Polish/German/Russian relations

Forgive? Forget? No!!!! Crucify them all!!!!

Slavia??? Ha-ha!!! I like Serbs, but don't be so naive, what do you mean under Slavia, where is it, is it a state? How many divisions it has?

Do You think that we forget 1610? And Poles in Kremlin?
Do You think that we forget S. Batory?
Do You thin that we fogive 1815 and Polish gussars in the Napoleon's Armade?
Do You think that we forget Boleslav The Brave?
Do You think that we forgive you Your sharp distinctions from Us?

As You see, i am shwing my intelligence (compare "You" and "i")

1812 not 1815.Napoleon in Moscow.Indeed polish soldiers were the most brave among the french troops.
But in Tannenberg the bravest were the russians,not right?

exactly 1812, just slip of pen....

in 1815 Poland become part of Ru.Emp.

In 1917 Germans were punished fore their arrogance

Who punished them?The Brest-Litovsk treaty?What happened in 1920 between Russians and Poles?

No, Germans inspired revolution in Russia, but were punished by the same revolution. And if we will see on the long term effects, we will see that partition of germany in 1945 was one of them.

revolution and civil war were very useful for russian society, though

Russian marshal Tukhachevski was near Warshaw

You shouldn't, that a golden age of Russian culture, which finally got some enlightening ;)

And a few months later was far away :)

From Poles ? Ha !!!! Poles had to eat each other in Kremlin !!!

Though this army had some luxurous veil !!! Really, i know only three nations with such love toward tinsel show: Armenians, Black Americans and Poles

You are right ;-(((( But remember that in this time we had a lot of internal enemies

Stupid excuse...

It is fair to say that Poles at that time saved Europe from bolshevics.Because if Russians entered Germany who was going to stop them?Germany had only 100.000 soldiers and no ammunition after the Versailles treaty.40.000 armed german communists waited for the russian army to enter to start revolution.

A much refined title in Russian is Gaspodin/ Gaspodina, since you are not French, a more fitting title to address you would be tovarich.

I do not like woman gaspada.Better the polish word pani.

I am not naive. It`s logic...

Tell me, what would you suggest instead of Democratic Slavic Union- Slavia?

Domination of some privileged elite or some privileged Slavs? I refuse that! Or, maybe you suggest that Slavs don`t need Slavic Union? Assimilation in global Corporate `Republik` is inevitable without Union!

I see Slavia as ultimate shalter for Slavic heritage, not only for Slavs but for all citizens of Slavic Union. Slavia would offer different concept then Europen Union (true tolerance- based on Slavic `green` approach, not false- as EU propose due to German/Germanic-Anglo Saxon domination). Then, Slavia won`t force her citizes on racial mixing (via media pressure, via destruction of nations, etc), just to ensure that ruling elite can `rightfully` claim heritage of all assimilated ethoses (like some kind of EU/USA Borg). It is on all individuals to have choice and it is on civilizations/people to live side by side, to be different, to contribute to this Earth thru mutual coexstance and cooperation. Differences are good, Borg is not good.

If it is destined (if so? Maybe, it isn`t destined) that humans tru time combine in one `super- race` then let it be so. But, even then it is process and it must be natural process (for many 1000 of years), not forced just to satisy selfishness of some elite.

Let civilizations/individuals with all their unique differences, live without pressure and let we develop and express all our potentials, on behalf of humankind.

Crow tell us.If Putin proposed to Serbia to become the 19th province of Russia,like he proposed to Belarus,would you accept?

Considering current situation (!), I would support that Serbia negotiate about her position inside of Russian federation- in case of Russian proposal in that dirrection. Even that seams batter then false world of EU (batter yes, not best; Slavia is best).

Even if Russia provide sustain conditions for that `relation` I would feel that I am (Serbs) greatly betrayed from Russian elite. It is because I see different Slavic Union (Serbs expect that Russia send them call for Slavic Union or that Serbia send call to Russia), I see Slavia on the end of our efforts for Unity. Slavia should provide salvation to all our internal-Slavic differences and in the same time teach us how to live with those differences- on behalf of all our children. Also, I would support that Slavia as state create conditions that all Slavic nations thru time evolve into one great Slavic nation/culture (something like concept of Americans) but, without any form of pressure.

It must be Slavic Union, not extended Russia.

To Constantine...

