Poles' tolerance towards other Races

I wonder why there are not more Germans smoking nargiles in their yards or in cafes.
You mean your cousins mixed with Skandinavians?

Right now all this MultiKulti seems to backfire....

What was planned as a peaceful mixing not only lead now to a polarizing of groups of people along ethnic lines, in Germany at least people start to ask uncomfortable (for Multikultis uncomfortable that is) questions...more and more try to define what it means to be German, European...our heritage, our roots...awareness about what we are about to give up is on the rise.

Most turks still live in some few Ghettos in few of the biggest cities, in so called parallel societies with barely any contact to Germans...hence the immense language problems of many of their offspring, therefore nearly unable to integrate!
But also because of the unwillingness of many Germans to just to accept them.

So...instead of a mixing the social reality points to more segregation!

Right.At least the Germans have the guts to admit it.

I'm as white as a cue ball, BB. But just because I'm white doesn't mean I can't see the inconsistancies in our society.

And why are you speaking that disrespectful of your own people?
Would you dare to speak that derogatory about...say...african or asian societies?
Or is that not "political correct"?

My "own people" have done enough disrepectful things to others, a little back from withen isn't going to hurt anybody. I don't speak "derogatory," I try as much as I can to speak the truth and I call things the way I see them. Race mixing does not bring "racial heritage" under attack. I wouldn't dream of forcing it on anyone, nor would I condone resistance to it. White people have been privalegded for thousands of years (myself included) and a little race mixing isn't going to change that, because that's been going on for thousands of years as well.

I never knew you were THAT old !
Evil vampire offspring :)
And, no, we (as the white race) have never been privileged. The fact that Europeans conquered much of the world was a technological (and political) achievement, not a privilege given to us by some Higher Power. Did the Arabs (XIII century or so) or Turks (XVIII-XIX century) pull back from Europe because they thought "Damn, we're unjust to those poor little white bastards, we ought to leave them in peace? Or were they driven back by force by people who defended their lands?

The fact that you come from a nation that had colonized a new continent, slaughtered its native inhabitants and brought hundreds of thousands of slave labour from Africa, doesn't give you the knowledge and the right to teach Europeans how they should behave against other races (or even other nations of the same race) on their very own soil.
My home is my castle used to be a popular saying, maybe we should have the right to be the host in our country, not the hostage.

It must be the most racist crap I ever said, as I could hardly agree with any kind of discrimination, my point is that it's up to us decide whom we perceive as a friendly guest (in the future possible "family member") and whom as an intruder in our "home".

Where do you think the people who "slaughtered [the] native inhabitants and brough hundreds of thousands of slave labour from Africa" came from? I'm not telling Europeans how to do anything. If you or anyone are against race mixing that's your perogative. However, that doesn't mean that historically race mixing hasn't had positive results. Listen, I'm all for "friendly guests" but I'm also for friendly and accomodating hosts. People for the most part move to make better lives for themselves not worse lives for the people their moving next to. But both parties have to meet each other eye to eye.



Rubbish. Plain and simple.

I'm not, but the fact the you are for it that's only your business, not something you can impose on another continent.


You really have the problem with that word, don't you? Privilege is a superiority (under diverse aspects) granted to you. As far as I'm concerned I don't recall any powers granting the white race with anything.

Why???

Do you think just because of being white/european your ancestors were born with a golden spoon in their mouths?

I will tell you what...the advantage was hard worked for and deserved.
Remember...we all started out from the same valley somewhere in Africa! But it's the whites which did most for the development of the world in the history of mankind...did you ever asked yourself WHY???

Maybe I had better things to do......perhaps you could enlighten us? (but I seriously doubt it)

You disagree?

Plain and Simple, Yes. That statement wouldn't be supported by any educated historian in the world.

Really? You want to tell that africans or indians or whatever did more innovations and developments than the whites?

Do you have a source?
(I'm not talking the mesopotamian wheel or arabic numbers here...I'm talking the sum!)

