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Are Poles the new victims of racism in Scotland?


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Grzegorz_
  Feb 7, 07, 09:47  #1

RACISM against new migrant workers must be tackled by politicians immediately, the head of the Commission for Racial Equality has warned after a tripling in complaints about discrimination towards people from eastern Europe.


www.news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=193692007

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krysia
  Feb 7, 07, 11:34  #2

I like this guy's reply:

"As a Scot married to a Pole, I say get more Poles into the country. They work hard, they're decent people, they're doing jobs Scots are too lazy or proud to do, and they are paying tax towards supporting some of the 3rd-generation unemployed whingers who've posted above."

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szkotja2007
  Feb 8, 07, 18:11  #3

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Opinions ?

A 22 year old walking alone after midnight, in a part of Edinburgh I would not walk alone in at midday, gets beaten up. Because he is Polish the police say the attack may have been racial - may not.
Cue rabid journalism etc etc etc

P.S. 40 000 Polish in Scotland gross underestimation in my opinion.

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Matyjasz
  Feb 8, 07, 18:18  #4

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Opinions ?



It's a big exaggeration if you ask me.

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King Sobieski
  Feb 8, 07, 18:23  #5

Quoting: szkotja2007
A 22 year old walking alone after midnight, in a part of Edinburgh I would not walk alone in at midday, gets beaten up. Because he is Polish the police say the attack may have been racial - may not.
Cue rabid journalism etc etc etc

P.S. 40 000 Polish in Scotland gross underestimation in my opinion.


what part of edinburgh was it in? it does not say in the article.

i would have thought the Scotland/england would have bigger issues with the aussie and new zealanders over there. higher percentage of us as well.

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szkotja2007
  Feb 8, 07, 18:28  #6

I would go along with comment No21
"Must be a slow news day. People get beaten up everyday for various reasons but to get a huge artical over one incident suggests the Scotsman are trying to create something that doesnt yet appear to exist. Newspapers should be more responsable. This paper is becoming trash."

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szkotja2007
  Feb 8, 07, 18:37  #7

Quoting: King Sobieski
what part of edinburgh was it in?

Pilrig - OK not the worst but I wouldn't walk about there on my own, drunk, after dark.
Quoting: King Sobieski

i would have thought the Scotland/england would have bigger issues with the aussie and new zealanders over there

England may have but Scotland doesn't. We are actively trying to encourage immigration because we have one of the fastest declining populations in Europe.
Quoting: King Sobieski
higher percentage of us as well.

If you are talking about migrant workers Poles are in the majority.

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King Sobieski
  Feb 8, 07, 18:54  #8

Quoting: szkotja2007
Pilrig - OK not the worst but I wouldn't walk about there on my own, drunk, after dark.


For 2 years i walked home drunk down easter and leif roads, it wasnt til the end of my two years that someone said i was lucky to not have been attacked. But never had a problem.

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Grzegorz_
  Feb 8, 07, 20:01  #9

I live next to a language school and I think that they have a Scotish guy, do you think that beating him up in revenge would be OK ?

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shewolf
  Feb 8, 07, 20:14  #10

Quoting: Grzegorz_
I live next to a language school and I think that they have a Scotish guy, do you think that beating him up in revenge would be OK ?


What time is it over there right now?

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King Sobieski
  Feb 8, 07, 20:33  #11

Quoting: Grzegorz_
I live next to a language school and I think that they have a Scotish guy, do you think that beating him up in revenge would be OK ?


just beware of the glasgow kiss!!!

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Decorator
  Feb 8, 07, 20:41  #12

Why even bother with this? any country that has a mass influx of immigrants will suffer the same thing, it doesn't make it right or wrong!! it's
ts a fact of life

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King Sobieski
  Feb 8, 07, 20:50  #13

Quoting: Decorator
any country that has a mass influx of immigrants will suffer the same thing, it doesn't make it right or wrong!! it's
ts a fact of life


wrong place, wrong time...probably just knuckleheads looking for a fight, the victim just happened to be polish.

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Decorator
  Feb 8, 07, 21:00  #14

Quoting: King Sobieski
wrong place, wrong time...probably just knuckleheads looking for a fight, the victim just happened to be polish.


Exactly King it's not anti polish or anti anyone, just people aren't used to change,. i see both sides of this, but i respect anyone who attempts to earn a wage. Blame the goverment not the individuals... i'm very strong on this subject, i live in London and i see every argument. I feel for this young man.

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King Sobieski
  Feb 8, 07, 21:23  #15

Quoting: Decorator
Exactly King it's not anti polish or anti anyone, just people aren't used to change,. i see both sides of this, but i respect anyone who attempts to earn a wage. Blame the goverment not the individuals... i'm very strong on this subject, i live in London and i see every argument. I feel for this young man.


im saying i dont even think it was race related, that they didnt even know he was polish. could have been you or i that happened to walk that street that same time and we would have met the same fate.

you cant even wear your football teams colours into pubs in scotland because it may cause a violent incident. ive seen hearts supporters being escorted by police to the hibs ground on a lazy saturday arvo. which is very strange for me.

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wonski81
Edited by: wonski81  Feb 8, 07, 23:39  #16

One of my mates living in Chester told me that there was a law allowing killing Scots, but only using an arrow (bow). Is it true, and does this law still apply?