"Do You think that we forget 1610? And Poles in Kremlin? "

You are right. We shouldn't go there. But unfortunately You don't know why it all **** happened. We had ultra-catholic king Zygmunt III the stupid. Our noblity and sejm was against this war. Hetman Zołkiewski was against too. This was the private war of the king, pope and some border magnates (lithuanian). And do You remember about polish emissaries to talk about creation of union? Like union between Poland and Lithuania? Why did Russians refuse it? Of course You had right to do it but this was a gesture of bad will.

"Do You think that we forget S. Batory?"

What i remember is that Ivan Grozny attacked first. He attacked inflants and Polock. Maybe now Polock is Russian but that time it wasn't that certain. You assume that Ruthenia is all Russia but it's not true.

Do You thin that we fogive 1815 and Polish gussars in the Napoleon's Armade?

Hahaha...don't forgive. Nobody needs that. They fought aside Napoleon to have free polish state again. If You remember Commonwealth (after partitions) was under Russian (and Prussian and Austrian) rule then. Napoleon fought against Prussia nad Russia. Both powers and enemies who cut polish and lithuanian land on pieces. Ask yourself better "Why shouldn't we fight with You?" And what the hell your eastern orthodox cathedral was doing in front of Saxon Palace in Warsaw? And why Polish people couldn't learn and speak polish? You expect that Polish people will sit and wait for their culture to become extinct?
it's the some problem You have with Lithuania, Latvia and especially Estonia now.

Do You think that we forget Boleslav The Brave?

Again...What Russia has to do with Boleslav the Brave? You again assume that Kiev state is Russia. That whole Ruthenia is Russia=Moscovy. This is what is the most sick thing about Russians. Their delusions. Where is russian speaking person or eastern orthodox religion or Slavs! there is Russia! Boleslav the Brave, it's a problem between Ukraine and Poland.
Besides it's no problem at all. And Duchy of Moscovy has existed since 1263...Boleslav the Brave is not your part of history. Kiev is the beginning of Ruthenian Christian history not Moscow. It;s Ukrainian history and you try to seize it. First You seize its history then country itself.

Do You think that we forgive you Your sharp distinctions from Us?

And who has inferiority complex? Even if we distinct...why does it hurt Russia so much? Maybe we distinct because Russian friendship is deadly.

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Did you know Bratwurst boy that it was Britain who discovered DNA....alot of scientists around the world call this discovery alone the ''8th wonder of the world''.....We also started the Industrial Revolution which changed the way we all live, and a Londoner in California invented the World Wide Web....The impact of that alone on the world is obvious....Infact a French research afew years ago discovered that Britain has invented 54% of the worlds marketable inventions. When a Pole or a Russian wants to boast to everyone on this site about there famous people...They end up listing a bunch of No-Bodies!!.....The best thing about being British is.... all I do is Mention a couple of great Britons off the top of my head.... and I end up running rings around every foreigner on this site!!....There are some people out there who say Britain ''invented the modern world''....All you lot have to your credit is a bunch of poets and composers!!....WOWEE!!

Oh yes sorry I forgot.....It was Bomber Command that bombed the hell out of those fearsome people!!

and ofcoarse we are all communicating with each other in my language.....I rest my case.

The bomber will always get through. In this case it's idiots. The guest posters are getting restless. Squadron scramble.

Now i'm pretty sure it said somewhere that this is an English speaking board. Yep that'll be it then.

Lucky Johnny Foreigner took the time to learn. Hard to shout and point over the internet. :)

[quote=ajgraham] forgot.....It was Bomber Command that bombed the hell out of those fearsome people!!
Do you have any doubt that if there had been no Russia,now you would write in german?

Southern,

Yes ofcoarse there were Russians....I was speaking from a British point of view....Quoting Bratwurst Boy about his ''Feared Worriers'' Since it was Bomber Command that killed about 3/4 of a million Germans.......I don't think you could say we were ''shaking in our boots''!!

NO....Since Britain is an Island that had the biggest Navy in the world!......No I don't think I would be speaking German.

yeah good thing us Americans didnt get involved .....

This was a polite way of addressing someone in Russia, on par with Pan/ Pani, until the Bolsheviks obliterated social decorum and replaced it with "comrade". Thanks to Polish spirit our culture was kept alive- I still use this, but I am curious as to how many others on this forum use it?