Polish hatred towards Jews...

How do you think these people never assimilated into any society, or how is it that they have not disappeared entirely after not having a state for 2000 years, wandering around the globe?

Simply, they were thought intense hatred for all other nations from childhood and instilled in them is a sense of strong victimization that they were persecuted by everyone else and the whole world is against them.

A Dutch thing? Here in the states I have been invited to a few Bar-Mitzva here in the states by Jewish friends, and was glad to attend because we knew the boys involved very well.

Hmm... 20 lines of "my life was hell" etc. 5 out of 15 posts about damn evil Polaks chasing me little innocent Żydek...

Grzegorz, you're an idiot, exactly like that ones I met IRL. And you're not even trying to be funny! damn dude! Don't know any Jew jokes? What kind of anti-semite are you?

And to the rest of you.
I am Polish, have PL passport, speak Polish as my mother language. if that disqualifies me from being on a Polish forum, then fine have it your way.

And for the record, I can't stand Kosinski, what a self-righteous prick!

My post was not meant to be provocative, it simply explained how it was in the 70s and 80s. Who knows, maybe Trojmiasto was the hotbed of anti-semitism during those times.
Glad to hear Dariusz that your experiences were different.

And yeah, even as an 8 yo (though in Gdynia they used to do FC when you were 10) you know you're a tad bit different when all your friends go to religion classes and you don't.

I have many Polish friends who don't give a flying f*ck through a rolling donut about a person's religion or skin color. But as evidenced by this discussion, plenty of Poles still do.

LOL!

I saw an interesting program on the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. I understand it was their 65th anniversary on Saturday - RIP to all the heroes who perished in their struggle.

What saddened me was the blatant hatred toward the Poles expressed by the Jews interviewed. One old lady, a Jewish insurgent, when asked about the worst thing she experienced, replied: seeing the little Polish children on a swing set watching the ghetto burn. Strange. Imagine having all that hatred built up for all these years over seeing children watch a fire.

Comments like this lead me to believe that there's something not right with some of these people.

It was strange listening to these comments, then watching the Polish government's memorial to the uprising - who really hates who?

Or maybe somebody is simply emotionally not mature enough to realize that kids are sometimes cruel and that doesn't have to be connected with being Jew, black or whatever else... ?



Which religion classes ?

I agree with Lukasz and Dariusz, this is pure provocation and not worth any future comments from myself.

Probably...



The worst thing is that she probably made that up... but that's a matter of cultural differences between Jews and Goys, different values, different definitions of truth and lie etc.

See? You're putting words into people's mouth. Who the hell mentioned anything about you being disqualified from posting here?

You seem to see things the way you want to see them?



In 1970's when Germany paid some reparations to Poland to be paid to Polish victims of WW2 a Jewish person approached my aunt to sign an affidavit stating that my aunt was a witness of that person having been in Auschwitz. My aunt remembered the Jewess so she signed but decided not to apply herself. All those years she considered herself already rewarded by having been able to survive the horror of the concentration camp.

After a couple years though, at the insistance of her children, auntie applied too. She asked the Jewish lady (for the lack of a better word) to sign the witness affidavit. She refused, stating that my aunt's greed had no limits.

If Jew didn't hat Pols until now, they would totally start doing so after reading this forum!!

I think you shouldn't use different nick names. ;-)

Firstly, In Gdańsk there is almoust no Jews. Because of history of this town (look on map form 1938) and read history of Gdansk Jews. So if somebody didn't go to religion lessons he was propably kid of communists officers (they didn't go to church) or simple atheists/orthodox... In 1970s - 1980s smashing majority of Polish communists were native Poles (even in worst anti-semits versions). So your version with lessons in schools isn't possible.

I know that this forum is so easy to troll :) Stick to facts, as to me you could tell that you were Jews from Łódz or Warszawa ... not Gdańsk... In Gdańsk even there are single Jews connections between not going to church and being Jew are bit funny (like everywhere in Poland but Gdańsk is one of the worst examples you could choose).

History of Gdańsk Jews:

http://www.inyourpocket.com/poland/gdansk/sightseeing/category/260-Jew ish_Gdansk.html

:) honestly you could choose better.

Gday Darius,

That's despicable - I honestly don't know what else to say. There's probably scores of honest and upright persons such as your aunt who have similar anecdotes, but as she did, they choose to press on with their lives and not raise a fuss - but szlachta are cut from a different cloth.



Could be. Or she read the same book I did. An Aussie author wrote a book about the Jews under Polish rule. There were several eyewitness accounts relating similar stories - people watching the ghetto burn. The context in which they relayed this detail was such that you felt as though the witnesses should have jumped the fence and started fighting as well.

