Poles in UK claiming state benefit have cost the taxpayer 45M pounds

Quoting: uk_, Post #100

For example y neighbor's wife earn 130 per week and husband do nothing ( watch TV & eat always)

They are entitled to 150 pound per week as housing benefit & free food for children but they ( pole neighbor) not happy so now trying to appeal and get more then 200 pound per week.

Is it fair earning 150 but claiming more then 200 per week?

Some facts for a silly little person called uk_

As a Brit living in POLAND, and taking advantage of my freedom to work throughout the EU, I'm constantly surprised that well-educated Central and Eastern Europeans want to move to the UK, given the level of ignorance displayed by some, but not all of my fellow countrymen on sites like this. Perhaps it's because they've realised that the competition in the UK is not all that tough as our friend "uk_" has displayed through his ignorance and low level of intelligent discussion.

Here's how it works. There are NOT a fixed number of jobs in the UK, or in any other country. An immigrant worker doesn't "take" a job that someone else has been doing; they take a job that is vacant. And by spending their money in the UK, even on overpriced housing, they create new jobs.

Don't believe me? Look at the figures. In October 2005 (i.e. just after Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, etc) joined the EU, there were 351,000 job vacancies posted in Job Centres in the UK. In October 2006, the comparable figure was 361,000, after a year in which several hundred thousands of immigrants came to the UK to work.

So my question for the economically illiterate among you is this - exactly which jobs did they take?[UK official statistics for the job market available at nomisweb.co.uk ]

And as for the idea that immigrants are here to grow lazy on UK benefits - there are 510,000 Central & Eastern Europeans who have (to date) registered on the Home Office's worker registration scheme. Approximately 55,000 - i.e. 11%- claim tax credits or child benefit. Only 350 are claiming income support, and 859 job seeker's allowance. These figures courtesy of the Daily Mail (22 November), which estimates an annual cost of "up to GBP 60 million."

This may well be right. But hang on a moment - these 510,000 registered immigrants are all legal, and captured in the tax system. Let's assume they all earn the minimum wage only, work for 40 hours a week, and earn GBP 214. Working 45 weeks per year, total income is GBP 9630, and total income tax and national insurance payable GBP 1257. This means the UK govt. gets some GBP 641 million in tax receipts from immigrants - 10 times the amount paid out - and guess what - the balance is spent on services for the rest of us.(OK - the govt. may waste it on silly foreign adventures, but that's another problem).

So my second question for the statistically challenged among you is this - who benefits financially from immigration?

My two points are these. One - immigrants create jobs, and contribute more to the UK than they take out. And two - try and debate on the basis of facts, not ignorance and prejudice.

Let's just hope that some of the children turn out to be good cricketers, rugby players or footballers ... we could do with the help ...

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	iwona
	Dec 2, 06, 09:00 #61 I totally agree with you. My favorite papers are "Wprost", "Newsweek" and of course "Angora". I like Wprost and Neewsweek but I am not so big fun of Angora.... When I read Wprost or even Polityka, I learn something. When I read one of the major newspapers here (with exceptions) I get bored. We have completely different mentality....as you said you learn something interesting.... In UK is like in USA the best hits are...labour MP had sex with his secretary,.....married MP had sex with a man.....plus lots of moanning and in tabloids from bottom range...few half naked girls....	Member Posts: 678 Joined: Aug 6, 06

	uk_
	Dec 2, 06, 20:36 #62 Quoting: iwona, Post #104 has little aducation but very big frustration. I'm working in a very well known american Investment Bank as software programmer. We have around 650 employees from different parts of the world but i swear no poles have chance to work in my place	Member Posts: 136 Joined: Oct 22, 06

	ukpolska
	Dec 3, 06, 00:17 #63 Quoting: uk_, Post #100 For example y neighbor's wife earn 130 per week and husband do nothing ( watch TV & eat always) They are entitled to 150 pound per week as housing benefit & free food for children but they ( pole neighbor) not happy so now trying to appeal and get more then 200 pound per week. Is it fair earning 150 but claiming more then 200 per week? Some facts for a silly little person called uk_ As a Brit living in POLAND, and taking advantage of my freedom to work throughout the EU, I'm constantly surprised that well-educated Central and Eastern Europeans want to move to the UK, given the level of ignorance displayed by some, but not all of my fellow countrymen on sites like this. Perhaps it's because they've realised that the competition in the UK is not all that tough as our friend "uk_" has displayed through his ignorance and low level of intelligent discussion. Here's how it works. There are NOT a fixed number of jobs in the UK, or in any other country. An immigrant worker doesn't "take" a job that someone else has been doing; they take a job that is vacant. And by spending their money in the UK, even on overpriced housing, they create new jobs. Don't believe me? Look at the figures. In October 2005 (i.e. just after Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, etc) joined the EU, there were 351,000 job vacancies posted in Job Centres in the UK. In October 2006, the comparable figure was 361,000, after a year in which several hundred thousands of immigrants came to the UK to work. So my question for the economically illiterate among you is this - exactly which jobs did they take?[UK official statistics for the job market available at nomisweb.co.uk ] And as for the idea that immigrants are here to grow lazy on UK benefits - there are 510,000 Central & Eastern Europeans who have (to date) registered on the Home Office's worker registration scheme. Approximately 55,000 - i.e. 11%- claim tax credits or child benefit. Only 350 are claiming income support, and 859 job seeker's allowance. These figures courtesy of the Daily Mail (22 November), which estimates an annual cost of "up to GBP 60 million." This may well be right. But hang on a moment - these 510,000 registered immigrants are all legal, and captured in the tax system. Let's assume they all earn the minimum wage only, work for 40 hours a week, and earn GBP 214. Working 45 weeks per year, total income is GBP 9630, and total income tax and national insurance payable GBP 1257. This means the UK govt. gets some GBP 641 million in tax receipts from immigrants - 10 times the amount paid out - and guess what - the balance is spent on services for the rest of us.(OK - the govt. may waste it on silly foreign adventures, but that's another problem). So my second question for the statistically challenged among you is this - who benefits financially from immigration? My two points are these. One - immigrants create jobs, and contribute more to the UK than they take out. And two - try and debate on the basis of facts, not ignorance and prejudice. Let's just hope that some of the children turn out to be good cricketers, rugby players or footballers ... we could do with the help ...	Member Posts: 736 Joined: Oct 23, 06

	Frank
	Edited by: Frank Dec 3, 06, 04:35 #64 There ya go......motion carried...well dun ukpolska!	Member Posts: 1456 Joined: Aug 14, 06