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Marek
  May 16, 08, 07:37  #61

The Osman Empire and the Austro-Polish connection date back a ways, since the 17th century ay least, and so many of the daily amenities which Europeans simply take for granted, owe their existence in large part to Turkish culture, e.g. 'kawa' (coffee) which, of course, is of Turkish origin and a staple of almost everyone's day!
Even the very ritual of dining while seated or also reclining for pleasure is of Turkish origin, albeit the non-urban dwellers up until this day, may well eat seated on the floor rather than on chairs as is the Western tradition.

All of the above may already be common knowledge, yet given the nature of this topic post, I felt somehow that it bears repeating. -:)

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 16, 08, 08:15  #62

"e.g. 'kawa' (coffee) which, of course, is of Turkish origin"


No, it isn't...they imported it as did everybody else!

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"...Coffee is a widely-consumed stimulant beverage prepared from roasted seeds, commonly called coffee beans, of the coffee plant. Coffee was first consumed in the 9th century, when it was discovered in the highlands of Ethiopia.[1] From there, it spread to Egypt and Yemen, and by the 15th century had reached Armenia, Persia, Turkey, and northern Africa. From the Muslim world, coffee spread to Italy, then to the rest of Europe and the Americas.[2] Today, coffee is one of the most popular beverages worldwide.[3]..."


It seems that may bears repeating!

"..Coffee use can be traced at least to as early as the 9th century, when it appeared in the highlands of Ethiopia.[1] According to legend, Ethiopian shepherds were the first to observe the influence of the caffeine in coffee beans when the goats appeared to "dance" and to have an increased level of energy after consuming wild coffee berries.[12] The legend names the shepherd "Kaldi." From Ethiopia, coffee spread to Egypt and Yemen.[13] It was in Arabia that coffee beans were first roasted and brewed similarly as they are today. By the 15th century, it had reached the rest of the Middle East, Persia, Turkey, and northern Africa.

In 1583, Leonhard Rauwolf, a German physician, gave this description of coffee after returning from a ten year trip to the Near East:[14]..."


So absolutely NOT "of turkish origin"!

Marek:
Even the very ritual of dining while seated or also reclining for pleasure is of Turkish origin


Erm...so the Europeans stood all the time till the turks showed them how to sit???

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Marek
  May 16, 08, 09:00  #63

Hallo, Bratbursche!

Obwohl es stimmt, das 'kawa' keinen tuerkischen Ursprung hat, ist es wahr, dass die Tuerken den Europaeischen Hofadligen einen hoeheren Lebensstil verliehen hatten.

The Turks indeed endowed the European nobility with a higher standard of living!

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SeanBM
  May 16, 08, 09:21  #64

I like roast Turkey for my Christmas dinner!

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 16, 08, 09:22  #65

Erm...now after admitting that coffee is so not of turkish origin why not dispell with your other myths?

If you mean the history of chairs and stools you mentioned before - we have the Egypts, the Chinese and even the Greeks:

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"...The earliest known form of Greek chair, going back to five or six centuries BCE, had a back but stood straight up, front and back. ..."


"...In Europe, it was owing in great measure to the Renaissance that the chair ceased to be a privilege of state, and became a standard item of furniture whoever could afford to buy it. Once the idea of privilege faded the chair speedily came into general use. We find almost at once that the chair began to change every few years to reflect the fashions of the hour.


...but again nothing about turks!

So...the european nobility did drink their non-turkish coffee quite comfy on not-turkish chairs....anything else?

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z_darius
  May 16, 08, 09:25  #66

Bratwurst Boy:
Erm...now after admitting that coffee is so not of turkish origin why not dispell with your other myths?

What about the flying carpets?
Or were these from somewhere else?

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 16, 08, 09:27  #67

z_darius:
What about the flying carpets?


:):):)

I think that was from the fairytales of 1001 nights, wasn't it?
(And that's arabic if I remember it correctly...)

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z_darius
  May 16, 08, 09:29  #68

Bratwurst Boy:
I think that was from the fairytales of 1001 nights, wasn't it?

What do you mean fairly tales?
Due to high gasoline prices I was considering getting one to commute to work.

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 16, 08, 09:33  #69

Hehe...any further and I expect to see them coming! :)

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Bartolome
  May 16, 08, 09:36  #70

z_darius:
What about the flying carpets?

Persia. Not Turkey :)

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z_darius
  May 16, 08, 09:38  #71

Bartolome:
Persia. Not Turkey :)

Which included good parts of Modern Turkey, didn't it ;)

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 16, 08, 09:40  #72

Isn't Persia Iran???

