems a bit silly to have lights on in blazing sunshine and 30 degrees.


No I already drive, but many associates of mine are in the process of bribing their instructors. Couild be an explanation as to why there are so many deaths on the roads!!


You obviously havent done any paper work in Poland for a while. All documents need to be stamped or they are worthless. We stopped that around the 20's.


No other Western countries do it.


It can take upto 8 months meanwhile you are paying an extra interest rate. the registry office is full of cues with no one really knowing what they are doing. This should be a solicitors job. Oh and theres always a problem.

As for Baseing, all residents of Poland are required to have a base. If for some reason some person has been based at your property and then gets sent to prison or dissapears of the face of this earth for a while, he/she has the right to come back to his/her base and live there no questions asked. Removing this persons base is an erxtremely costly and lenghty process with again no guarantess of success at the end of it.

|I dont understand you ...

I know It would be great to buy land when there is 11% unemployment and earnings are still much lower than in other EU countries, so maybe I understand your flustration ... but we are really sory ;))) this busineess is for Poles, we negociated it with EU so it is OK your gov agreed ...

I can now see why. I was replying to Slick but hes been suspeneded and his post has been removed in the past 10 minutes.

I have to do some work but I'll be back a bit later.

Slightly backwards wouldnt you think...corrupt behaviour..hmmm not good...

Fortune? For instance: Why do some british come to Poland to get their teeth fixed? Is it because this service is so expensive? The point is that YOU as a wealthy british subject did not/do not have to bribe anybody unless you have chosen to do so.

Of course, corruption is everywhere, but it doesn't mean you can call entire nation liars because SOME doctors are corrupt.



That's because Polish law is different than british. If you do not like the Polish law, why can't you move out of Poland and go back to Britain where everything seems perfect and you wouldn't have to suffer under the oppression of Polish law anymore.



Just because other countries don't do it, doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

The whole point of your post was to prove that Poland is a corrupt country and Poles are liars. Now, you are telling me that some procedures that were clearly established to prevent manipulation and corruption are "no good" and should be abandoned because other countries don't have this kind of procedure. This makes no sense.



It just means this procedure should be changed. It does not prove your point that Poland is corrupt and Poles are liars.

thanks slick, but he is right, it was petty.. I was trying to get his attention to post
on my question... which he did. and discuss the issues bothering him about it..

the medical bribes I do agree on that needs to change. people shouldnt have to worry if they will face a life threatening situation if they dont pay up front or pay enough to
the physician that will be the ultimate caregiver in making sure this persons health
doesnt fail. to me this makes no sense.. so I do agree on that one.

Now hang on a minute slick, thats was not the purpose at all. Although Poland is a corrupt country never the less. My GF bribed a Police Officer on my first trip wit a 100 PLN.

No, what im trying to point out is that many a Pole lie, albeit a white or a big dirty balck lie they do lie, now of course all people lie regardless of their nation but.... Poles do lie quite often. Poles them selves will not admit this as it really is a part of every day life but put them out of touch for a few months and take them out of that whole life and they start to realise that lying does not have to be a part of every day life. I really dont want to get torn into an argument on this subject unless i really have to. And if need be I will rant on for a while proving my point.

Why did you get suspended?

Lets get one thing straight I like Poland i live here for petes sake, but...... there are issues I have to endore which drive me positively nuts!!

then you should have started your thread with that line..

Polish issues that drive me nuts.. the thread is a open invitation for argument
because your accusing poles of being liars..

I can say that I honestly dont know. I cant comment on the rest, but my cousins
live there and one thing she did mention was the health care issues.. shes up in
age so I can see where concern is when it comes to needing medical attention and
how far it is taken before someone actually administers care..

and Im not saying all doctors are like this, after all I am sure they teach ethics and
how doctors should act vs real life and what goes on behind the scenes.. its sad
that this does occur.

Here we go Slick:


Dental treatment is expensive in any country just a little less expensive in Poland. As you stated in a previous post you dont need to bribe any medical persons in the private sector.


Not the case at all, bribes are taken in all sectors including governamt. I did it!


I'll be gone soon enough as soon as I take what i'm owed... 1,000.000 PLN maybe?


True but one day hopefully withn the next five years you will learn.


Yup, youre damn right. Follow suite its the EU way, communism is gone now its OK you can move on.


Absolutely, hey menn and how long?

A Ha, yes but i just got back from a meeting with a bunch of lying Polish People. had it been any thing different then maybe the thread would have been different.

Dont worry the next one will be hopefully - Poles my best friends - or maybe - Poles the best cooks in the World!!

We shall see.

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they do lie though

So do British people. Maybe the difference is Polish people don't do it very well but British people have had more practise at it and you can't tell as well, that they are lying ?

My point is most member's of the human race lie at some point in their life, what the heck has Race got to do with it......huh !

The title of the thread is a lie.

I wish it was


Of course we all lie from time to time, all i can say lady is live in Poland for a bit and get to know the mentality and then make a decision, im not making this up.

I have to agree there.



*chuckles*



HAHAHA

We have the same regulation in Ontario, and I find it useful and I think it makes everybody safer. Some vehicles merge with the background easier than others, so sometimes you may see them when it's too late.

Now, what do headlights have to do with lying again?

Maybe because you can spot a liar when they are driving......

i'm wondering what cross section of polish people wroclaw boy is frequenting among and in which areas of the country. Maybe it's just the kind of people he does business with, or maybe there's something about him that inspires people to lie, perhaps. Let's all lie to wroclaw boy whether we are polish or not, perhaps he'll change his tune. Hey wroclaw boy, i'm a 3 time olympian bobsled champion!




great point!

- Wroclaw Boy appears to me a kind of chauvinistic Brit. He defends his nationalistic convictions by putting down the Poles. It's unfortunate indeed. (Many other folks from so-called Western Europe seem to function exactly the same - the relict of the Cold War stereotyping and hate propaganda, still carried on by many media psychopaths). Now, it's a fact that there are many Brits who treat fairly Polish people residing in Britain, but there are also scores of those who dupe them and exploit without mercy, not to mention crude insults, beatings, and killings. There are countless press reports in Poland and statements by Poles on Polish chat sites about this. Should we Poles, therefore, assume that ALL Brits, or even the majority of them, are nation of liars, exploiters, racists and killers? Of course not. By the way, are any Brits residing in Poland treated even one thousandth as bad as some Poles residing in Britain?

Having lived here for 5 years i have to agree with Wroclaw Boy, seems to me that in Poland it is seen as a weakness to admit you were wrong or say sorry and so people just lie to cover up.

Puzzler posted some very good points, i am waiting for the reply.



i don't know about that one being only specific to poles. There's been some forum debates where i've been tenacious with my points. Now although I am right (of course right?), those people i was debating points with kept up their futile arguements. My point being that if i had been more diplomatic then my counterparts may have been less defensive. your experiences are largely your doing.

For sure it's not just a Polish trait, but having lived and worked elsewhere and then moved to Poland I've found the level of dishonesty and lying here quite phenomenal, mainly when you have to deal with a stranger.

Some of the other threads suggest that it happens with business deals.

I've been here for quite some time and I've never had a problem.