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How Poles truly feel about their situation in Poland and being in EU?


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Lady in red [Guest]
  Jul 29, 07, 18:36  #61

Quoting: smooth_jazz
this thread really has the potential for some very stimulating conversation



I agree but ridiculing Polish people who fought long and hard during the second world war and lost absolutely everything is not acceptable, in my book.

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ogorek
  Jul 29, 07, 18:38  #62

Quoting: Michal
I am sure that any Pole would like to disagree with me and obviously Poles have their talents but fighting, historically, has never been their strong point


Michal - before you post - check your facts. This was posted by a US soldier earlier.

m33073 - Quote Mar 3, 07, 08:50 . #125

I have not even read the rest of the comments about your topic or subject but this pisses me off BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Polish jokes exist for one reason and one reason only. Your country is very Catholic. There is A LOT of Anti-Catholicism in the world. Your country and your country men "stick to your guns" you never have to explain for that or make apologies for that. That is what REAL MEN AND WOMEN DO!!! So would you rather be a Frenchman who gave up the capital of their country in 6 weeks? Your fore-father's fought, they fought hard, and they knew they would probably be slaughtered. They ******* fought anyway. That is what men and woman do. Dogs bark, babies cry, and men fight. I am a US soldier. I have been to hell and back. Came home and gone back to hell again. I have fought next to Brits, Australians, French, you name it. But holy ******* ****. Give me a ******* Pole in my foxhole and I know I will live to see my family once again. Your Army is ******* BAD ASS!!! You guys may be small but you are definitely not pussies and you fight like there is no tommorrow. They say there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole. ********!!! There is no such thing as having a ******* Pole next to you and know you are going home. You guys are ******* hard core, ass kicking, name taking, sons of ******* (and i mean that in the best possible way, if there is a way to take it). You guys are fun, funny, and professional. Just so everyone who reads this knows, I am not of Polish decent. But ******* A, the US Army loves you guys. We see a Pole and he is an instant friend. Do not worry what these dumb fucks say about you and your heritage, worry about being around a US Soldier and try to keep him from killing some ignorant ******* for insulting you. Do your US Soldier a favor and keep him out of Leavenwoth, dont let him kill an ignorant *******. By the way, the Australians rock too, BIG TIME!!!

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szkotja2007
  Jul 29, 07, 18:41  #63

Quoting: Lady in red
look at Michals previous posts

I take your point.

I had relatives in Rhodesia that flew with the SAAF in WWII so his post struck a chord.

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Lady in red [Guest]
  Jul 29, 07, 18:45  #64

Quoting: szkotja2007
I take your point.



thanks........ :)

I appreciate your post a lot x

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smooth_jazz
  Jul 29, 07, 18:49  #65

Quoting: Lady in red

I agree but ridiculing Polish people who fought long and hard
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I also agree with your point.

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Lady in red [Guest]
  Jul 29, 07, 18:53  #66

Quoting: smooth_jazz
I also agree with your point.


thanks :)

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ogorek
  Jul 29, 07, 18:58  #67

Quoting: Michal
but they are not fighters.


Michal - who took Monte Casino when nobody else could?

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ogorek
  Jul 29, 07, 19:00  #68

Quoting: Michal
has never been their strong point



Michal - who defeated the Turks at the seige of Vienna (and saved Europe)?

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ogorek
  Jul 29, 07, 19:01  #69

Quoting: Michal
Poles were always a little out of their depths



Michal - who defeated the Tutonic Knights at the battle of Grunwald?

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Grzegorz_
  Jul 29, 07, 19:02  #70

Quoting: ogorek
who defeated the Turks


Michal with his buddies from Tesco.

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ogorek
  Jul 29, 07, 19:05  #71

Quoting: Michal
obviously Poles have their talents but fighting


you mean kicking the Russians asses in 1920 (probably saving europe again)

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ogorek
  Jul 29, 07, 19:08  #72

Bye bye Michal

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dannyboy
Edited by: dannyboy  Jul 29, 07, 20:42  #73

I don't think Poland will have the Euro until 2015 at the earliest, it is supposed to be the last of the A-10 countries to get it due to economic complications.

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Eurola
  Jul 29, 07, 20:46  #74

Ahmmm...there will be a lot of bickering between the EU nations?

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Ranj
  Jul 29, 07, 20:47  #75

Quoting: dannyboy
Any chance we could get back on topic?

That would be soooo nice!

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Krzysztof
  Jul 29, 07, 21:35  #76

off topic

Quoting: Michal
Today, 17:19 #48
The answer from the Poles I knew in Moscow was always the same,


just read this sentence and you'll know where Michal used to get all his answers


Quoting: Michal
Yesterday, 15:34 #24
I would be in Warsaw and they would fly all the nice red flags trying to be Moscow's top dog


Some were trying, indeed, some other were just conformists or people completely unaware of politics nor interested in it, but most people were simply forced to it, because every factory and school had presence lists checked, and who didn't appear at the parade would face annoying consequences, at work or at school. (That's why for example North Koreans have always almost 100% frequency at their elections).
There was an amount of Polish white-red flags and commie red flags, they were handed to you by the school principal, and everybody was praying to avoid them, especially those red. If you got one, you were trying to bully some teacher's pets into taking over from you, or worst case to exchange it for a white-red flag

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dannyboy
  Jul 30, 07, 08:27  #77

Quoting: Krzysztof
Some were trying, indeed, some other were just conformists or people completely unaware of politics nor interested in it, but most people were simply forced to it, because every factory and school had presence lists checked, and who didn't appear at the parade would face annoying consequences, at work or at school. (That's why for example North Koreans have always almost 100% frequency at their elections).
There was an amount of Polish white-red flags and commie red flags, they were handed to you by the school principal, and everybody was praying to avoid them, especially those red. If you got one, you were trying to bully some teacher's pets into taking over from you, or worst case to exchange it for a white-red flag


Amazing to see how the politics even affected the children down to such basic levels.