There was a documentary a few years ago made by an Aussie comedian who calls himself "Austen Tatious". He's apparently of Polish/Jewish descent (I think his name was Glichman). He went to Poland to 'trace his roots'. He was quite angry towards the Polish, blaming them for the demise of his family and for taking his family's possessions during the war.

He went to the apartments where his family once lived, and on camera, stood in the atrium and started screaming out for his grandparents. Some old people came out to see what was going on, and told him his grandparents had left long ago. He was a strange man.

Grzegorz,
I didn't make anything up.
Go, talk to Lukasz. We took it outside and clarified a few things yesterday.
;-)

there is somethning known in the history as primary and secondary sources. Primary sources are made by historians and secondary are made by people and are called personal accouts of what has happen. Or the other way around. They complement each other.

I come from a Jewish family who lived in Poland till 1935, and never have I heard that Poles hated them. On the contrary - they had many Polish friends.

I live in Israel and whenever I hear about "Poles Hating Jews", I get furious. It is well known that Poles, and not a handful of saints, but many thousands of them, endangered themselves by saving Jews during WW2.

Talila,
writing from Tel Aviv, Israel

Some from eastern Poland said it was the other way around, 1939-40 this was due to the Jewish helping Soviets and Ukrainian in removal of Polish from the east to cattle cars. Yet prior to this intervention they lived side by side respecting each others rights and being close friends and neighbors.

If you want to rule, it helps first to divide.

LOL, gotta love the donkey

now we should hug

as I have done using PM with Anna_ET

Hi Miranda - forgive me for being a smart ass, but primary sources are eye witness or contemporary accounts and secoondary sources are made after the fact by historians etc.

OK, thanks. Too lazy too check;)

Hi Anna my ex husband was a jewish guy but it dont make me hate any of the jewish people less. my father is partly jewish but I was born and raised with the church but for some reason i always feel close to the jewish people.sorry that you had to deal with pri cks that had no smarts and were ignorants retards. I hate those who are anitsemectic because they are stupid.I support you and keep feeling free to talk your ideas hope things get better for you god bless you.

These are facts but they are not discussed at great length by most historians for the fear of being accused of anti-semitism.

The fact also is that a disproportionate number of top UB (Polish KGB) brass soon after WW2 were Jews. Stalin knew he couldn't trust native Poles as much. That is not to say that all Jews were UB agents, but as it happens with people, stereotypes spread and the innocent become the "collateral damage". Hence two waves of Jewish emigration from Poland after WW2.

It is noticable that some Americans don't understand political climate in Poland. When it comes to Polish-Jewish realtionship ;)

I think they should read main newspapers

http://miasta.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,34889,5138505.html



http://www.rp.pl/temat/120621.html

or read about some cooperation between Israel and Poland ...

I am not saying it is good or bad I just think that Poland went in different direction and we are in different reallity than some pepople think...

project of Shalom tower in Warszawa (Warszawa Jews want to build it)



Jewish culture festival Kraków: (website in English)

http://www.jewishfestival.pl/index.php?lang=e

This argument is valid to some extend, however I think that the Soviets tried to divide Polish society and move away angriness of native Poles from themselves towards the Jews.



If native Poles were allowed to leave then many of them would do so as well.

If you want to keep ruling, it also helps to divide.

Who gets the blame when things are not going well in your country. Certainly not the people in charge. They blame the problems on a convenient minority.

Mugabe blames Zibabwe's problems on white farmers and the UK trying to reestablished a colony. His corruption and incompetence has nothing to do with it.

Idi Amin expelled some 50,000 Indians from Uganda because God told him to do so. Boy, did that solve Uganda's problems.

Prior to WWII German Jew were well integrated into German society. Most considered themselves nationally as Germans and religiously as Jewish or no religion. They had served the German nation well during WWI.

If you don't have Jews, you target gays, or Lutherans, or Blacks or whoever convienent.

there is good and bad in every country but ignorance is bad. so people we are supposed to be a better society then the 1940s we should understand better.

I posted a joke in reply to a complaint from another Forum subscriber about the lack of Jewish jokes on this thread...it was deleted by moderators as objectionable...what we have here are communists without a sense of humor!


Anna_ET:
And you're not even trying to be funny! damn dude! Don't know any Jew jokes? What kind of anti-semite are you?

JoePilsudski:
Although your reply wasn't directed to me, I know many Jewish jokes...here is one with a spiritual slant:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=296 143719&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1

By the way, right on point, any hatred toward another is usually a sign of one's own self-hatred.