THE POLES ON THE FRONT LINES OF WWII

You are in denial.

OK,maybe 65....muppet.

You are a clown. The number of Poles who were in Wehrmacht is probably around 100 thousand, usually not really volunteers and most very more than happy If they could change the side but there were thousands of them and I don't deny that but the whole Goralenvolk completely failed, Gerries wanted to create the whole SS division and all they could find were 200 rednecks, who registered only because got vodka and on the next day most jumped out of the train and the rest was sent to Germany as slave labor. You have little idea about history but want to play a smart ass (because you read in a newspaper - LOL !) and use childish tricks when someone point out your crap. Grow up.

grow up,thats a larf coming from Mr maturity himself.....so what your telling me is that,and these are your words "
where as I point out 65 Brits served....yet I am in denial....oh dearie me you really have a chip on that shoulder of yours,never mind,once you find yourself a nice muslim boyfriend you may relax a little.......

You were talking crap (1500 in just one unit when in fact "the unit" has never been even created) and now instead of admitting that you behave like a woman in period. Go get a brain.

Yes as a matter of fact, My grandfather who was a wwII vet for U.S, his cousin from Poland that I met many years ago, was forced by Nazis to rush allied troops, be the first to inspect suspected allied fortifications, dig bunkers, be scouts and so on. He said if they wern't getting killed from the front by allies, retreaters would be assassined by nazis. They feared nazis over allies. They wore yellow sleeve bands that read "deutch vermacht" that Nazis would throw on able bodied civilians after invading their towns. -war is hell

Evidence please, and in what context did they find themselves in service?

There was massive conscription from the areas directly annexed into 3rd Reich (Upper Silesia, Pommerania, parts of Wielkopolska... ) of anyone, who had anything to do with Germany - German grandparent, father serving in Prussian army etc. And of course there were some other cases...

WW2 conscription into the German army and other issues, differed from year to year and depending on who was listening, but one thing is relatively certain, most able young men from those areas were rounded up (lapanki) and either deported to Germany as slave labour and/or conscripted.



Especially about the territories of Poland like
Silesia regarded by Germans as their own.

The evidence is there for all to see if they choose to,even blindman G' admits as much.
BTW,this wasnt meant to be a p issing contest,except as usuall some clown pipes up with the normall guff about "no Poles served the germans" and then has the brass nerve to actually say,well,that No Poles is actually a hundred thousand.....I leave it to history to decide the "facts",frankly,relying on some shmuck like the dogman is about as reliable as listning to noimmigration on British history.....

I suspect that some Poles (albeit a few hundred thousand) thought they were better of fighting for Nazi Germany.

Ok, so is it correct to say when we talk of "Poles" being conscripted into Wehrmacht/SS (whatever), these "Poles" were actually Germans/Austrians who lived in Poland, or, Germans who had Polish names because they had lived in Germany for a while?

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Thats strange. In the time it took me to post, several posts have vanished. Can admin explain?

no,some were "germans" some were Poles. Just look at the recruits to the free Polish forces in the west,after normandy many came from german divisions,if they had been "germans" they would not have ended the war in Polish uniforms.

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yes,I noticed that dan,that dodgy list and my reply disapeared......being as the vanished posts were completly ON TOPIC what is the explanation?

Yes where did all that go?

Ethnic Germans who were citizens of Poland became eligible for German citizenship, and thereby subject to conscription, after the conquest of Poland.

The definition of "ethnic German" was fairly broad. Basically any Pole could claim to be an ethnic German based on the most tenuous German descent, and could apply to be registered on the "Volksliste". While registration as an ethnic German conferred benefits compared with Poles who retained the status of "Schutzangehoerige" (protected subjects), the downside was they were liable for conscription. Therefore, it is probable that many Poles who, because of mixed descent, could have claimed the status of ethnic German did not do so.

Thus, the Poles who volunteered for or were conscripted into the Wehrmacht were actually former citizens of Poland who had applied for and been granted the status of ethnic German and had been registered on the "Volksliste". When captured (as many were in North Africa), they were given the option of volunteering for the Polish Army fighting alongside the British (the Anders Army) rather than remaining POWs, and many of them changed sides yet again.

There is no sense to participate in any kind of debate if it simply disappears.
Like I said before that was a list of volunteers in German army. The rest were conscripts and there was about 40,000 altogether including the volunteers.
My reply also disappeared.

seeing as the post disapeared it seems pointless,but,your list was only for the ss,nit the army....
I give this post 5 minutes before it ends up in internet siberia......

heheh


we put 4 force against Nazists and we were so loyal for our alies that now it looks ...

and?? seeing as I ,a Briton,was the firsty person to mention the BFK (membership,65) I dont think there was much point in you posting nazi propaganda......




sorry,dont speak gobbldegook,wtf ?

why would poland critisize their british saviours in ww2 (youtube video titled "Poland surrenders to Germany, Victory Parade during WW2.")

my godness this thread is about Polish on WWII and we were 4th force on this war but I see only brits who starts to talk about Poles who collaborated (mostly native Germans with Polish citizesship or miniorities who were forced to serv in Wermaht like Kashubians or Silesians)

Isnt there some friction here if one brings into consideration the German goal for ethnic Poles?

The heart of the issue is how many ethnic Poles (not Polish citizens of Germanic descent) served the Wehrmacht/SS.

you really are an ignorent muppet arnt you....saviour would kinda imply that Britain liberated Poland......

"Nazi ideology stressed the racial purity of the German people and persecuted those it perceived either as enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is "life unworthy of life". (This included Jews, Slavs, Roma and homosexuals (See also Paragraph 175), along with Jehovah's Witnesses, the mentally and/or physically disabled, actual socialists, and communists.)"

we went to war explicitly FOR poland

maybe because,unlike you,we Britons(well,someof us) can admit we had traitors(60 odd) where as getting a Pole to admit to Polish traitors ,well,youd think Id asked to have relationships with your mums.....isnt it time ,with all this moaning about russia having to "come clean" about past mistakes that Poland and Poles grew up abit and took off the rose tinted glasses?After all,any country with laws against saying you had nazi collaberators,to me atleast,sounds like a country with something to hide.
No immi,you know fek all about ww2 history if your supositions were true explain the stolen children?,so,be a good chap and orf you jolly well go and get a fish supper.....

I admit there were traitors, and I hope they got what they deserved.

How many of them though were purely ethnic Poles is the question I've been asking? I simply dont know, but I think it's important to establish. Isnt it almost a foregone conclusion that any Polish citizen of germanic extraction would have volunteered for the Germans.

This figure will always elude history for obvious reasons, I do not have accurate reseasrch into Polish monitary behaviour prior to WWII. Given the current (manic) money driven society of Poland I would suggest 10s of thousand defected purely based on financial and citizenship rewards regardless of rightous beliefs.

you know there is Team Istahu, Wroclaw boy, nonimmigration (they consider themselfs sharks or sth). And they post all insults they can invent most of them are untrue most of Poles are tired by it and simply ignore their posts ...

I think it is easy to understand when we look on English history and their imput in Africa Asia ... history. That is why they do what they can to show "bad" face of Poland but most of their posts are sign of their ignorance. Because Istahu in some discussions agreed that we had communism not because Polish commies went to bed with Stalin ... but now he started to repeat this BS and he reapts other BS without looking on facts that this issues were discussed before (with him) the same Wroclaw boy

What has the current manic money grabbers got to do with anything relating to this discussion?

Calm down Sadek, were mearly analising facts and discussing them. No insults intended.

Did I not explain myself properly Ozi?

You gave an explanation and I asked what has the purported current money making zeal of the Polish got to do with fighting for the Germans?