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Wahldo
  Jul 5, 08, 13:31  #481

Marek:
I'm a world citizen as well as an American


this is endless preaching and moralizing is exactly the stuff that gets America in hot water with Europe, no wonder they'd like to kick is in the nuts so bad..

who cares let them sort this out.

 
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Marek
  Jul 5, 08, 13:47  #482

Some might argue that if the US doesn't do the moralizing, then who will. See? It cuts both ways.....both ways it cuts.

Furthermore, it's awful tough being the world's policeman. I'd frankly like a rest, my dogs are tired.

 
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rock
  Jul 5, 08, 14:55  #483

espana:
muslims in europe is not good :(


Why ? Do you believe to another God ? There's one as far as I know !

 
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tomek
  Jul 6, 08, 11:13  #484

Mosques in Europe, islamic chauvinism and bossiness undesired.
Pork and alcohol, women rights desired.

@rock: I often mentioned how far ahead the Turks in Turkey are compared to the migtrants who came 30 years ago into european countrys, regarding secular government and general public opinion towards other cultures.

Yet Turkey in EU - that won't fit. We are just too different and it should be of mutual interest not to contaminate our cultures with each other. And regarding turkish approach towards christian missionaries we in Europe are very mild towards muslims you must addmit.

We allow mosques while Turks kill missionaries! And the public voice supports theese killings even. The murderers will get into prison but they will be respected there and have a fine living with ****** and drugs.

Grüss Gott

 
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espana
  Jul 6, 08, 12:30  #485

rock ....you are welcome in europe as a christian :)
convert yourself or leave europe!!!!

 
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Seanus GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 6, 08, 12:32  #486

Freedom of Speech and Religion espana. U can't tell him to leave, that's just wrong

 
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rock
  Jul 6, 08, 14:44  #487

espana:
rock ....you are welcome in europe as a christian :)
convert yourself or leave europe!!!!


Do you guarantee heaven if I become christain :) LOL!
It is belief ! We all will face the reality when we die !
If believe God is with good people whether they are muslim or christain etc.

tomek:
Mosques in Europe, islamic chauvinism and bossiness undesired.
Pork and alcohol, women rights desired.

Mosques are God's houses like Churches. We surprise christain chauvinism. In Turkey, pork and alcohol is free. I don't eat pork but I like rakı and wine. In Turkey women voting and election rights are given before many of European countries. Woman and man are equal by means of law. What do you mean by women rights ?
Unfortunately you have no idea about Turkey and confuse her with other islamic countries. I will repeat again ''Turkey is secular''. Have you ever visited Turkey ?

tomek:
We allow mosques while Turks kill missionaries! And the public voice supports theese killings even. The murderers will get into prison but they will be respected there and have a fine living with ****** and drugs.

There are a lot of church and priests in Turkey. Even more than the Christain public would need. We respect them all. Population of Turkey is 70.000.000 and number of christains are 100.000. I will learn the exact number of churches and post later.
Recently, there had been rare occasions like you have said by fanatics. We don't approve them. Most of the Turks wanted them to be punished.

 
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tomek
Edited by: tomek  Jul 8, 08, 04:36  #488

rock:
I will repeat again ''Turkey is secular''

And I will repeat:
tomek:
@rock: I often mentioned how far ahead the Turks in Turkey are compared to the migtrants who came 30 years ago into european countrys, regarding secular government and general public opinion towards other cultures.

OK? you are a lost cause. and I thaught some turks were worth discussing with them. Go build an alliance with ahmadinejad.

 
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rock
  Jul 8, 08, 11:57  #489

The number of active churches in Turkey is 321 at the end of 2006. This number was 273 in 2005. So, 48 new churches were opened to public in one year. The population of christains are approxiametely 100.000. This means 312 person per church. How many active churches are there in any city has a population of 100.000 in Europe. The interesting part of it, although there are only 5.000 protestan in Turkey they have 50 churches and it is increasing day by day.

tomek:
Go build an alliance with ahmadinejad.


It is sth impossible. But, I admire Ahmadinejad and Chavez. I believe the president of every independent country has to behave like them.

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jul 8, 08, 12:50  #490

rock:
There are a lot of church and priests in Turkey. Even more than the Christain public would need. We respect them all.


CRAP!

Turkey's Mistreatment of Christians Becoming More Brazen,
Persecution worsening even as the country seeks entry into EU.


URL


Turkey's Christians face backlash
Several recent murders have confronted Turkey's growing ranks of Christian evangelicals


URL


Turkey’s Record of Intolerance
Christians in Turkey Live in Peril


URL


Germany to Turkey: Show Some Respect for Christians


URL


Why Christians feel under threat in today's Turkey


URL


Hatred Against Christians Has Escalated in Turkey


URL


Priest stabbed in latest attack on Christians in Turkey


URL


Turkey: Christians celebrate low-key Christmas after recent attack

The remaining Christians in Turkey celebrate Christmas while suffering from increasing persecution.