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Bartolome
Edited by: Bartolome  May 16, 08, 09:40  #73

z_darius:
Which included good parts of Modern Turkey, didn't it ;)

Yeah, but Persia was there FIRST.

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Marek
Edited by: Marek  May 16, 08, 09:53  #74

Bratwurst, is German your mother tongue?? Only one misspelling in my post ('das' instead of correct 'dass'!!-:) ), my sources indicate that civilization moved historcially in Europe from South on up North, rather than vice-versa. When the Turks were at the height of their Empire, you Northern Europeans were sitting around eating mead and throwing bones at one another!

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 16, 08, 10:01  #75

If "dass" then "daß" please!

And till now your "posts" show a concerning lack of knowledge...bring some links which show turkish superiority to Europeans first! *waits*
PS: I wonder why no European stands in the queue to join the famous turkish empire!!! :):):)
Oh...and just for the record: How would you describe the Roman Empire and the Greek civilization??? All far BEFORE the Ottomans learned to fart!

The Culture of Greece has evolved over thousands of years, with its beginnings in the Mycenaean and Minoan Civilizations, continuing most notably into Classical Greece, through the influence of the Roman Empire and its Greek Eastern successor the Byzantine Empire


The Latin term Imperium Romanum (Roman Empire), probably the best-known Latin expression where the word imperium denotes a territory, indicates the part of the world under Roman rule. Roman expansion began in the days of the Republic, but reached its zenith under Emperor Trajan. At this territorial peak, the Roman Empire controlled approximately 5,900,000 km² (2,300,000 sq mi) of land surface. Because of the Empire's vast extent and long endurance, Roman influence upon the language, religion, architecture, philosophy, law and government of nations around the world lasts to this da


Compare THAT to the turks...

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Bartolome
Edited by: Bartolome  May 16, 08, 10:05  #76

Bratwurst Boy:
"daß"

Wasn't there some language reform in Germany a while ago ? I thought that 'das scharfe s' was replaced by 'ss".
Bratwurst Boy:
PS: I wonder why no European stands in the queue to join the famous turkish empire!!! :):):)

Yeah, it's quite the opposite: Turkey wants to join the EU !

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 16, 08, 10:06  #77

Bartolome:
I thought that 'das scharfe s' was replaced by 'ss".


There was! But some steadfast people are going to ignore that!

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Bartolome
  May 16, 08, 10:08  #78

Bratwurst Boy:
There was! But some steadfast people are going to ignore that!

Hehe, it's just the lot of reforms :)

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Marek
Edited by: Marek  May 16, 08, 10:09  #79

'dass' since the Spelling Reform, thank you!! In Switzerland, the 'sharp s' never existed.

Your English is rather passable. I was raised with German at home as well as English., so it'd better be excellent! What's your excuse?

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Marek
Edited by: Marek  May 16, 08, 12:05  #80

Bartolome,

As I already posted, the 'esszet' never really existed in Switzerland, which therefore feels itself technically exempt from the rules of the German Spelling Reform (deutsche Rechtschreibereform), officially observed in Germany as well as Austria!

Incidentally, my remarks conerning Turkish 'superiority' were meant to include the ancients as a group, along with the Romans, Greeks, Chaldeans (the first astronomers and mathematicians!) and Egyptians.

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 16, 08, 13:25  #81

Noch nie davon gehört???
Never heard of that???

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If authentic, the find reconfirms that the astronomical knowledge and abilities of the people of the European Bronze Age included close observation of the yearly course of the Sun, and the angle between its rising and setting points at summer and winter solstice. While Stonehenge and the Neolithic "circular ditches" such as the 5th millennium BC Goseck circle were used to mark the solstices, the disk is the oldest known "portable" instrument to allow such measurements.


Sie gilt als die weltweit älteste konkrete Himmelsdarstellung (Is seen as the worlds oldest mapping of the sky!)


Throwing meat and bones at each other, huh???
Let's see...we don't need the turks for coffee, for reclining, nor for astronomy ....what else?
Man, you need to go out more....

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Marek:
Incidentally, my remarks conerning Turkish 'superiority' were meant to include the ancients as a group, along with the Romans, Greeks, Chaldeans (the first astronomers and mathematicians!) and Egyptians.


Umm...did you ask the Romans or Greeks or Egyptians if they want to be grouped with TURKS??? :):):)

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Marek
Edited by: Marek  May 16, 08, 17:01  #82

German anti-Turkish stereotypes notwithstanding, the Turks are of course considered the 'fertile crescent' (der Entstehungsort der abendlaendischen Kultur), indeed grouped as part of the great Empire builders of old!

