are there any polish buddhists?

Well, bruno, if I 'got it right' that you meant that the majority of Buddhists in Poland are just superficial practitioners of the physical aspect of Buddhism, why did you deny having said it? And my postings have been exactly just a reaction to this untrue message of yours. The truth is that the numerous Buddhists in Poland are who they are - real Buddhists.

So you can't prove that I called you a 'little lying arrogant prick'?

Hello, muzyka.

Did I ever say that you and bruno were having a 'slanging match' here? If not, why the explanation?


So you believe that if any one speaks in an aggressive and hostile manner he surely doesn't 'practice the buddhist path' (sic)?

Is the Buddhist path, according to you, exclusively for those who babble in a sugary way, hiding their aggression and hostility and pretending to be angels on Earth?

How about if somebody speaks in a condescending and contemptuous manner? Is the Buddhist path for him or for her? Is his or her contempt and insolence a symptom of aggression and hostility, even if it is expressed in a 'balanced and level headed' manner?


You're alleging that my attitude 'illustrates beautifully what ego is' and how this alleged ego 'controls' me. You allege that there's no 'inner peace' for me 'nor for the people' around me. Now how would you prove that your allegations are true - of course, prove in a 'balanced and level headed' manner?

What about if my comments are actually being made in an ego-less way? Is it actually possible, or not?







hello puzzler: boy, oh boy, your words are full of aggression and hostility - obviously, you don't practice the buddhist path.....on the positive side, you're attitude illustrates beautifully what ego is and how ego controls you - with that inside you there is no inner peace for you nor for the people around you....how about making comments in a balanced and level headed way....we are just having a discussion here, not a slanging match.......ok? by the way, I did appreciate your reference to above site, however, neglected to acknowledge it.....a human error on my part.....stay cool!!

you can talk about it all day and night and try to understand with your mind, but in the end you won't get there.....it has to be "experienced" it's all experiential, that's why it's called a "practice" not a belief. So, if you are seeking the truths of the Buddha, I recommend you start meditating - go and learn how at your nearest zen or other buddhist centre and read some well written texts on the subject.....from there be patient, very patient and allow yourself to open up to the possibilities....there is no blind faith here - the buddha himself said "test everything I tell you - find out for yourself".....but remember, the harder you try, the further away the truth will be )there's another one of the contradictions you mentioned earlier)....the reason there seem to be contradictions is because you are attempting to understand them with the mind.......just ponder, don't analyse.....contemplate in solitude and quiet.....

I think you just want to argue rather than understand and if that's the case, I won't be responding to your comments any further........(beyond this one)

in response to the above: the buddhist path is for anyone who is interested - even you..however, if you sincerely take up the practice you would not even consider speaking harshly towards others, let alone cover it up with falseness (sugary coating as you put it)......

Muzyka, it's untrue that I 'just want to argue rather than understand.' You've got an abundant evidence that I really want to understand. As for arguing, it's essential to any discussion, isn't it?

I am sorry you won't respond to me any more, but I won't die from the grief either.

Muzyka, if you were familiar, or better familiar, with certain Buddhist scriptures, e.g. Surangama (re: the horses parable), you'd know that Buddhism is also - if not first of all - for such rascals as myself....

I won't interfere with your discussion (although I will keep on reading it ). Fine things you say at times, guys, I must admit.

And yes, bruno, the stuff about showing off was stupid on my part. Conversely, your condescending attitude towards Polish Buddhists... but it's your problem, not mine.

hey, I was going to say something along those lines exactly!!! as for being familiar with all sutras and other buddhist text - no, I've not yet read everything, nor have I claimed that I have, but I hope to read and study most of it in the years I have left on this earth....I will be happy to respond to you or anyone, but not if you get aggressive or abusive....it's just not helpful, or pleasant....

Muzyka, yes, that's a beautiful attitude - 'to read and study [the sutras] in the years I have left on this earth.' Keep it up, never lose!

All right, now I'm shutting up.

most 'catholics' haven't even picked up the bible to read it never mind start to finish! only what they hear in the church and then they claim 'to know' the bible


namaste (hindi greeting i know but sentiments are the same)

I knew one. I like Buddhists because they tend not to start wars in the name of their religion. If I was forced to adopt a religion then it would probably be Buddhism that I would choose.

now you're making me laugh!!!! and that's good.......

although it's commonly seen as a religion, it actually isn't.....Buddhism has no dogma, no higher power or "god" who will save you (or punish you for that matter)......you are ultimately responsible for your own salvation, which is not very consoling for most people who want to believe they will be "saved" if they just believe (or appear to believe etc.,)....you're right, many wars have been initiated in the name of "religion" and "god".....

hi RazZ, good to hear from you....but why that emoticon??

just trying to be a smart arse( which im not usually) so hows things. i dont know anything about the buddhism, so wont be able to comment

things are ok.....I'm enjoying the beautiful autumn weather that is so typical of melbourne.....as for not knowing much about buddhism, I think we're all learning.....

Right, Muzyka, this is exactly what makes these convertions so problematic. The 'western mind' always calculates what is better etc, and doesn't just jump into something unless it is 'worth it'. These can work in very scary ways (as in Pascal's gambit or Kalama Sutra). And all the calculations are just more or less complicated reasonings, 'mind-understandings'. And the western way is 'the harder you try, the closer you get'. So, it seems to me, any westerner has to have a target, something he wants to achieve via 'eastern ways' that comes from his western self. Therefore he is treating eastern practice as a 'set of exercises', just some means to his western ends.

Would you say than, that even starting with western end in mind, proper practice can make him a buddhist along the way?

yes, for sure, because if you start on the journey with sincerity (to study and learn) you'll soon begin to understand it on a completely new level and eventually you'll find that all that "western" stuff will start to disintegrate and become irrelevant.....this is the process of transformation. It takes time, but the rewards from meditation and buddhist practice are what people are always searching for but failing to find = happiness and inner peace.....so, why don't you just go ahead and BEGIN.....that's the best advice I can give you.......

You are of course absolutely correct. Sloppy langauage on my part.

not really szarlotka - most people wouldn't know that, so don't feel badly......

Muzyka,

see what happens when you send everybody 'the eastern path'?

Nobody is talking anymore!

Hope you are enjoying nice weather this Easter,

Bruno

Bruno, so you've sent everybody 'the eastern path' Would this mean you've sent moi, Puzzler, there just as well? If so, then exactly how? Do you suggest that your sending everybody 'the eastern path' has caused that 'nobody is talking anymore'? If yes, would you explain what you mean? Hm, and do you, bruno, practice a lot?

hi Bruno, I just read this and I'm trying to work out what you meant.....did you mean that no-one is talking because they're all contemplating the truth??

Hi Muzyka, good to hear from you again. That's what I meant, joking here a little.