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13,000 Polish births this year, in the UK


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rex
  Dec 6, 07, 11:29  #31

what you doing in the UK ?

and why are you there if is that so

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Puzzler
Edited by: Puzzler  Dec 6, 07, 11:32  #32

Quoting: noimmigration
Polish immigrants take £1bn out of the UK economy


- But how much does 'the UK economy' make from hiring the Poles, does Mr Slack say? - I can tell: untold of billions.

Furthermore, I wonder why doesn't Mr Slack say how much other than Poles groups - national and racial, whatever - 'take out' from 'the UK economy' and send back home? The hack, scribbling in crap such as Daily Express and Daily Mail, keeps strangely silent about this. Why? - Isn't it so because he is a racist coward and vicious Polonophobe? - The other groups in question all send out their hard-earned money to their countries. And since the Poles make much less than any other group in UK, the amount of money sent out by those groups must be much higher than that the Poles send to Poland.

But what's wrong with using one's money and investing them wherever one pleases?

If you hire me, creep, it's not your business what I do with my money. Don't hire me, if you're mentally imbalanced enough to want to control what I do with my pay or keep my pay for yourself.

Why does the British government allow hate-propaganda against the Poles to be carried out freely by psychopaths from the Daily Mail and Daily Express? Such propaganda is legally forbidden in Britain towards groups such as Africans, Asians, or Muslims. Why is it allowed to be carried out against the Poles? - No wonder Poles have been beaten up and killed in UK, if psychopaths such as Mr Slack are free to spread their hate. Hate-propagating hacks are to blame for abuses against the Poles exactly the same as the direct perpetrators.

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irishdeano
Edited by: irishdeano  Dec 6, 07, 11:53  #33

The polish workers alone have given the uk government 1.6 billion in tax this year...

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espana
  Dec 6, 07, 12:47  #34

Quoting: Puzzler
Such propaganda is legally forbidden in Britain towards groups such as Africans, Asians, or Muslims. Why is it allowed to be carried out against the Poles

i dont think it is only against the poles it is about every nationallity but always for people with no culture and education like the piggy piggy , oink oink ....michal!!!!!!

then you will have a lot of english people with culture and education like bubba , the drunk of daffy decorator etc

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postie
  Dec 6, 07, 12:48  #35

Hey. Noimmigration.

Just imagine for a moment, if you can get your lonely braincell to work for a moment.

All the Poles go home, all of them. And then what?

Close on a million low paid, low skills jobs will be available... yet no one doing them. No one paying tax or NI. No one renting flats or spending the money earned at those jobs in UK shops.

Imagine it. Is it going to be beneficial to the UK economy?

And once the Poles have gone, who is going to be the target of your hate then? The muslims? OK, send them home... who you going to rant at next? The blacks? OK.. send them home... who next...the Irish? Send 'em home... who next.... Hugenots! Send 'em back... The Jutes? Send 'em all back.... cos somewhere down the line we might get rid of fuckwits like yourself. :)

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Puzzler
  Dec 6, 07, 12:50  #36

Quoting: postie
cos somewhere down the line we might get rid of fuckwits like yourself. :)


- Right on, man.
:)

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noimmigration
  Dec 6, 07, 13:24  #37

Quoting: postie
Hey. Noimmigration.

Just imagine for a moment, if you can get your lonely braincell to work for a moment.

All the Poles go home, all of them. And then what?



one f the reasons there are over 1 million poles in britain is governemnt incompetance (which is being investigated). The governemtn forecasted that 40,000 poles would come to the uk not hundreds of hundred s of thousands.

we were doing fine before the poles came, now there is concern that poles are filling jobs and taking away employment from school leavers etc.

if all the poles left britain we would be fine just like before the poles were here (which was only a couple Of years ago.

Are so arrogant to think that these polish migrants are holding the british economy (which is ne of the worlds strongest) together. we were fine before we let poland in the eu and we would be fine if they left.

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osiol
  Dec 6, 07, 13:26  #38

Quoting: noimmigration
The governemtn forecasted that 40,000 poles would come to the uk

You trust all projected figures from the government?

Quoting: noimmigration
if all the poles left britain we would be fine just like before the poles were here (which was only a couple Of years ago

Suddenly a hell of a lot of job vacancies and no-one there to take them all.

Quoting: noimmigration
Are so arrogant to think that these polish migrants are holding the british economy (which is ne of the worlds strongest) together

The economy is strong because of what is available to it due to its pragmatic approach.

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espana
  Dec 6, 07, 13:34  #39

Quoting: noimmigration
noimmigration

what about if i said that i dont want any bloody scottish or english living in spain ?
i m not sick when i go to my place and look hundreds of british living in my land but i could be ,,,,no? do you think all these british are rich? i dont think so!!
so shut the fuc@ up!!

