How Poles truly feel about their situation in Poland and being in EU?

It seems so strange coming from someone who has never even been to Poland or at least there is no evidence of any actual personal past experience. You seem quite insecure, someone who probably even quite late in life would lean on you mother with very few real friends and someone who would find it difficult to stay in a long term relationship. I am not a psychologist but through your writings there are some interesting trends. I have a friend, of Spanish origin, who lives in London and actually married one of my Polish friends from Czestochowa. He has completed a phd in this very area. I should try and get his advice after showing some of your posts.

Kmiot, I doubt If you have at least one...

Down with kmiot ! Crush the psychopat.

re: one of my Polish friends from Czestochowa

- Are these alleged friends of yours as 'Polish' as you are?

How is Mrs Wolinska-Brus doing nowadays?
:)

You rape "new" countries in EU, I wouldnt say its nothing except the bill.

I never raped anyone, nor have I raped any country. As far as I'm concerned you're my sister and I love you unconditionally.

And I really don't expect anything in return, you'll discover the truth yourself one day, so have a nice day Ola. :)

Nice response :)

Why what are you going to crush me with? Your useless recently gained Polish degree which in Sweden qualifies you to sweep the streets?

No, even more so

Why do you think this Michal?

I believe what your saying, but I feel its important to stress that it wasn't only Poland.
Friends or people I've met from Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, even the Ukraine have similar stories.

The schizophrenic mindset of which your writing was the norm for communisim, not the exception, based on what I've heard.

I suppose modern 'capitalist/socialist' governments in the West have similar contradictions. We tax [punish] those who work hard through the balls, and the people who are too lazy to go out and get a job get social welfare [reward].

Learn your own language, clown.



Kmiot, unlike you I don't have to work in Tesco, so don't worry about me.

re: I believe what your saying

- Which is a mistake, I'm afraid. First of all, the British, and especially the English, had an excellent image with the Poles during communism, in spite of the official commie state 'anti-Western' propaganda. There was great admiraton for 'the English' ( i.e. 'Anglicy', the term still used in Poland to describe all the British) e.g. thanks to the British rock (The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Police, etc.). Only very orthodox party activists would fly red flags. There was a widespread dislike of and contempt for the Russians among the vast majority of Poles. The nation was firmly anti-commie. The evidence of this is the great anti-commie outbursts in 1956, 1970, 1976, 1980 (Solidarity). After a while, when the Gierek government liberalised the ban on Western goods, the Pewex shops were open, where one could buy for 'Western' money goods such as blue jeans or Nesca coffee. If you were lucky to have family abroad, you could buy in those stores. What would be so odd about it? The Poles were impoverished by the Russian rip-off. Isn't it much odder that former commie creeps, such as michal, born, raised, and educated in commie Poland - creeps who contributed heavily to the communist oppression of the Poles - were allowed, due to their ethnicity, to immigrate to 'the West' and were taken in with open arms, and were and still are free to vilify Poland and Poles? All this for the purpose of diverting attention from their own dirty deeds. Yeah, how's that that scores of commie criminals were allowed to settle and live comfortably in 'the West'?' Do you have an answer to this, dannyboy? And do you know who Helena Wolinska-Brus is?
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PS. As soon as the communists lost power in Poland in 1989, the Polish government made Poland visa-free for the Britsh. Without mutuality on the latter's part, alas.

Oh no, they did not!

I came a couple of creeps of this kind in The US. Highly educated, for free in commie Poland of course, and first to be absorbed by the west because of the "poor me", I'm prosecuted, attitude. Then, they get busy spreading lies and hatred toward a country, which wiped their newborn arses first.

Historically, Poland was the commie country, who had the most outburst against the system and won at the end. Of course Hungry and Czechoslovakia had them too, but the west was looking the other way allowing russian tanks run-over people in the streets. And, these are not medieval or War II times. This is only 2-3 decades back.