URL


Emine Cemal, a middle-aged Turkish woman nursing a beer in a bar, rejected the idea that the attacks were linked to a rising militant Muslim orthodoxy.

"I don't think this has a religious root, it's about nationality," she said. "To be Turkish is to be Muslim and so Christians are here working against Turkey."


URL

...and so on and so on and so on!
Just google Turkey and Christian!

I'm really all for treating Europes turkish muslims like they treat the christians in Turkey!

rock:
The number of active churches in Turkey is 321 at the end of 2006. This number was 273 in 2005. So, 48 new churches were opened to public in one year. The population of christains are approxiametely 100.000. This means 312 person per church. How many active churches are there in any city has a population of 100.000 in Europe. The interesting part of it, although there are only 5.000 protestan in Turkey they have 50 churches and it is increasing day by day.


Even more CRAP!!!


The Vanishing Act of the Church in Turkey
A church worn down by Christian rivalry and Islamic jihad hangs on in the land of Nicea and Ephesus.

Many Greek and Armenian Christians in Turkey suffer the double ignominy of religious and ethnic marginalization. Though the government is officially secular and many Turks are only nominally Muslim, conversion to Christianity is considered a betrayal of heritage and homeland. Persecution stemming from this perspective has stunted church growth and crippled the small Christian community


URL

That's more like the reality!

Oh and that:
rock:
But, I admire Ahmadinejad and Chavez. I believe the president of every independent country has to behave like them.


Is one of the most crappiest things I've ever read. If a PF member every thought about Turks becoming good members of Europe - here is the answer, thank you "Rock"!

 
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rock
  Jul 8, 08, 12:59  #491

BB, these are all prejudiced comments from christain media !
Tell what people wants to hear. It is not important whether it is true or not.
I am trying to give some information, but your opinions are fixed !
You believe what you want to believe. Because you hate all muslims.

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jul 8, 08, 13:02  #492

rock:
BB, these are all prejudiced comments from christain media !


Crap!

It's christian media as well as the "Economist", the british "Telegraph" and human rights organisations!

What now? After denying comes the denigrating of the sources???
Reminds me on the chinese commies who also try to paint their dictaturship in great colors all the time!

Bring me some objective sources which show us the contrary!

 
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rock
  Jul 8, 08, 13:08  #493

rock:
How many active churches are there in any city has a population of 100.000 in Europe.


Can anybody answer my question pls ?

Bratwurst Boy:
It's christian media as well as the "Economist", the british "Telegraph" and human rights organisations!


hahaha. Muslims manage The British Telegragh and human rights organisations :)))

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jul 8, 08, 13:10  #494

rock:

hahaha. Muslims manage The British Telegragh and human rights organisations :)))


That is your answer???

rock:
Can anybody answer my question pls ?


Which question!
How about googling it?

Where do you live actually?

 
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espana
  Jul 8, 08, 13:12  #495

rock:
Because you hate all muslims


europeans do not like muslims

 
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rock
  Jul 8, 08, 13:27  #496

espana:
europeans do not like muslims


I like good people, muslim or christain. I hate bad people muslim or christain.
This is the difference between us.
But I don't think you are representing the whole Europeans.

Bratwurst Boy:
Which question!


How many churches can there be in a city in Europe which has 100.000 population ?

BB, I admire Ahmedinejad and Chavez, because they are against USA imperialism.
Do you support USA in Iraq ?

 
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Bratwurst Boy
  Jul 8, 08, 13:53  #497

rock:
BB, I admire Ahmedinejad and Chavez, because they are against USA imperialism.
Do you support USA in Iraq ?


CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!


 
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Andrew78
  Jul 8, 08, 13:55  #498

Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
Ya man

 
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rock
  Jul 8, 08, 14:00  #499

Bratwurst Boy:
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!


So you support USA in Iraq ?

 
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Andrew78
  Jul 8, 08, 14:18  #500

Oil man you get me

 
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espana
  Jul 8, 08, 14:19  #501

rock:
This is the difference between us

no ,no,no,,,,, is it a huge difference between us ,muslims always try to tell you that they are right, after that they will tell you that they are going to bring you some books , when i m with a muslim friend always try to convience me to read this ugly book called koran

rock what about if i tell you that christian catholic are right and you should read the bible , i respect that you are muslim so i will not tell you that and thats why musims are not tolerant at all
the bad christian is not going blowing things up the bad muslim yes

i really thing we should listen to more songs of john lennon , imagine

 
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rock
  Jul 8, 08, 14:31  #502

espana:
ugly book called koran

rock what about if i tell you that christian catholic are right and you should read the bible , i respect that you are muslim so i will not tell you that and thats why musims are not tolerant at all


You are in a conflict. Where is the respect ? You call Kur'an an ugly book. Muslims never insult other religions and their holy books. You say you respect me but you insult my religion.