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krysia
  Feb 9, 07, 00:24  #17

I just watched the news from Poland and they say the guy is still in critical condition. They said that Scotland is under Democratic Catastrophy and they need immigrant workers for their economy.

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Kowalski
  Feb 9, 07, 01:37  #18

^
They're not that weird

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wonski81
  Feb 9, 07, 02:20  #19

Quoting: krysia
They said that Scotland is under Democratic Catastrophy

I love this kind of misspelling

I think that Poland overreacted, and it is typical for us.
They quoted some posts from polish forums - some users are ready for revenge.
This may lead to so called "Democratic" Catastrophy, indeed.

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Matyjasz
  Feb 9, 07, 02:46  #20

Quoting: wonski81

I think that Poland overreacted, and it is typical for us.



I never knew that Scotsman is a Polish paper. I guess they managed to fool me because that tricky name.

Basically every day, from Edinburgh to Warsaw, people get beaten up because they looked at the aggressors, because the didn't look at the aggressors, because their hair was too long, because their hair was too short, because they are from another town, because they are from another neighborhood, the list goes on. One incident determines that there is a "racial" friction between Scots and Poles? Me thinks that Scotland must be a real quiet place, since they don't have any more interesting news. I have read just recently that a Russian fisherman caught an Alien and ate it! Now that's a story!

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wonski81
Edited by: wonski81  Feb 9, 07, 03:17  #21

Try to watch Polish News - they interviewed lot of people (even employer of beaten man), they were obviously looking for racial part of this incident, they tried to make big story. And they, of course, did not forget to mention that Scotes need Poles
I know it is tragedy for this boy, his family but there is no place for sensations.
In country like UK it is very possible that Pole, Pakistani or Nigerian will take part in that kind of "accident". Will Polish press take care of foreigners beaten in Poland? I don't think so. That's what is typical. I hope that both Scotes and Poles will forget quickly.

Now I'm going back to the Russian fisherman story, and to work, of course.

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Matyjasz
  Feb 9, 07, 04:18  #22

Quoting: wonski81
Try to watch Polish News - they interviewed lot of people (even employer of beaten man), they were obviously looking for racial part of this incident, they tried to make big story. And they, of course, did not forget to mention that Scotes need Poles


I watched it and it's basically quoting "Scotsman". Remember that Polish papers didn’t came up with this revelation in the first place. Is it typical for the polish papers only to expose some news that regard their citizens abroad? Don’t think so.

Quoting: wonski81
Will Polish press take care of foreigners beaten in Poland? I don't think so.


What about the case of that American basketball player that was beaten up and robbed last year?
Personally I'm glad that polish papers aren't that touchy on this subject, because what Scotsman did is just plain old silly. Seeking trouble where there still isn't one. Still, because this article can put some ideas in peoples heads, and can actually be the real cause of friction in the near future.

I think that this is actually the reason why UK has so many problems with minorities. It’s all because they are to sensitive. For example, “Let’s not put the words “Merry Christmas” on the post cards. It may offend our Muslim minority”. I bet that those Muslims wouldn’t figure it out on themselves that it can be offensive, but since English people say it can, than why shouldn’t they believe them? I hope you catch my drift. Exaggerating those things isn’t the best politics and only causes trouble in the future. I hope that that won’t be the case with Polish immigrants, but such articles really cause more harm than good. If the Scots say that there is a “racial” problem (I love the way the word “racist” and “racial” is being used these days) between Poles and Scots than why shouldn't I believe them?
Don’t overdo it with your hospitality people.

OK, I’m off to read more about that Russian fisherman’s gain.

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Guest
  Feb 9, 07, 05:18  #23

Quoting: wonski81
One of my mates living in Chester told me that there was a law allowing killing Scots, but only using an arrow (bow). Is it true, and does this law still apply?


Actually, it's a Welshman you're allowed to kill, but only on a Sunday and with a long bow. The law has never been reprieved, although I don't think it would stand up in court



                              
 
BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 07, 05:38  #24

Quoting: Matyjasz
Seeking trouble where there still isn't one


well... thats the british media for you...

Quoting: Matyjasz
this article can put some ideas in peoples heads


now theres a thought, Mat... no... couldnt possibly be the case... could it...?

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Grzegorz_
  Feb 9, 07, 11:43  #25

Quoting: King Sobieski
just beware of the glasgow kiss!!!




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szkotja2007
  Feb 9, 07, 12:07  #26

Glasgow kiss = Headbutt
Usually preceded by the question
" Does your ma have a sewing machine ? "
and followed by " Stitch that "

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 07, 12:10  #27

Quoting: szkotja2007
Usually preceded by the question
" Does your ma have a sewing machine ? "
and followed by " Stitch that "


and usual in reply to the question
"is that a skirt youre wearing, mate?"

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Giles [Guest]
  Feb 9, 07, 12:15  #28

hahahahahaaha

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szkotja2007
  Feb 9, 07, 12:22  #29

Wouldn't be the first time I walked in to a Bar laughing and came out in stitches !

And theres more.................................

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ola123 [Guest]
  Feb 9, 07, 12:24  #30

Quoting: Grzegorz_
I live next to a language school and I think that they have a Scotish guy, do you think that beating him up in revenge would be OK ?



Yes

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