I think that it is fair to say that it was not Poland that brought down Communism even though the Poles want you to think that. Russia and the entire Communist system was already bankrupt and was falling apart. Lech Walesa and Solidarnosc were simply a by-product of the rot which was already flowing out from the crumbling empire. The Polish are good farmers but they are not fighters. I am sure that any Pole would like to disagree with me and obviously Poles have their talents but fighting, historically, has never been their strong point, Hungarians, Russians and Romanians maybe but the poor Poles were always a little out of their depths as to which way to hold the gun!

You just have to continue to insult the Polish people don't you? Brave Polish people who lost their lives fighting for my freedom and yours !!

What on earth are you doing on a Polish Forum is the question I would like to ask you ?

As far as I am concerned you should be banned from this Forum !!

One thing that has to be remembered here is that Poland as it was then, a different Poland with different boarders was one of the first countries to be overthrown in 1939. When I was in Moscow in the 1980's the Poles would say the same thing and yes, it is true, that Poles came to England and engaged the enemy overseas. However, there were many other unsung heros who contributed in proportion to their size of population even more. I am thinking of the many Rhodesians, South Africans, New Zealanders and, by the way, many of these airman in England were in fact Czech! The answer from the Poles I knew in Moscow was always the same, total silence! The Rhodesians were very few on the ground even in their own country yet sacrificed so much of themselves in the name of the U.K. during the last war. These countries had very little in common with the European land mass and could have easily stayed away all together due to their geographic isolation. We thanked them, either by handing the lands in to the hands of Stalin, or, as in the case of Rhodesia, by stabbing them in the back on HMS Tiger with our wonderful British prime Minister, Harold Wilson in the mid 1960's. The Australian and New Zealand contribution we thanked by turning our backs on them we turned instead to Europe. That is why we no longer can buy New Zealand butter, only Dutch, French or Polish rubbish. As an English girl, I would suggest that you read up on your own dreadful history before you shout ban, ban, ban!

rubbish !! utter tripe and rubbish.

not worth spending time on any further replies. you don't know what the heck you are talking about. I never realised how ignorant you were till this evening.

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LiR, his primary objective is to post inflammatory nonsense, and sadly, he is getting away with it...I thought this kind of behavior was forbidden.
It is different, when people state their opinion, good or bad, but his posts are just one track mind rubbish.

....we have new zealand butter, new zealand cheese, new zealand kiwi fruits, new zealand lamb...........er shall I carry on..............I live on planet earth maybe you heard of it ?
I've replied to this part so people can see what nonsense you speak.

I will not reply to any more messages of yours Michal, it is a waste of time to do so :(

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Oh LiR what is he going on about? He's so biased, this is why I gave up on him a few days ago. He's not worth even thinking about. Admin is thinking of banning him (see random chat).

PD x :-)

I read this as a reference the Polish who made their way to England and joined the Free Polish who then went on to fight in North Africa etc

cualann-scottish-books.co.uk/books/lion.htm

Eurola, I have to agree.

I think I have made my views known. I love coming into this forum. But I don't wish to be associated with someone who is so abusive :(

I am struggling with this today :(

...thanks PD. :)

I've been there LiR. Like I said above, read random chat (one page back). Michal is skating on the thin stuff!

I agree. The Polish workers in my company cost more money than employees on contract, but are paid less. It's all about your spending power. I am paid a very good wage compared to a Pole in Poland doing the same job, but I can just about afford to live. I pay my mortgage, pay the bills. Then I can afford some reasonable food, but there's still too much month left at the end of the money.

You don't have to get rid of the zloty. We still have the pound (all that really means is real coins that don't feel like their toy ones made of plastic). Most importantly, you don't have to get rid of the grosz.

Many of us do...and I would never judge posters from UK based on him.

[i] (anyway, we know who he is, but he still doesn't get it)]

You know I think it's kind of sad, because this thread really has the potential for some very stimulating conversation and getting to see things from different perspectives and gain some insight, and instead people start being abusive and start arguing. I hope this thread and ones like in the future can stay on topic better and not get off track by people's hate and narrow minded views.

thanks szkotja.............I know the history from family memebers who were there at the time..........sort of first hand information........


look at Michals previous posts..........about the polish people......:(

I don't intend discussing any of Michals posts from now on, he seems to get a kick out of knocking the Polish people, all the time......:( I'm not taking part in it any more.