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z_darius
Edited by: z_darius  Oct 23, 07, 19:19  #61

Quoting: Puzzler
Ah, so z-darius comes from Canada? I hope that, unlike many folks living there, he doesn't have a negative attitude towards the Poles and Poland?

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
See a picture in my profile. That may explain a lot. The girl is my daughter. Picture taken in Summer this year.

As for folks living here and having some "opinions", I can stand my own and shoot them down if I care.

 
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Puzzler
  Oct 23, 07, 19:32  #62

Quoting: HAL9009
If there are "prefered foreigners" here in Ireland, then it is the Polish who are those that are preferred


- I know, brother, that in Ireland we're being treated OK (I mean Ireland proper, because in Northern Ireland, I hear, it's not always so hunky-dory). I don't have anything against the Irish people; on the contrary, the better I get to know them, the more I respect and like them.

 
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Puzzler
  Oct 23, 07, 19:37  #63

Quoting: HAL9009
I believe that the good jobs should go to those best deserving of them, best able to do the job, regardless of where they come from


- Fine, but if foreigners grab better jobs and the natives are denied them, what impact would it have on mutual relations? Wouldn't it be worse than making Polish an official language in Ireland?

 
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Puzzler
  Oct 23, 07, 19:43  #64

Quoting: z_darius
See a picture in my profile. That may explain a lot. The girl is my daughter.


- Hm, the fact that one's daughter wears a Polish folk stuff doesn't necessarily mean her father must be a Polonophile. I've met tons of folks born in Poland, or saying they're Polish, who were as Polonophobic as the Nazis. People hating their own country and countrymen are found in any nation. I hope my honesty doesn't offend you?

 
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z_darius
  Oct 23, 07, 19:46  #65

Quoting: Puzzler
Hm, the fact that one's daughter wears a Polish folk stuff doesn't necessarily mean her father must be a Polonophile. I've met tons of folks born in Poland, or saying they're Polish, who were as Polonophobic as the Nazis. People hating their own country and countrymen are found in any nation. I hope my honesty doesn't offend you?

Your honesty doesn't offend me at all. But your paranoia (for the lack of a better word) worries me a little.
Oh, born in the USA and educated in Canada, she speak perfect Polish. But then, you may think that she was taught Polish to spy against Poland :)

 
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Puzzler
  Oct 23, 07, 19:50  #66

Quoting: z_darius
But your paranoia


- What 'paranoia'? Please, give any evidence of it (if you can).

Quoting: z_darius
you may think that she was taught Polish to spy against Poland


- But have I thought so? Aren't you a little paranoid in anticipating I might?

 
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Puzzler
  Oct 23, 07, 19:51  #67

Quoting: z_darius
Your honesty doesn't offend me at all


- Yeah, right.
:)

 
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z_darius
  Oct 23, 07, 20:09  #68

Look Puzzler,

I am Polish, my wife is Polish, and my daughter is Polish(+American/Canadian).
Your remarks are out of line, and your words ("saying they're Polish, who were as Polonophobic as the Nazis") are offensive. It would be nice if you gave it a thought before posting accusatory remarks. Frankly, I don't give a hoot what you think about me, and I won't kiss your as.s whether it was made in Poland, Russia or Africa.

 
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Puzzler
  Oct 23, 07, 20:21  #69

Quoting: z_darius
Your remarks are out of line, and your words ("saying they're Polish, who were as Polonophobic as the Nazis") are offensive


- Hold your horses, man. I have never said you are one of those guys. It's you who are assuming I have. Read my statement again, coolheadedly. And it's you who have ascribed paranoia to me - which actually is offensive, the more so as you can't back it up with any proof.

Quoting: z_darius
I don't give a hoot what you think about me, and I won't kiss your as.s


- I don't give a hoot whether you don't give a hoot what I think about you, nor have I given any rational reason for your assuming that I want you to kiss my frances.
If I were nasty, I'd say something else about it....

Cool down, mate.
;)
My best regards to your daughter. She's a lovely Polish girl.

 
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daffy
  Oct 24, 07, 05:37  #70

For a point of information.

The Irish government departments do infact deal in Polish where possible and required. In the local dept of social welfare (to get PPS numbers to work & claim benefits) signage in Polish is a prevalent as the signs in English.

whether or not it needs to become an official language - i think wait 20 yers is best - to see if integration is a long term effect or just a short term movement.

As Ireland & Poland are members of the EU, the respective gov't DO infact need to work in English, Polish, Irish as the case may be. (as English, Polish & Irish are all offical EU languages)

I agree with Puzzler that most poles here do not have the idea that Polish should be an ofical language her as it is not required as the state depts already provide translation for them if required and information is avail in polish already as it is in English and Irish.

If the Polish community truly wanted it so, it would be no problem to discuss the proposal as with all things in a democratic country & Union.

na razie!

