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southern
  May 26, 07, 19:01  #151

Quoting: ajgraham
NO....Since Britain is an Island that had the biggest Navy in the world!......No I don't think I would be speaking German.

Do you know how many british divisions were in the West?The germans had 180 divisions in the east and 50 divisions in the west.Do you know how big was the soviet army and what ammunition it had?
Is there any battle that the british army won against the germans accept El Alamein,which had no strategic consequences since the americans had already landed in Algeria?
France 1940,Kreta 1941,Africa 1941,Tobruk 1942,Arnhem 1944,even in Normandy the british troops could not penetrate the german front.Had there not been the americans with Patton in France and Italy,the british army would never advance.
The soviets were beasts.They died in masses.British were not prepared to die.

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southern
  May 26, 07, 19:04  #152

Quoting: ajgraham
about his ''Feared Worriers'' Since it was Bomber Command that killed about 3/4 of a million Germans.......I don't think you could say we were ''shaking in our boots''!!

You forget that british airplanes did not exactly bomb the warriors but dropped the bombs in some dense populated cities full of civilians.It is not sth to be proud of and there is doubt if this bombing had any effect on the course of the war at all.

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ajgraham [Guest]
  May 26, 07, 19:09  #153

Quoting: Patrycja19
yeah good thing us Americans didnt get involved .....



It would just mean that everyone else in Europe would live under the Communist yoke....Since at that time all of Britains trade was done within the Empire. How would that of affected us?

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southern
  May 26, 07, 19:13  #154

Quoting: Patrycja19
yeah good thing us Americans didnt get involved

The americans did excellent logistics.How is it possible to have only 300.000 dead in a war and be a winner with the germans have 4.000.000 dead soldiers?
The americans knew how to count the possible soviet losses.For every thousand of dead they gave some ammunition,tracks and food to Russia.To be able to cope with the germans but not to become too strong.And they advanced calculating the number of corpses.

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ajgraham [Guest]
  May 26, 07, 20:45  #155

Quoting: southern
Do you know how many british divisions were in the West?The germans had 180 divisions in the east and 50 divisions in the west.Do you know how big was the soviet army and what ammunition it had?


So what has all that got to do with landing an Army on an Island with the biggest Navy in the world??

Quoting: southern
s there any battle that the british army won against the germans accept El Alamein,which had no strategic consequences since the americans had already landed in Algeria?
France 1940,Kreta 1941,Africa 1941,Tobruk 1942,Arnhem 1944,


Was there any battles that the Russians won against the Germans during this period of the war?....The Germans rounded up the Russians in huge pockets, millions at a time....We were all fighting the best Army in the world and had to learn from our mistakes in the same way the Russians had too....But I think we did that in the end....as your mention of El Alamein says....When the inexperienced American Army entered the war for the first time in the desert the Germans hammered them at the Kesserine Pass...Which led Rommel to nick name them....''Englands Italians''.

As for your disrespectful comments about British troops in Normandy....This was because the British and Canadian Army fought the hardcore of the German Army in France....i.e. all of the elite SS Panzer Divisions were stationed around Caen, many were veterans from Russia.....Most of the soldiers fighting on the American side were not even German!!....They were Poles, Russians, Baltic states etc.....but the fierce fighting around Caen did destroyed all of the German tanks....some 2000 in all,.....This enabled that all American hero General Patton to go galloping across France thanks to the Brits with no Germans in front of him....Just to quote the German Chief of staff in Normandy....General Blumentritt....Who was asked after the war about the quality of allied troops opposing him... he said ''As for the British it proved almost impossible to shift them....To counter attack the British always cost us heavy casualties.....As for the Americans they always attacked with zest.....but once they came under artillery fire they usually fell back to their start line!!....Not exactly ''Saving Private Ryan''.

As for Arnhem.... it was a big cock up....but again the Germans the Paratroops fought against....the 9th and 10 SS Panzer Divivsions had come from Russia....and after the Battle had ended they said we were the best troops they had ever fought against.

I could keep going on about General Alexander in Italy....Replacing American troops who had come under fierce resistance at the Gustav Line with British troops!!.....but I I think i've said enough for now....Britain was not the main player in the war, but we can take pride in the part we did play.....The attacks against us comes from envy.