 
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espana
Edited by: espana  Jul 8, 08, 14:35  #503

rock:
Muslims never insult other religions and their holy books.

ok mate they only blowing things up

rock:
You call Kur'an an ugly book.

yes
rock:
You say you respect me

yes
rock:
but you insult my religion.

yes

 
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rock
  Jul 8, 08, 15:06  #504

Don't tell me about christain rights in Turkey. They are happy to live in Turkey.
Because of USA more than 1.000.000 human beings died in Iraq. And you are silent. You were silent for Bosnia too.

You support animals !

 
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Khaled
  Jul 9, 08, 03:52  #505

Turkich And Othmam Empire has Great History And They Ruled The Islamic World After The Fall Of (Al Khilafa) An Islamic Political regyme .
Was One Of The Largest and Strong Empires However It get weaker and weaker After Till became Called "" The Sick Man "" This Empire Reached the Top Of Weakness and disapaired After Getting Defaited In The World War
Later All The Othman's Legacy From Arabic And Islamic Lands were devided Between The Europian Countries France , Great Britain..... After This Sick Man Was Died
This Empire Like Any Other One Was Not All Braight and shaning Even the arabic and Islamic Lands Were Suffering Under The Turk Cotrol So How About Other Lands Who Are Non Muslims (Worst Ofcourse)
About People I never Visited This Country Before However People Here Who Did They Say Its Very Nice Country
Its Hard To Judje All The Country Only For What some people Do But Let Us Say Every where U Go U Find The Good And Bad , If Ur Heart Is Sweet U Will Meet Sweet People Like U :)
Well About Chat Thats True Alot of people which U Meet There (Turkich and Arabs) Can Tell You That They Love U Only one Hour After Knowing U hahahahah...
Not Joke But this is Fact Im Arab And I Know This:)
Arabs And Turkich Have Large Hearts May be thats why THEY Fall in Love So Fast hahahahah...
Well For me My Heart is Proprety To Just One Wonderfull Polish Women It Took us Years To Fall In Love And Now After All This Years We Both Beleave That The best thing we Did In Life Is To Love Each Other:)
Well Turkich and othman Empire .....then Arabs.... and now im talking about My Wife Aniu hahahahaha....

 
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Spade
  Jul 9, 08, 07:55  #506

Rock, Why do you keep fingering BB & party in this thread? Enough is enough :D

 
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Wroclaw Boy GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 9, 08, 08:00  #507

rock:
You are in a conflict. Where is the respect ? You call Kur'an an ugly book. Muslims never insult other religions and their holy books. You say you respect me but you insult my religion.

Im with ya Rock Muslims are nice people, that is of course when there not flying plains into buildings and blowing up trains.

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ShelleyS
Edited by: ShelleyS  Jul 9, 08, 08:03  #508

rock:
I will repeat again ''Turkey is secular''. Have you ever visited Turkey ?


I have and I have to admit I enjoyed it, it was a few years ago I was there - I saw no women in head scarves or looking remotely like the muslim women in the UK...Turkey is most definately a secular country. I saw men sipping raky and playing board games and women working in shops.... ;0)

But in all honestly I dont quite see where Turkey would fit in the EU...

 
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Wroclaw Boy GOLD MEMBER
  Jul 9, 08, 08:18  #509

ShelleyS:
But in all honestly I dont quite see where Turkey would fit in the EU...

ShellyS did you go there for the Turkish men?

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rock
  Jul 9, 08, 11:59  #510

Wroclaw Boy:
Im with ya Rock Muslims are nice people, that is of course when there not flying plains into buildings and blowing up trains.


Thank you. But I think to be nice or not isn't about the religion. Who can approve killing people ? We Turks are sad for Americans. But do you really believe islamic terorists have the capacity to organize and realize this. It is unbelievable. We have to think a little, who utilized from this ? Of course, global powers not the muslims. If terorists who called themselves muslim realized this, we don't accept them as muslims.

ShelleyS:
I have and I have to admit I enjoyed it, it was a few years ago I was there - I saw no women in head scarves or looking remotely like the muslim women in the UK...Turkey is most definately a secular country. I saw men sipping raky and playing board games and women working in shops.... ;0)

But in all honestly I dont quite see where Turkey would fit in the EU...


I was very disappointed in this thread. Beacuse I read very few good words for Turks.
Thank you for your comments. You know about Turks and try to understand what I say.

 
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