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Polish Accusative's: Help required


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ArcticPaul
  May 14, 08, 11:10  #1

I have a task of completing sentences using the correct form of accusative nouns and adjectives.
Example:
Q1. Czekam na ............ [mój brat].
Because it is masc and animate it is:
A1. Czekam na mojego brata.

I am having trouble because I know there are different rules regarding names.............but I have forgotten them!
Q2. Czy czekacie na ...................... [pan Kowalski].
Q3. Czy czekacie na ...................... [profesor Nowak].
Q4. Czekam na ................. [pani Anna].
Q5. Czekam na ................. [pani Lewińska].

If someone could refresh my memory on the rules regarding names in the accusative case it would be a great help.
I seem to remember that -ski is considered an adjective?
Either male or female names do not change?

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polishgirltx
Edited by: polishgirltx  May 14, 08, 11:14  #2

ArcticPaul:
Q2. Czy czekacie na ...................... [pan Kowalski].

...na Pana Kowalskiego?

ArcticPaul:
Q3. Czy czekacie na ...................... [profesor Nowak].

...na profesora Nowaka?

ArcticPaul:
Q4. Czekam na ................. [pani Anna].

...na Panią Anne.

ArcticPaul:
Q5. Czekam na ................. [pani Lewińska].

...na Panią Lewińską.


Maybe somebody else will explain you the rules...

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ArcticPaul
Edited by: ArcticPaul  May 14, 08, 11:20  #3

Thanks Polish girl.

I understand the first example.

Treat as masculine/animate. Pan=Noun/Kowalski=Adjective.

I'll need an explanation for the remaining three.

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benszymanski
  May 14, 08, 12:15  #4

it's because Kowalski is an adjective as has been said, where as Nowak is treated as a noun, hence Nowaka in example 2.

Examples 3 and 4 you have Anna -> Annę (noun fem acc) and Lewińska is an adjective hence Lewińską (adj fem acc).

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ArcticPaul
  May 15, 08, 04:58  #5

First names are nouns.
Surnames are also nouns unless ending with -ski, -ska. In which case they become adjectives.

Am I correct in the above statement?

If I am correct are there any more names/parts of names that are treated as anything other than nouns?

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Krzysztof
Edited by: Krzysztof  May 15, 08, 06:48  #6

ArcticPaul:
Surnames are also nouns unless ending with -ski, -ska. In which case they become adjectives.
Am I correct in the above statement?

Yes, although it's hard to say if those surnames really become adjectives (from the logical point of view), but their declension is identical to adjectives, so grammatically we treat them as adjectives.
This also applies to:
- surnames with -cki/-cka and -dzki/-dzka endings (for example Nowacki, Niedźwiedzka)
- surnames that are "pure adjectives" (fro example Cichy = silent, Czarny = black, Biały = white) although this case is more complicated, Polish laws allow people with surnames that are "pure adjectives" to choose if they want it with normal declension (Maria Czarna, Marii Czarnej, Marię Czarną etc.) or without any declension, then the Nominative male form is used in all cases, also for women, (Maria Czarny, Marii Czarny, Marię Czarny etc.)

ArcticPaul:
If I am correct are there any more names/parts of names that are treated as anything other than nouns?

Rather not, but there are nouns that follow the adjective declension pattern (for example "uczony" - I'm sure I wrote about it not long ago in one of your threads).

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ArcticPaul
  May 16, 08, 02:16  #7

Krzysztof:
Rather not, but there are nouns that follow the adjective declension pattern (for example "uczony" - I'm sure I wrote about it not long ago in one of your threads


Yes you did. In my 'ACCUSATIVE.Masc/Fem/Neu' thread.
You have been a great help to me.
Thank you.

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