Polish-German Relations in the Present

"...The twins are now looking for excuses. They see dark, secret powers at work everywhere: old communist networks, the evil Germans. They are looking for reasons to explain why so many things cannot be fulfilled..."

spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,466540,00.html - "A Family Clan is in Power"

And aren't the Germans at hand to blame then it's the Russians....how convenient....

Schroder or Chirac's standards!

johan...Schröder is no longer (for awhile now) and Chirac is gone too...you will need some new excuses!

"...Former Polish president and Nobel laureate Lech Walesa Friday said Poland's ruling Kaczynski twins have "betrayed" the ideals of the anti-communist Solidarity union and are endangering democracy in his homeland.

"They have betrayed our ideals. And not just today and yesterday. They began to betray them a few years ago," Walesa said in an interview with the Italian daily La Repubblica...."

Poland's ruling Kaczinski twins 'betray' democratic ideals: Walesa

Schroder needs to be brought to justice!

He didn't break a law I think (besides being an ass)...

The Yukos Affair would never have reached an expropriatory crescendo without the silence, if not active support, of the German banking and political elite. Their main concern, as the Yukos Affair unfolded, was how Germany and its banks could profit from state theft. This moral disengagement was not only dangerous for Russia but also for the strength of democratic principles in Germany. Surely German citizens are aware that the support by Chancellor Schroeder of a regime that closes the press, attacks NGOs, expropriates property in show trials and targets ethnic minorities is simply inconsistent with the German idea and that of Europe.

Lech Walesa is the biggest liar and his actions lead us to situation we are in now. He is very disliked in Poland not because of his anti-comunism actions (which were not his actions, he was lead by smarter ppl than him anyway) but this what he did when he was president. Basically stole and sold our country and destroyed our chances to be in better condition right now. Give me twins over Walensa any day of the week. 90% Poles will say you this.

You know just too little polish history and you dont know my country inside to make such comments and to judge.

A persistent stance against corruption is the sine qua non for energy security. Russia’s Gazprom cannot be a partner to Europe while it fails to invest in its own infrastructure, arranges the deportation of responsible lobbyists for corporate governance, invests 14 billion dollars in non-core assets, such as news media, and is run from the Office of the Presidential Administration of Russia.

Hm, the arrogant impudent type calling himself 'Bratwurst Boy' only strenghtens my Polish negative image of his nationality. To any one who can perceive things objectively, his Polonophobic attitude and comments should give food for reflection on why we Poles detest his ilk, and why our government is right in not trusting them at the least.

More comments like that, please. Do not inhibit yourself; blurt it all out.
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PS. The behaviour of German politicians and the comments form the German media psychopaths on Poland seem to be proof that, alas, the Germans don't have enough greatness and wisdom to be the leaders of Europe. The usual Prussian bully. No wonder the Germans are such Russophiles. Bullies are attracted to bullies. :)

He got sacked johan...and it's a while!

If these individuals feel that their cooperation was justified and that the information given by them was not detrimental to others. Why should it be a secret? If I worked or lived a long side a communist party informer I have every right to know who the person was and what information was given to the authorities about my person.

As far as any legal proceedings are concerned, those guilty of nothing more than membership of the communist party have nothing to fear. They should ,in fact, be more than willing to open all the files in order to prove their innocence.

In order for Poland to move forward people, whose families and lives were destroyed by the former system, have the right to demand justice. The current confusion is a direct result of not bringing certain individuals to justice. Former high ranking party officials are now honourable members of the upper classes of Polish society. They had the financial capabilities to reposition themselves in free market Poland. Many of their children were educated at western universities. They themselves travelled abroad extensively, had access to foreign currencies and shopped in Pevex's shops. They will also be entitled to very handsome pensions.

These are the very same individuals today that seek to confuse and disinform Polish society about who cooperated. They were also the same individuals who changed, created ,rewrote and destroyed numerous numbers of secret police files prior to the election of this government. Poles have the right to know who they were and how they cooperated. They also have the right to demand compensation from the guilty.