 
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jareck8 [Guest]
  Oct 24, 07, 06:08  #71

this is progress and evolution polish have to come ireland and it is important to communicate inthis langauge..

wat about in usa i dont think 300 years ago the native language was 'amrican' but the brits and french forced there way there, dissolved the natives and then we have a new langugae and new nationality...

let the poles speak in there language, they learnt yours now yuo will leanr theres.. it might be a little difficult to learn pronuncation but try it.

 
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Zeze
  Oct 24, 07, 06:37  #72

and no Polish will not be made State language for god sake

 
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jareck8 [Guest]
  Oct 24, 07, 06:43  #73

in england the focus is turning on to the polish pound, and i beleive our sacred language will be a part of british and souther irish society.... theres no going back now, we have made england our home.

 
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szarlotka GOLD MEMBER
  Oct 24, 07, 06:45  #74

Quoting: jareck8
polish pound,


Hey stick to the Zloty. Even Jacques Chirac couldn't take away our pound.

Only messing jareck, I understood your real meaning.

 
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Zeze
  Oct 24, 07, 06:45  #75

are you indian ? or Pole ?

not matter both are no good

 
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daffy
  Oct 24, 07, 06:45  #76

Quoting: jareck8
we have made england our home.

and welcome :) witamy! ;)

under EU you are entitled, as we are, to settle ANYWHERE we all like in the EU.
And as such, will be provided for (as ive outlined, are being provided for) in the Republic of Ireland :)

Dziekujemy

 
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Zeze
  Oct 24, 07, 06:47  #77

Quoting: daffy
Dziekujemy

ohhhh you know Polish really clever i bet you not even live here

 
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jareck8 [Guest]
  Oct 24, 07, 06:48  #78

Quoting: diamond
having different languages doesnt bring people together....it seperates them.

look at the exampes in the US and Canada.

not really

in india people of different religions and langauges side by side, everybody intermiongels and livs happily - to an extent..

i know in canada the ontarians are rather proud of their french and dont like speaking english, but then thats down to the people if there are other langauges avaialbel its up to the people to apprecaite there fellow people

 
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Zeze
  Oct 24, 07, 06:48  #79

and again Polish will not become an state language get over it

 
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szarlotka GOLD MEMBER
  Oct 24, 07, 06:49  #80

Zeze - carry on like that and I'm going to invade Rio and bring a load of my Polish friends with me!

 
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jareck8 [Guest]
  Oct 24, 07, 06:49  #81

Quoting: Zeze
and again Polish will not become an state language get over it

actually you will road signs in polish, dcumentation, food in nationals supermarkets, and then like french is taught in schools so will polish...

the futures bright the futures polska

 
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Zeze
  Oct 24, 07, 06:50  #82

Quoting: szarlotka
Polish friends with me!

do that but just if they hot blond Polish girl

 
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Zeze
  Oct 24, 07, 06:51  #83

indian+ with a fat Polish girl = to Indian love Poland

 
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jareck8 [Guest]
  Oct 24, 07, 07:30  #84

Quoting: Zeze
indian+ with a fat Polish girl = to Indian love Poland

jealousy has prevailed

Quoting: Zeze
do that but just if they hot blond Polish girl

you are exceedingly judgemental, remember how the english had treated and still treat the 'irish', i think you should be more empathatic to polish migrants, now we are the ones who are building irelands roads,, and serving the guiness... and the lepricorns will now be wearing RED!

 
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HAL9009
  Oct 24, 07, 07:39  #85

Quoting: jareck8
the lepricorns will now be wearing RED

But the hats will still be green ;)

 
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Zeze
  Oct 24, 07, 07:49  #86

Quoting: jareck8
jealousy has prevailed

no but truth had

 
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szarlotka GOLD MEMBER
  Oct 24, 07, 07:51  #87

Quoting: jareck8
remember how the english had treated and still treat the 'irish'


The last part of that comment is outdated and quite frankly insulting to the English.

 
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z_darius
  Oct 24, 07, 07:58  #88

Quoting: jareck8
i know in canada the ontarians are rather proud of their french and dont like speaking english

Yeah, and in Quebec they like speaking English and are proud of it, huh?

What a pot of crock!
Sure, some Ontarians speak French. In 15 years I met perhaps five of them. OK, maybe six. Heck, previous Ontario's Premier couldn't speak a word of French. Not sure about the current one. I knew more people in Poland speaking French than I know Ontarians speaking that language. You got it all mixed up.

 
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szarlotka GOLD MEMBER
  Oct 24, 07, 07:59  #89

Quoting: z_darius
You got it all mixed up.


It's a common theme

 
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miranda
  Oct 24, 07, 08:00  #90

yep, french keep a really low profile in Ontario.

 
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