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Miste
Edited by: Miste  Feb 12, 08, 20:11  #1

Poland and Gemany write one history book for schools.
Poles and Germans want to do the same as French and Germans did.

What means one history book written by Polish and German authors showing both points of views, and all aspects of this hard neighbourhood.

IMO it is good move if we want to build future of EU.

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Patrycja19
  Feb 12, 08, 20:17  #2

Miste wrote:
IMO it is good move if we want to build future of EU.


I agree.. but I dont think that will become a reality.


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Miste
Edited by: Miste  Feb 12, 08, 20:20  #3

Patrycja19 wrote:
I agree.. but I dont think that will become a reality.


It will.
Polish - German relations are changing quickly.

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Dice
  Feb 13, 08, 20:12  #4

Miste wrote:
Poland and Gemany write one history book for schools.
Poles and Germans want to do the same as French and Germans did.

That is a great idea. And Europe needs it desperately, judging by what I read on these forums. Maybe people in the former Yugoslavia should take the same approach as well, before they start a new war, this time over severity of Kosovo.
It's about time we start learning that there are people just like us on the other side of that "century old conflict".
Today's World is full of "century old conflicts" and it's time for us to change them to "former conflicts from centuries before". There are people on all sides of borders, and they are only of one race: the Human Race.


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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Feb 14, 08, 03:01  #5

Miste wrote:
What means one history book written by Polish and German authors showing both points of views, and all aspects of this hard neighbourhood.


Yeah, of course. So why nobody write such books destined for a private readers if this is so great idea? Because those people would not waste their time and money for a politically correct version of history with carefully and selectively chosen topics. They prefer to read two books, one from German and second from Polish perspective.

Thus this book will be destined for schools, both Ministries of Propaganda (sorry, Education!) will proclaim it to be obligatory. This is how the bureaucrats doing business. Everything everywhere must be the same and obligatory.


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polishcanuck
  Feb 14, 08, 11:14  #6

Excellent idea. Hopefully all of europe will have one history textbook sometime in the future . Maybe this will end some problems.


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Feb 14, 08, 16:39  #7

:) it is not going to happen. maybe It will be written and shown in TV but it will never be part of education in Poland and Germany. nonsens!


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El Gato
  Feb 14, 08, 16:42  #8

polishcanuck wrote:
Excellent idea. Hopefully all of europe will have one history textbook sometime in the future . Maybe this will end some problems.


Not back problems...that's going to be a huge f*ckin book! It will wreak havoc upon the fragile backs of children!

:]


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lesser
  Feb 15, 08, 04:04  #9

Lukasz wrote:
it will never be part of education in Poland and Germany. nonsens!


I would not be so sure in your place. Even if it wont be obligatory for children, still this might be obligatory program for teachers as far as Polish-German relations are concentrated. Otherwise why would be the government involved in such project?


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Feb 15, 08, 04:08  #10

after this

http://www.rp.pl/artykul/93104.html

everything is possible


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lesser
  Feb 15, 08, 04:34  #11

I have no doubt about PO's lack of willingness to change anything crucial in good direction. Everything I can read about their plans are pathetic ideas like above...


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isthatu
  Feb 15, 08, 15:36  #12

lesser wrote:
Because those people would not waste their time and money for a politically correct version of history with carefully and selectively chosen topics. They prefer to read two books, one from German and second from Polish perspective.

Thus this book will be destined for schools, both Ministries of Propaganda (sorry, Education!) will proclaim it to be obligatory. This is how the bureaucrats doing business. Everything everywhere must be the same and obligatory.


OMG, I agree with you on this.....must have bumped my head or something.....
Why not,and here's a crazy idea,have a book written by a History expert and leave it at that,why "nationalise " history,just seems silly. I vote getting a Canadian in for the job,they seem level headed folks.


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Feb 15, 08, 18:05  #13

I have checked details, nothing has been decided.

Some people have plan to write this book and German kids in eastern lands of Germany and Polish form western part of Poland, eventualy are going to have this book (Polish and German authors) as additional help in learning history.


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lesser
  Feb 16, 08, 07:21  #14

Lukasz wrote:
nothing has been decided.


Hopefully you are right. Some time ago Giertych banned (?) some project of pan-European history book pushed by the Council of Europe.


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celinski
  Feb 16, 08, 09:12  #15

BBC report tells what is really believed by Russian youth.

"But minutes later the same students were telling me quite openly how they consider America their enemy and that America and its Nato allies are intent on undermining Russia.

Later in the day, I went to meet a group of teenagers from a Kremlin-sponsored youth movement called Nashi (Ours)."

"The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose."





http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7241042.stm


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polishcanuck
  Feb 16, 08, 14:06  #16

El Gato wrote:
Not back problems...that's going to be a huge f*ckin book! It will wreak havoc upon the fragile backs of children!

Laptops:)

celinski wrote:
"The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose."


All the more reason to standardize history books. History is very dangerous because it is too often manipulated or misinterpreted. Unfortunately we will probably need a few more devastating wars to get to that point. Like in one of those space shows on tv (star trek? star wars? any trekkies out there?), all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences.


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celinski
  Feb 16, 08, 14:16  #17

polishcanuck wrote:
all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences.


Lets see Russia has threatened Poland, Ukraine and USA. USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan.


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isthatu
  Feb 16, 08, 18:07  #18

celinski wrote:
"The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose."

which seems a pretty reasonable assesment by them....
celinski wrote:
But minutes later the same students were telling me quite openly how they consider America their enemy and that America and its Nato allies are intent on undermining Russia

this seems to be the attitude in the US regarding russia...
celinski wrote:
USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan.

no,just coz your airforce has a habit of dropping bombs on its allies doesnt mean were actualy at war with each other....


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Seanus
  Feb 16, 08, 18:10  #19

I think she meant foes isthatu, hehehe. A wee bittie o a difference for sure.


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celinski
  Feb 16, 08, 22:05  #20

isthatu wrote:

no,just coz your airforce has a habit of dropping bombs on its allies doesnt mean were actualy at war with each other....


LMAO I mean USA and allies are in Iraq and Afganistan. I'm sleepy, see ya guys.


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polishcanuck
  Feb 17, 08, 17:36  #21

celinski wrote:
Lets see Russia has threatened Poland, Ukraine and USA. USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan.

Not sure what you mean, maybe you should re-read my post. I was talking about a sci-fi tv show, not reality.


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lesser
  Feb 18, 08, 04:50  #22

polishcanuck wrote:
All the more reason to standardize history books.


This does not looks like a comment from somebody who would read history books.

polishcanuck wrote:
History is very dangerous because it is too often manipulated or misinterpreted.


May I suggest to jump to a giant condom when reading? 100% safety guarantee!


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celinski
  Feb 18, 08, 11:34  #23

No in fact the past may be starting to hold more accountable.

polishcanuck wrote:
all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences



An 83-year-old former Nazi prison camp guard has been transferred to
Italy to serve a life sentence for murder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7248502.stm


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