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ajgraham [Guest]
  May 26, 07, 20:51  #156

Quoting: southern
You forget that british airplanes did not exactly bomb the warriors but dropped the bombs in some dense populated cities full of civilians.It is not sth to be proud of and there is doubt if this bombing had any effect on the course of the war at all.


Ofcoarse its something to be proud of....Thats what the plan was.

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ajgraham [Guest]
  May 26, 07, 21:00  #157

Quoting: southern
The soviets were beasts.They died in masses.British were not prepared to die.



You mean they out numbered the Germans....and thats why they won!!

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Patrycja19
  May 26, 07, 22:17  #158

Quoting: ajgraham
You mean they out numbered the Germans....and thats why they won!!


how bout you include that all world powers were fighting..
heres some reading for ya!

worldwar-2.net

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 27, 07, 02:38  #159

Quoting: ajgraham
Oh yes sorry I forgot.....It was Bomber Command that bombed the hell out of those fearsome people!!


Yup...Women and Children staying behind whereas the men fought across Europe in the Wehrmacht...chasing Tommies from Dunkirk and Narvik...licking their wounds till help comes!

And for the rest:

All the good about you comes from your predominant german genes, the mighty Angles, Saxons and Vikings!

Cheers! :)

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 27, 07, 02:42  #160

Quoting: southern
France 1940,Kreta 1941,Africa 1941,Tobruk 1942,Arnhem 1944,even in Normandy the british troops could not penetrate the german front.Had there not been the americans with Patton in France and Italy,the british army would never advance.


Fact!

No western ally could have won against Germany on their own...they needed to gang up together to wear us down!
Nothing to be proud of!

The ONLY one a German will pay his respect to are the Russians!

You don't have to like them but respect them you must!

*bows*

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 27, 07, 02:53  #161

Quoting: ajgraham
As for your disrespectful comments about British troops in Normandy....This was because the British and Canadian Army fought the hardcore of the German Army in France.



Crap!

You never met the "hardcore" troops....Our best were all busy in Russia...you fighted against kids from the HJ or second rate units in france for rest and refittting.

Not everything with SS in the name was by 44 "elite"!

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ajgraham [Guest]
  May 27, 07, 03:53  #162

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
You never met the "hardcore" troops....Our best were all busy in Russia...you fighted against kids from the HJ or second rate units in france for rest and refittting.


No the Americans fought against second rate troops....The main troops defending around caen were the 1st and2nd SS Panzer corps.....Amongs them was the 1st SS Leibstandarte Division....Were they 2nd rate?.....And the 9th SS and 10th SS Divisions were brought back from Russia during Normandy to stop the British and Canadians breaking out. As for the 12th SS HJ Division....Yes they were young boys, but the opinion of both the Allies and Germans was they were probably the best troops in Normandy.

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Not everything with SS in the name was by 44 "elite"!



I agree....Some of the SS Divisions were made up of foreign troops and were not too good, but the Divisions in Normandy were German and had received most of there tanks and stuff.....There is a popular myth that goes around about all this that you obviously believe!!

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ajgraham [Guest]
  May 27, 07, 04:04  #163

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
chasing Tommies from Dunkirk and Narvik...licking their wounds till help comes!


You chased everyone around during this period of the war......Thats what I was talking about....but the Tommies came back for more.... with unfortunate results for Germany!!

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
All the good about you comes from your predominant german genes, the mighty Angles, Saxons and Vikings!


Thanks for that compliment Bratwurst Boy....So you admit you believe some of the things i've said??

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 27, 07, 04:24  #164

Quoting: ajgraham
As for the 12th SS HJ Division....Yes they were young boys, but the opinion of both the Allies and Germans was they were probably the best troops in Normandy.


Think about that...a bunch of inexperienced 17 years old thrown into their first battles being called "the best troops in Normandy"...what does that say about the rest?

GB and Germany shouldn't have fighted each other in the first place...what a waste!

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Grzegorz_
  May 27, 07, 05:37  #165

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy

No western ally could have won against Germany on their own...


And germans of course fought "on their own"... already in 39 you had Austria, Slovakia and the Soviet Union, against the SU the whole armies from Hungary, Romania, Baltics, Finland, the whole divisions of volunteers from Norway, Belgium, Croatia, Ukraine etc. + Italians, Vichy France and Japanese were keeping most forces of Yanks in the Pacific...