What's more some European powers have little interest in clarifying any of the above for reasons that will be become known in the history books our grandchildren will read. I am afraid very few people in the west can begin to understand or comprehend what has happened. They should, however, consider their own history and decision making processes before lecturing Poles about how to treat former communist criminals. They should first explain the reasons behind the decisions taken after the second world war. The reasons behind " Yalta". The reasons behind the recognition of the illegal Polish government (put in place by Moscow) after the second war world.

The very same reasons today are being used to justify the EU's close cooperation with Russia. A Russia infiltrated with former KGB agents in all areas of economic and political life. A Russia who rewards cooperation with riches and punishes dissent with murder.

I have nothing anything againt Germans as I stated before but indeed BB comennts are not making any good. Fortunately not all Germans are like BB an there are some likeable.

What's wrong with my comments?

If you would take a look outside the anus of Bush you would know how the world sees you....

HEY! I'm immensely likeable! *cuddles up to Ola* :)

I don't think he's American.


Welcome back Puz ;)

It hasn't been dealt with! The twins are dealing with our **** and not brushing it under the carpet.



As far as the western press is concerned the above issues are the focal point. Why? Because the west will not deal with the real issues: Russian Mafia State/ Former communists criminal legitimise by western powers.

Maybe you are but your comments not :P.

Twins are the the best we could chose then. They are not perfect but they are not as bad as they are made out all the time and not as bas as former gov. They are still the best choice for Poland and we are still waiting for better politics to vote on, problem is there are no better right now.

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The west is responsible for communist criminals been taking seriously on the international stage. A mistake, once again, repeated as far as the Chinese are concerned.

Where are the standards!

Don't you think your gov should be more concerned with your own politics???

Fact: Some people only wait for the Twins to break real EU law...maybe then Poland IS becoming the first country to get kicked out!
(...then no more smiles for Warschau...)

During the 1945 Russki merciless thrashing of the Germans at Wroclaw (called by the Germans ugly 'BreSSlau'), the fleeing German army stupidly and vengefully blew the whole city up.

After the war, when the pile of debris had been ceded to Poland, the Poles built on its site, from scratch, a new city and called it Wroclaw.

It's a lovely city - certainly one of the loveliest cities in Europe.

Entirely thanks to the Poles, not to the Germans.

By the way, what kind of nation is that who destroys its own cities along with a big chunk of the inhabitants?

And then vilifies those who good-heartedly preserved something of the character of the destroyed city?

What hate-filled psychopathic abhorrent people.
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This concerns gas supply. which is absolutely vital to the whole of European Politics. Why can't Germans deal with it!

How can they be good for Poland if they make your country ridiculous, when they do nothing but annoying partners they should work with together?

But...it's still democratic...it's not my choice but yours...you have to live with it!

No joint energy policy! No Europe! Just western ********!

We HAVE dealt with it....even as the way things had gone are not widely supported the fact that Germans trust Russians more than Poles speaks for itself...

Do you know what most Germans think? Poles are only so aggravated and furious because they now can't no longer held up the hand and demand millions of good money just for owning the land for the pipeline...pure greed!

Fragment from one other thread (in preparation)...


Great Moravia at its greatest extent during the reign of Svatopluk I (with modern borders of European states)

Great Moravia was a result of Slavic expansion on Danube and continuity from Paleolithic. Moravia represented last stage of scattered power of our Slavic ancestor, last united Slavic state of ancient time

If one seek to find traces for pick of Paleo-Proto Slavic civilization, those traces would lead him to magnificent conclusions.


So, Wurst, will you please sh up.

This is what the western press seeks to do in order to avoid the real issues. If something becomes to difficult rubbish the problem.

....or blame the Germans!

So far you blame only us and see no problem in the West.

I don’t blame Germans. I blame Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and Carthaginians. Germans (not only Germans!) are just consequence of their penetration into body of White Garden in one historic moment.