Vor geraumer Zeit sei der Koenigliche Hof Konstantinoples einer der prunkhaftesten des Abendlandes. In days of old the Royal Court at Constantinople (later Istanbul) was said to be the most resplendent in all of Christendom. It is understood though, that Turkey was and remains a Muslim nation!! By 'Christendom', I actually meant 'the known world at that time'. Apologies for not being more precise! -:) LOL

As far as not knowing that the 'scharfe s' is still not used in Switzerland, you have but merely to crack open any book printed or published in Switzerland to see that this ligature is simply NOT used!

By the by, Bratwurst Boy, 'eating mead' is not a misspelling of 'meat'!!! Here, your English fails you momentarily. 'Mead' is the Old English word for the sort of gruel (porridge = Hafergruetze) people in England around the time of King John I used to eat, not 'meat' (Fleisch)

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 17, 08, 02:45  #83

Yeah...you keep repeating that but I'm still not convinced!
Maybe they are considered as the "fertile crescent" in YOUR household but surely not in the rest of Europe!
Show me some things of real turkish origin the Europeans can't do without please.

And this topic is about TURKS not Egypts, not Greeks nor any other empire building nation *points at thread header*

Are you a turk?

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7seas
Edited by: 7seas  May 17, 08, 03:56  #84

dear friends,first of all I want to state that everyone is free to like or not to like anyone he/she wants.This discussion isnt useful and logical if you ask me.I dont feel happy when someone says "I like Turks" but I really feel dissappointed when someone says "I hate Turks,Turks are blah blah". You say "Turks" to people living in The Republic Of Turkey, but this country consists of 70 million people plus millions of citizens abroad. Yes Turkish culture is corrupted recently, TR citizens do ashaming things abroad and in their country,but anyway,better dont make general judgements about "Turks" as you call,even myself may not know many good Turkish people altough Im from Turkey,but I know theres myself at least.And dont judge one of the oldest nations in the world and its ancient culture in a simple chat like discussion please, then you will have done a big mistake to humankind and history.Comparing TR culture to islamic cultures&communities is even ridiculous.You can see that islam culture and TR culture has been parallel only for a short time,even less than "some" for TR history.Haven't you -european brothers/sisters- suffered enough from WW2 which has started by the racist ideas?..

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 17, 08, 04:02  #85

7seas:
And dont judge one of the oldest nations in the world and its ancient culture in a simple chat like discussion please


I'm shaking in my boots!

PS: I don't know about the Turks in Turkey, (they can do as they want to as far as I'm concerned) but I heartily dislike the turks in Germany - and I see and experience them daily! Sue me!

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7seas
Edited by: 7seas  May 17, 08, 04:08  #86

Dear friend,please dont take a particular part of my reply and talk on it.You first take a part of my reply about history and then tell about your own experiences,bad people around dont make Turkish history less...
Do you know me?Let me say "no",so how can you dislike me?!Youre going quite wrong,you may hate the image or concept you have in your mind but if you say you dislike me,then Im afraid you havent learnt much from your recent history,when your country was made a flat terrain because of bombs and righteous reaction of the nations suffered because of German racism. And yes close your eyes and ears but Turkish history is much older than many other nations,and many people in europe has "Turkic" roots.Advise:Dont judge history take lessons from it and dont hate/love nations,have emotions about each person.

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 17, 08, 04:21  #87

You don't know me but call me "dear friend"??? Get lost...Europe doesn't need Turks!

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7seas
Edited by: 7seas  May 17, 08, 04:25  #88

Yes people I dont know are friends for me,I dont take people as potential enemies like you,and now you speak to me personally?Let me say I dont go anywhere but you may visit a doctor for your black mind.I wish we could make a good discussion without your non sense replies.By the way,have I said europe needs turks?And are you representing Europe?full of hate,childish...

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Guest
  May 17, 08, 07:10  #89

Bratwurst Boy:

You don't know me but call me "dear friend"??? Get lost...Europe doesn't need Turks!


What a b1tch attitude You have got, go bang your head on the wall You trojan horse



                              
 
isisores
Edited by: isisores  May 17, 08, 07:22  #90

Bratwurst Boy:
You don't know me but call me "dear friend"??? Get lost...Europe doesn't need Turks!

he calls you "dear friend" obviously because of he doesn't know you. if he knew how retarded person you were then he wouldn't say this of course. yes you deserve to be called "dear prick" instead of "dear friend".

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