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osiol
  Dec 6, 07, 13:38  #40

Quoting: espana
what about if i said that i dont want any bloody scottish or english living in spain ?

I feel sorry for you. A lot of them are the ones I'd be glad not to see again.
Some people claim they don't cost the Spanish economy anything. I doubt this to be true.
Should I dare to ask for your thoughts on this?

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Grzegorz_
  Dec 6, 07, 13:40  #41

Mugli, what's your problem ? If UK opened the labor market for citizens of your country, so many of them would come that the whole thing would probably sink.

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rex
  Dec 6, 07, 13:55  #42

i am not agaist poles going there what i am saying i wish that they not have to do that should not be a need for high qualify poles go there and sometimes get jobs that are not at the level of ther education . as we see many poles on this very same forum asking for any jobs in UK Eire holland etc you dont see this high numbers of other places in the EU going to look for work in the uk I can see the africans even latin americans doing the dirty jobs in the UK but I dont see why POland right in the heart of europe has not got his game togheter and high educated poles in those crazy numbers going there . 13000 parents think is better for ther kids be born in the UK dont have to be like that Poland is Europe you dont see this statics from any other EU country

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Puzzler
Edited by: Puzzler  Dec 7, 07, 02:00  #43

Quoting: osiol
Suddenly a hell of a lot of job vacancies and no-one there to take them all.


- More folks from the Third World would have to be taken in. There are actually MILLIONS of them in UK already. They are great cheap workers, they are humble, they don't cry about 'human rights,' they don't go for the (well-paid) 'quota' jobs reserved for 'racial minorities,' they respect greatly the English, Scottish and Welsh, they can help maintain UK cultural, national, etc. values, they don't go for social assistance, and they're not staying in UK for good.

Way to go, UK, and EU indeed.
:)
PS. Osiol, I think this delusional racist (and cowardly) creep you're replying to seems to be lying about ONE million Poles having come to UK after 2004 (it's the figure the Daily Mail psychopaths have been giving frequently). Even if as many Poles have entered UK, in many cases it must have been seasonal workers, e.g. students, who returned to Poland after a short period (to come again for seasonal work next year). The one million figure may contain many persons each one of whom has been counted several times.

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Zeze
  Dec 7, 07, 03:00  #44

bealive is more then 10000 what is really sad

nobody is racist here just telling facts that some of you poles dotn want face it

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Foreigner4
  Dec 7, 07, 03:36  #45

i wonder how many births there were in poland this year, that figure could help us determine (as an estimate) how many poles really are in the uk.

I'm also curious as to how many births there were in poland for non poles and how many births there were in the uk from other immigrant populations.

I think any objective observer couldn't come to any other conclusion than, as a whole, the disparity in wages within the EU and greater european job market is the leading cause of this migration.

One thing people seem to forget is that this could have a domino effect where "cheaper" workers keep moving westward. The effect of that is an increase in difference between the rich and the poor and a shrinking middle class.

This is an actual phenomenon that has been developing for the past 20 years. From what i've seen the majority of slavic immigrants in London were most certainly living at a much lower standard (and i along with them) than most indigineous brits. In fact the whole area i was in, was almost exclusively immigrants or recent immigrants and it was rather dodgey. Is that a coincidence or was that my experience of a strong undercurrent that is on the rise?

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jareck8 [Guest]
  Dec 7, 07, 04:41  #46

this is an excellent news feed, we should celebrate the fact that the east and west are getting closer, this is the only hope for humanity to live in peace together - dont look at colour or nationality jsut look at the love respect and care you can give each other.. i think we need more doctors, nurses and other service perosnnel who can speak polish.

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ShelleyS
Edited by: ShelleyS  Dec 7, 07, 05:27  #47

Quoting: Wroclaw
What is the difference between... Poles who work in Britain and send money home.... and Brits who have been working in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf, since the 70's.

The Brits don't or at least didn't pay tax and they worked with the express reason of sending money home to build their future.

I can't see any real difference between the two.

And don't forget the days of "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". Ten to a room and sending money home.

The way I see it you don't have a valid arguement



Im not meaning to nit pick here but there is a substantial difference

1) They were there on contracts and their companies provided private health care - so there was no cost to the tax paying Saudi - accommodation was generally apartments on ex pat complexes

2) if they did take their families with them, the kids go to private schools with English teachers.

3) Brits didnt go there in their millions and they were highly skilled engineers / pipe fitters etc.

4) re builders going to Germany - they went on contracts and didnt take the family, and they would have paid tax when they got back home - and they didnt go to germany in the 100,000's or take kids with them.

4) Im sure that the Brits that went to Germany spent plenty of their hard earned cash in the boozers whilst they were there :)

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wildrover
  Dec 7, 07, 05:27  #48

Quoting: jareck8
nurses and other service perosnnel who can speak polish.