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Grzegorz_
Edited by: Grzegorz_  May 27, 07, 05:38  #166

BTW a german on the eastern front :)))))))))))))))))))




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Bratwurst Boy
  May 27, 07, 05:47  #167

A Pole should be silent when people talk about warring!

LOL

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Grzegorz_
  May 27, 07, 06:04  #168

Polish flag flown at the Brandenburg Gate after the battle



LOL 2 times.

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 27, 07, 06:11  #169

But never a true polish flag Greggie Boy...the same russian flag flew about your people for the next 50 years!

Without the allies holding the hands of the dumb Polaks you would have gone nowhere!

We took the whole world on...and this world needed 6 years to beat us!
We can still be proud....what does Poland have to show besides being the playground for the grown ups?

ROFL

"Q: What do you do if a Polak throws a hand-grenade at you?

A: Take the pin out and throw it back.


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Did you hear about the Polish Admiral who wanted to be burried at sea when he died?

Five sailors died digging his grave


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ConstantineK
  May 27, 07, 06:17  #170

Quoting: anielka
Quoting: ConstantineK
prefer much refined, French term - Monsieur

A much refined title in Russian is Gaspodin/ Gaspodina, since you are not French, a more fitting title to address you would be tovarich.


To be exact - Gospodin (Gospozha). Yeah, thanks god, i am not french. And the title tovarisch is not to bad than you think.

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 27, 07, 06:20  #171

Germany didn't need help for THAT...A Parade through Warschau:

parade_through_Warsa.jpg
parade_through_Warsa.jpg

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ConstantineK
  May 27, 07, 06:24  #172

Quoting: Crow
I am not naive. It`s logic...

Tell me, what would you suggest instead of Democratic Slavic Union- Slavia?

Domination of some privileged elite or some privileged Slavs? I refuse that! Or, maybe you suggest that Slavs don`t need Slavic Union? Assimilation in global Corporate `Republik` is inevitable without Union!


Union...hemm we would slaughter each other in such union. Especially living together with poleswe would make a blood bath. ;-)))))

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ConstantineK
  May 27, 07, 06:25  #173

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Germany didn't need help for THAT...A Parade through Warschau:


See on the result !!!

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Grzegorz_
  May 27, 07, 06:29  #174

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
But never a true polish flag


It's the same flag.

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ConstantineK
  May 27, 07, 06:29  #175

Quoting: southern
Crow tell us.If Putin proposed to Serbia to become the 19th province of Russia,like he proposed to Belarus,would you accept?


Whooooo proposed such thing? as i know Belarus is independent state, isn't it?

And Russia has not 18 or even 19 provinces but 89......

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 27, 07, 06:32  #176

Quoting: Grzegorz_
It's the same flag.


Russians holding your hands...LOL

Just accept it Greggie...Poles are the perpetual losers in Europe...
Even on the winning side in WWII you lost!

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Grzegorz_
  May 27, 07, 06:35  #177

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
of the dumb Polaks


You know what trash ? I always try to nice for retards as you are punished enough by nature, but there are some limits...

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Germany didn't need help for THAT.


Except Austrians, Slovaks and Soviets... and your subhumans still couldn't even march straight.

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Bratwurst Boy
  May 27, 07, 06:36  #178

Austrians ARE Germans you dumb Polack!

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ConstantineK
  May 27, 07, 06:38  #179

Quoting: Guest
Do You think that we forget Boleslav The Brave?

Again...What Russia has to do with Boleslav the Brave? You again assume that Kiev state is Russia. That whole Ruthenia is Russia=Moscovy. This is what is the most sick thing about Russians. Their delusions. Where is russian speaking person or eastern orthodox religion or Slavs! there is Russia! Boleslav the Brave, it's a problem between Ukraine and Poland.
Besides it's no problem at all. And Duchy of Moscovy has existed since 1263...Boleslav the Brave is not your part of history. Kiev is the beginning of Ruthenian Christian history not Moscow. It;s Ukrainian history and you try to seize it. First You seize its history then country itself.


What a nonsense!!!! The history of kievan rus in not a part of russian? It's a ravings of a madman !!!! It's the same state, the same people, the same religion....What is a Ruthenia? It's just latinized name of russia. Grand Duchy was only and true heir of kiev.

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Grzegorz_
  May 27, 07, 06:42  #180

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy



Sub, you will regret that.

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