Are Poles the new victims of racism in Scotland?

Ok - point taken - no more lousy jokes !

I thought it was that we could kill the welsh?

286 comments? Scots love Polish peoples!

There was also an article recently about an Englishman being beaten up in a "racist" attack in Scotland.
When I used to go to pubs with friends in my local area in West Yorkshire (very working class) we used to put on working class accents to fit in. It becomes second-nature after a while.
Perhaps there should be language lab sessions for anyone going north of the border? Discuss.

Well, I tried to follow your link but in typical Scotsman fashion, its too old and just led me to todays news - which I have already read, thanks!

I know this is an old topic but I have to say that I really don't think that Poles are the new vics of racism in this country. I have noted that incidents of violence against Polish people are highlighted in our news much more but this is just a case of whatever sells the newspapers. The incidents of attacks against Polish people are few and far between but the Scottish Media wish to make a big deal of it!

Ola 123 replies 'yes' to a question whether beating up a Scottish guy in Poland in revenge for beating up a Pole in Scotland would be OK.

You mean that an innocent Scot should be punished for somebody else's harmful act?

Punishment should be applied only to those who commit harmful acts.

When innocent people are 'punished' for acts they did not commit it's not really a punishment, only the same evil act as the one they are allegedly punished for.

Such a collective punishment is actually a crime.

Thus if some Scots beat up a Pole for the fact that he is Polish, they should be punished for that, but not other Scots who have nothing to do with the beating.

I don't think that collective punishment is a Polish way.

And you aren't entirely Polish, are you?

Has anyone on this thread said 'shame on you' to anyone else yet! Its an opportunity thats never normally missed.

How many threads or topics have i read like this, it seems to me that the polish seem to feel the need to make themselves look like the victim, or slam other nations for wrong doing in their country. This is so unbelievable, people are attacked all round the world for their race, colour etc etc.

White people cannot go to parts of Jamaica because they will be killed, Whites are captured in South America for the money, Blacks and Asians are attacked in the UK simply because of the colour of their skin. Its all wrong but it happens, the Polish are not the only victims. I have suffered abuse from Polish people in my own country, FOR BEING ENGLISH can you believe it.

However i'm not crying about it and i think its about time that some, i'm not saying all of course, Poles realise that the world does not rotate around the problems that their beloved Polska is having or its people.

I sometimes think the Polish need to grow a thicker skin and stop crying about these things, no its not right that people are attacked, its not right that their singled out for being Polish, BUT IT HAPPENS TO ALL RACES, RELIGIONS, NATIONALITIES all round the world.

Don't get me wrong i love the Polish and socialise with a lot of polish people but i can't help sometimes getting hte feeling that they feel the world is against them aas individuals for being Polish or against Poland as a country. Wake up and smell the Coffee EVERYBODY SUFFERS, its life.

Agreed. Its the 'poor Poles' victim mentality that you can see running through every thread, mostly posted by Plastic Poles. Most genuine Poles seem to be a bit more philosophical than the whingers on this forum.

After my rather long explanation of the negativity of some Poles i would like to totally agree with the above :)

Just to point out - THE GUY DID NOT GET BEAT UP BECAUSE HE WAS POLISH !!!!

I thought it was that we could kill the welsh?

Amy wins the biscuit but only if she's on the city walls during the hours of darkness with a bow and arrow and a good aim!

Why don't you post more often??? :-)

ok you've lost me, lol

The answer to the topic title would appear to be - No.



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- So far, there haven't been any beatings of Scots in Poland for their Scottishness. I doubt they will ever happen. You folks have a good image with the Poles.

I should mention that many Poles know about the beatings of Poles in Britain.

But there haven't been any numerous and serious cries for revenge, even amongst our football hooligans.

Doesn't it say anything about the Poles?

I don't know much about Scotland and Scots from personal experience; those in e.g. Canada I met who called themselves Scots weren't real Scots to me at all. Those whom I met in England and Ireland seem to me exceptionally nice friendly people, even though at times a bit too anti-English.

I presume that the majority of Scots are gentle peaceful friendly people, aren't they?

you never met my ex mother in law..........nothing gentle about that woman



some people don't understand Gzregorz sense of humour

re: some people don't understand Gzregorz [it's 'Grzegorz,' Daisy :) - P.] sense of humour

- Perhaps you're right? It was ola, btw, who wrote the 'yes' under Greg's question.

Sorry, I often type teh instead of the as well

when Grzegorz says 'we will crush them' you know he's only joking

You are quite right kitty, he has a very dry sense of humour, some people just dont get it though :)

which makes it even funnier :)

Hell yeah :)

Since it is the UK and people in England are getting bent from the Polish working there, why is it that Scotland and Ireland are hosting these workers but not complaining as much. Do some people from England see themselves as sth different? All of it IS the UK, so why the different reactions?

Is it that more people are getting educated in Scotland rather than working?

I've been thinking about your post for a bit. I don't know why Scotland/Ireland accept foreign workers more than England, I wasn't truly aware that they did. I know a lot of the Polish people I am friends with have either been through college or are about to begin courses in a variety of subject but at the same time, in order to live, they have been working/will continue to do so whilst at college/University. Its a good point you make.

I only notice this because my gf goes to Napier in Edinburgh, and she doesn't experience any racism/ hatred except from the poshy types

I don't think there's a great deal of racism against Polish people in Edinburgh. I don't notice it anyway. Racism does exist in Scotland but its not limited to one set of people.

To be honest... where I work, most of the racism is said behind poeple's backs... it is said all the time in such a horrible way, but *mostly* so that it is only heard by other Scots. I've seen the effects of this too - whether the foreign workers have noticed or not -this is part of why it is made a little difficult for them to integrate (again, I can only say this for my job) - because all this is said amongst the Scottish workers and the Scottish workers in vast majority are making no effort whatsoever to welcome them. I say it is mostly done in a two-faced manner becuase there are some who are very open - but of the three Polish men I talk to at work, it took a while before they noticed the racism at all, it took one woman to be very blatant about it with them. It has also had the adverse effect of the supervisors (who are all Scottish), quite subtly, finding them the hardest jobs to do and doing them no favours as they would workers from here. I'd like to think this is only in my job, because it is awful and sad enough, but I can't quite believe that.

I *do* agree with this though, I think it is only more noticeable in my job against Polish people because there appeared to be more of them than any other foreigners. I know this part isn't true for everywhere though, so I would say it's probably not a general problem in Scotland of racism against this one country. And anyway, a lot of people in my job are just ignorant about everything anyway... =P

Sofi - I see what you're saying. I guess when I am talking about racism I mean blatant attacks verbally and physically. I do hear mutterings among other Scottish people about 'stealing jobs' etc but my experience of that is this - the Polish people in my workplace are generally occupying positions that, despite relentless advertising, Scottish people have shunned - by those I mean, domestic jobs and the lower paid kitchen jobs.

And these are the same jobs in London that some British are complaining about.