I am sure there will be lots of jobs in UK for Polish doctors and nurses , but what worries me , is that i live in Poland , i would like to think that if i fall off my motorcycle there might be one or two Polish doctors left here to fix me up again......

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ShelleyS
Edited by: ShelleyS  Dec 7, 07, 05:29  #49

Quoting: wildrover
I am sure there will be lots of jobs in UK for Polish doctors and nurses


Let me educate you here - last year only 1 in 5 newly qualified nurses got jobs because of the shortages of places in hospitals - for midwifes its even less its about 1 - 30 .....so I would completely disagree, we have enough already that cant get jobs..

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wildrover
  Dec 7, 07, 05:33  #50

Yes i was wrong.....there will be no jobs for Polish doctors and nurses...

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jareck8 [Guest]
  Dec 7, 07, 05:42  #51

Quoting: ShelleyS
Let me educate you here - last year only 1 in 5 newly qualified nurses got jobs because of the shortages of places in hospitals - for midwifes its even less its about 1 - 30 .....so I would completely disagree, we have enough already that cant get jobs..

i am not sure where you got your statistics form, i know a ward nurse in barts london, they are always in need of hiring competent people..

remember one hting the cultrue in the UK is no longer what it was to build the nation.. they are extremel distracted form work, i have worked in various fields, they love tea breaks, leavign early, going to pub lunches..? work people

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ShelleyS
  Dec 7, 07, 06:35  #52

Quoting: jareck8
remember one hting the cultrue in the UK is no longer what it was to build the nation.. they are extremel distracted form work, i have worked in various fields, they love tea breaks, leavign early, going to pub lunches..? work people


Generalisation if ever I heard one...

btw, all my family are in the health service one way or another...so I think I know better than you and as for lunch breaks what the hell are they, Im lucky if I get time to pop out for a sandwich let alone a pub lunch!

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ShelleyS
  Dec 7, 07, 06:39  #53

Almost three quarters of newly qualified nurses are still searching for a permanent job months after graduating, a survey shows.
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this is from last year - I dont expect that 1000's of new places have been magiced out of a hat do you?????

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ShelleyS
  Dec 7, 07, 06:41  #54

So you see, we have enough of our own, we dont need anymore

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lennyd [Guest]
  Dec 9, 07, 18:50  #55

Quoting: noimmigration
the brits who dont work are our problem,

maybe there wouldn't be so many brits out of work if poles didn't steal their jobs since poland joined the eu and flooded into our small island the average brit has become worse off that's for sure

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El Gato
  Dec 9, 07, 18:57  #56

Quoting: Zeze
If is Poland sucha nice place


WTF are u saying???

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lennyd [Guest]
  Dec 9, 07, 19:03  #57

Quoting: noimmigration
the brits who dont work are our problem,

maybe there wouldn't be so many brits out of work if poles didn't steal their jobs since poland joined the eu and flooded into our small island the average brit has become worse off that's for sure

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El Gato
  Dec 9, 07, 19:06  #58

Quoting: lennyd
maybe there wouldn't be so many brits out of work if poles didn't steal their jobs


Or you could work harder? Maybe you could have went to Uni and had a better job, so that no dirty stinky Pole could ever steal it?

Racist bastard

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irishdeano
  Dec 10, 07, 08:25  #59

Quoting: noimmigration
we were doing fine before the poles came, now there is concern that poles are filling jobs and taking away employment from school leavers etc.

if all the poles left britain we would be fine just like before the poles were here (which was only a couple Of years ago.

Are so arrogant to think that these polish migrants are holding the british economy (which is ne of the worlds strongest) together. we were fine before we let poland in the eu and we would be fine if they left.

that is a load of sh*t.. i live in northern ireland and in my studys we have had people come and talk about the work and if there was not the amount of other nationals the work would not be done... the amount of money by polish workers was 1.6 billion to the british government already and the year is not even over.....

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Wroclaw Boy
  Dec 10, 07, 10:57  #60

Hi All, ive just arrived back in Poland from my snowboarding holiday in the Czech Republic and I have to say i was impressed with the resort of Spinderluv Mlyn and the Czechs in general. I wish the Poles could take a note from their neighours and step up to the plate, I instantly noticed the change from Czech to Poland as soon as i crossed the border i.e miserable people staring, virtualy no one speaking English, poor towns, bad roads. I havent been out of Poland for 6 months and the last time was to Vegas so i didn't really think of making a comparison but having just come from a neighbouring country I am really beginning to wonder what the hell am I doing here!!

On the baby issue my Polish wife has made it clear she will never give birth in Poland and Im beginning to understand.

Dont know how much more of this shite I can take.

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