Some stories become legends, some never make it to main stream consciousness. We all know about Boston Tea Party. But do we all know what was the real and immediate cause of that party and the rebellion/independence to follow? Do we know that Europeans (namely the British monarchy) got in trouble with the Colonists because the Monarchy signed away the Indian Country (roughly the vast area in and around Illionois), The good-hearted settlers were pissed as they were about to be legally bound not to expand their presence towards the west anymore.

The couple centuries to follow weren't exactly years of racial nirvana either, and Martin Luther King was killed for making sure Americans paid attention to that.

You see... if someone makes a post with a statement that Poland is not worldly enough because of insufficient number of Africans and Asians why are you not looking closer at that racist statement?

What exactly is wrong with white people in Poland that they allegedly need some race mixing? That's what Poland is - it's inhabited by white people. They like it that way so let them decide if they want a change.

What exactly is wrong with some of the most liberal countries in the world that they bend over for the scum that ruins they way of life they worked for. Dutch, Norwegians or Swedes - other than being, per capita, the largest donors of foreign aid, what dd they do wrong to deserve the mess their countries are in?

Again, using what Krzysztof reminded us of, "my home is my castle" is a good way to put it. If the piece of garbage, whether he's black, pink or translucent, who made that racist post about Poland doesn't like it there then I wouldn't have a problem if he was shown the way out of the country and back to where he came from. I also sincerely hope that he is nabbed for his overstay in Poland and gets what he deserves from one of the more overzealous Polish cops, or fellow inmates in some county jail.

Was that aimed at me? Bboy?...............perhaps if you answered the question, I'd be more inclined to waste my time replying.

Waiting with baited breath!

G

You're saying that whites aren't priva

Even, if I grant that argument (which I don't), you say that whites had to earn their "superiority" but that was thousands of years ago. If you're not privileged, then what have YOU specifically done to "earn" the "superiority" that you claim. This question goes to Krzysztof as well.

Listen, I'm proud and happy to be white. But were lucky, plain and simple. And we haven't a clue what it is to be disinfranshised.

Hmm...no need to "waste your time" boy!
Nobody forces you to steep down and waste your time with a lowlife like me...:)

I don't know how I could possible enlighten a smart all knowing like you...
I was just asking an innocent question:
How it came that as we all started out the same it was the white race which conquered most of the world? Nothing more....

"Muslim integration"?
What do you mean by that? I thought were were trying to have a serious dsicussion here but you're just a joker.
Muslim integration. hahaha!

Yeah, allahu akbar.

Thousands of years ago??? And then??? We got retarded or what???



Some 400 years back after the 30 years war Germany lays in shambles...1/3 of the population was murdered...a whole generation traumatized living in abject desolation, hunger and destruction.
They came out of it!

1945
Germany lays in shambles. The pariah of the world. 1/4 of the territory lost, 12 Million refugees had to be given shelter and food additionally to the famine and destruction!
They came out of it!

1989
Germany get's re-united. A huge, immeasurable task starts to bring Eastern Germany up to western standards. Additionally to that the European Union needs to be supported and paid for. The world expects nothing less but a full success from the Germans even if other countries would be totally overwhelmed with such a task...and we did it! We are still doing it! Me to!
We are coming out of it...again!
Germany is again successfull!

Why is that that so many people want to flee into the US and Europe that the borders have to be guarded....everything just because we are "privileged"? No...we work hard for it! Damned hard...and it's not always that easy as you are making it out to be!

.............oh, that explains it, silly me!

You truly are a beacon of light in our dark labyrinth of tolerance. ...........now **** off and go to bed little boy.

And your answer to my question would be?

like I said, ..............I couldn't be bothered to think about it, but you're obviously are an expect so give us the benifit of your superior wisdom and enlighten us ass hole!

Why don't you just answer my little question?
Getting rude is so easy....it seems the question seems to bother you
that much to that you try to offend me!

define white?

Nö...

I'm with BW on that one. I see no luck in any of it. You may consider yourself lucky to be born into a society that had the will to achieve what it did, but as a collective entity, that society worked hard for where it is, and for what now is in danger of collapse.

I also think that as Europeans (including and perhaps mostly those who established the US of A) know very well what it meant to be disenfranchised. Many of them left their home countries BECAUSE they were disenfranchised in their own countries, and they and established societies with somewhat decent social, political and economic structures. Of course they are far from perfect but nevertheless the areas with this and similar systems are a magnet for all others.