When i was young, it probably would have been an honour to carry the tri-colour at the St.Patrick's day parade, but I'm guessing, realistically we probably weren't too corcerned.

Then again, if I really think hard, I can remember similar things to what you described except they involved religious matters and the Catholic church in Ireland.

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 10:51  #78

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Michal with his buddies from Tesco.

You would be surprised what an army of Tescos trolleys can do!

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 10:55  #79

Quoting: szkotja2007
had relatives in Rhodesia that flew with the SAAF in WWII so his post struck a chord.

Ian Smith was a spitfire or a Hurricane fighter pilot (I can not remember which) in England during World War 2 and got badly burnt during his actions yet nobody ever seems to thank them for their contribution and it was considerable too.

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 11:02  #80

Quoting: Eurola
t is different, when people state their opinion, good or bad, but his posts are just one track mind rubbish.

I never intended to be one track minded. I simply wanted to point out that many people from all over the World made contributions during World War 2 not only the Polish. It was not in anyway even anti Polish. I just want to remember members of own my family, sadly no longer with us, who came from South Africa and flew from bases in the U.K. Nobody ever remembers them at all.

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 11:04  #81

Quoting: Eurola
is primary objective is to post inflammatory nonsense, and sadly, he is getting away with it...I

There was nothing anti Polish ever intended and it seems strange that you so think about Poland that you prefer live in the United States of America!

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eric_the_nave
  Aug 2, 07, 14:03  #82

Quoting: Michal
Poles have their talents but fighting, historically, has never been their strong point, Hungarians, Russians and Romanians maybe but the poor Poles were always a little out of their depths as to which way to hold the gun


I have seen many sledges delivered towards the Poles but this one has got to be the biggest load of b/s I have ever seen. And you don't have to know much about history to know that it is rubbish

Quoting: Michal
There was nothing anti Polish ever intended


Really? You were that anti Polish by accident???

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 15:29  #83

What has any of this got anything to do with Poland being in the E.U.?

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 15:39  #84

Quoting: eric_the_nave
Really? You were that anti Polish by acciden

I am not really anti Polish, I am just pleased that I do not live there and that is not necessarily the same thing.

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Patrycja19
  Aug 2, 07, 16:47  #85

Michal come clean.. your here to irritate or educate?

I would prefer the educate,, you know something about poland that is nice ??

it would be educational to hear something that is more positive coming from you
and others .. I think you can do this.. cant you?

what is the more positive things you experienced in Poland? you have been there
right ?

:)

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 18:09  #86

I am not allowed to go there now. I have not been there for some years. Sometimes my wife buys tickets to go to Poland and I usually say "a, dobry pomysl, ja tez chce jechac z wami" to which she replies "z toba, zartujesz! Za cztery dni i znowu tak marudzisz, ja wiem co bedzie i potem ja tylko slysze "ja po prostu nudze sie" and to be honest, she is right, so I normally book a ticket in a hotel in Ross-On-Wye or somewhere else on my own and she invades Poland on her own. Anyway, the World is a big place and there are plenty of other things to see, Prague, Buda Pest ect.

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 18:28  #87

Quoting: Patrycja19
is the more positive things you experienced in Poland? you have been there
right ?

I studied Polish in Krakow for a while in the 1980's. I have been as far West as Gorzow Wielkopolski and as far East as Augustow and Bilaystok. I have been to Gdansk, Sopot, and Gdynia and as far south as the Czech Republic so, yes I have seen a lot of the country.

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szkotja2007
  Aug 2, 07, 18:34  #88

Quoting: Michal
Ian Smith was a spitfire or a Hurricane fighter pilot

His Hurricane crashed on take off in 1943 and in 1944 he was shot down in his Spitfire. He served in the RAF with No 237 ( Rhodesia ) Squadron. I believe he is still alive and living in the Cape or thereabouts.

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Michal
  Aug 2, 07, 18:41  #89

Yes, that is right. Strangely his son died some years ago of a heart attack so Ian Smith has outlived him. Yes, he lives in Cap town or Kapstad as it is known in Afrikans. He did go back to Rhodesia for a visit and was threatened with arrest but nobody attempted to resist him on his arrival at Salisbury Airport. After all, he must be in his mid 80's now. I do not know why because everybody called him a 'sod' but I must admit that I always felt sympathy for him. He was a legend, liking him or hating him. He was an essential part modern post war African history.

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Patrycja19
  Aug 2, 07, 21:55  #90

Quoting: Michal
I studied Polish in Krakow for a while in the 1980's. I have been as far West as Gorzow Wielkopolski and as far East as Augustow and Bilaystok. I have been to Gdansk, Sopot, and Gdynia and as far south as the Czech Republic so, yes I have seen a lot of the country.


Thank you :) Which one was the most interesting ?

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