Now what did the disenfranchised people of other backgrounds do? Where is South Africa now? Former Rhodesia? How did the freed American slaves do in Liberia? Ever considered emigrating to Liberia? Heck, even Africans stay away from the place and choose to move on North or West across the Atlantic. How is the ethnic mixing doing in Darfur?

European way of life is in grave danger of islamisation and that is not a good sign at all. It's nice and dandy to exchange cultural experiences but when those foreign experiences and their representatives threaten the very core and nature of the societies which are nice enough to give them shelter, then expect trouble.

The only sure thing in this world is change, so it is likely that the "privileged position" you admit you have will be gone and unavailable to others in the future. If Muslims will have it their way you will look at privilege not from an ethnic point of view but from the gender one. You will consider yourself lucky to not be a woman.

Maybe that's your problem ...
Calling for a tollerance in one post and calling names in the next one because you don't agree with someone else's POV.


I'm not privileged. I was born a citizen of this country and I had to accept the duties this fact carries and the benefits it offers.
Ever heard of heritage? My forefathers built and shaped this country, for hundreds (or even thousands) of years, I inherited that from them, I'm adding my part to the job and some day will leave it to the next generation, that's how it works.
If I had to emigrate (because my life would be unbearable in this country) I would go to a place that would accept me, and I would accept what they expect from me or move on further in search of a place I fit in.

You see Poland had had significant minorities over the ages, we lost them not so long ago, because of WWII (Jews) and the borders shifting after that war (eastern parts of Poland), so we didn't chase them the hell out of Poland (this probably applies only to Germans, but we had reasons, no place to discuss it right now).
People from different countries were living here and they had their privileges (granted by Poland's rulers), they had their religions, customs and traditions, but they were at the same time subject to Polish laws and they didn't try to introduce theirs.

Mixing of the cultures and gen pools is fine as long as it happens spontaneously, two people (from different races, or at least nations) fall in love, they have babies, bring up those children imparting to them the traditions of both cultures (and teaching them to accept the host country's rules). Mutual agreement that's what it should be.
From your posts, however, I got the impression that you would like somehow to "order" race mixing as a rule, it never was and probably never will be.

You say that race mixing was historically beneficial, but why did it happen? Some people were invaded, women raped or people chose to "mix" with the invader to get some privileges, to make their lives better. But the first impulse was to fight, to defend their land. Now that invasions don't happen that often, most countries have some kind of immigration laws to prevent uncontrolled influx of human masses.

Germany, for example, is one of many European Union countries that doesn't allow Poles to work (hence settle, unless you're that reach that you can live in Germany and work somewhere else) there freely (like UK and some smaller countries did). They're doing it to prevent their (economic) heritage, they've worked for what they have and don't want to give it to 2-5 millions Poles that would "invade" their land if the labour market was completely open. I don't see a problem with that. And I don't see Polish people being outraged by the fact that Germans deny us their privileges (because according to your reasoning they are much more privileged than us).

It is short sighted policy,the Germans will see the consequences if they continue to rely exclusively on their own and turkish labor.

Today we see 20 million less Russians than in 1991 because life expectancy in Russia has dropped to 58 years for men.2 million less Poles in Poland who have immigrated.10 million less Ukrainians(from 58 million to 48 million) in Ukraine.Hundreds of thousands of Serbs less because of the war.
All this implies that there is serious reduction in number of slavic folks.In my opinion what Europe needs is an increase of slavic population at least to pre-1991 levels and even more.Slavic countries have to increase the birth rates to prevent the invasion of non-whites who inevitably will come to fill in the gaps.

All western countries face that birth-problem.

But that hasn't to be a probem! To have many children is a third world thing because these are often the only means for the parents to have a guarantee of surviving (and of the high child death rate).

The more rich and sophisticated the societies become the less is the need to breed like rabbits.
Additionally uncontrolled breeding is conterproductive to the goal to retain a inhabitable world...there are only so far humans the world can bear.

PS: The mutual agreement of restraints for labour forces on one side and the possibility to buy land on the other side are ending soon I think...