Polish hatred towards Jews...

One sided or mutual.
One of my very Jewish friend told me story that when his grandfather wanted his father to go into business with Poles grandfather sent him to learn polish. After 450 years this family did not know language of a country they lived in. His explanation was that Polish culture had not much to offer, indeed German Jews were quite integrated. Another reason for animosities is the position Jews were placed in: not being allowed to own land, money lending (it was an "unchristian", but necessary), small trade (below dignity of szlachta and above abilities of peasantry). Big part of separating these communities (nations?) was Rabbis, imagine what will happen to them and hereditary Rebbes would Polish Jews assimilate. My mother was watching end of Warsaw Ghetto Uprising from the groudns of Palac Krasinskich and it was traumatic for her. Sometime before she run away after being caught passing messages through the gate to the Getto. After WWII Poland had Russian imposed government run till 1953 by "troika" Bierut (president), Berman (State Security), and Minc (Prime Minister for Economic Affairs). The last two being Jewish. Most of the State Security top officials were Jewish. This was during the time of Bloody terror in Poland. I think he solution is a divorce, peaceful if possible. In my humble opinion polish government should use its leverage being a member of EU and give an indication to Israeli politicians and international Jewry indication that it will use its vote accordingly to their actions.

I hate antisemitic people so stupid

so, LAGirl, what exactly is an antisemitic person in your books? I know what I think an antisemitic person is but i'm curious as to how you would define such a person.

Plus, LAGirl, while I appreciate your opinion and I know where you're coming from, plus, your heads in the right place so I don't want to be preachy, BUT to say "I hate antisemitic people" continues the cycle of hatred perpetrated by antisemitic people. I hate antisemitism. I don't hate people.

My family comes from Poland, they have not experienced antisemitism and have never been called "Bzyd".
Talila, Tel Aviv

Bah, I tan dark...I was called a rather nasty name when we moved to the Midwest from California. Was held at the California/Mexico border, mistaken for Mexican as a young teen - rather bizarre thing to go through, but heaps of comprehension.

Come full gamut, being called a 'Vampire' because I'm now pale, and stay inside during the heat of the day. Didn't anyone say that tanning is bad for you!? I also pointed out to the cretins who dared to call me a vampire that my family helped to lock up Elizabeth Bathory. But then, I'd be called prejudiced, if I named the group who call me 'Vampire.' I actually tested the word around two ethnic groups out here, and discovered that its ingrained as deeply as the fear as snakes & spiders. I chose to remove myself from being around those people who accused me out of fear earlier this this month.

I find their children are more open-minded.

But I can tell you that "Multi-culturalism" doesn't exist everywhere!!

What is wrong with the world? Who knows - people are trigger-happy to name call, even when there isn't a reason. At least I learned about prejudism young, and know that only fools are that way along with being antisemitic.

You did what?


But to Julie's point, prejudist people are everywhere. In California plenty of people think I'm dumb because I come from the Midwest. And people in the Midwest think I'm lazy because I know live in California. Ay ay ay!

Eb, I like you, I really like you! ;)

It's in the history books about Elizabeth Bathory, lol. At least you weren't snoozing during the history exam - have a cookie!

Hey, us Californians gotta stick together, even if the people out here still think of me as a "slow, little" Iowan. I've read about Elżbieta Batory--bad lady. I'm partial to her grandfather, though.

You must get that impression corrected. Remind them you are a "slow, little" Missourian from the Ozarks.

While, I've spent more than my fair share of time deep in the Ozarks, I was raised an Iowan. Plus, most of my MO time was spent in the Northern half around you in St. Peters, F15guy.

Eb, Lady Bathory's family was pretty good - unfortunately, she used it to her own advantage, and unfortunately, she wasn't caught until she preyed upon the Nobility's daughters.

No worries, Julie. Your family is comendable for capturing the "Blood Countess." I think is so cool that you're a descendant of such a historic family.

And these are all talkbacks from a single article (except the very last one) published in Ynetnews.com few days ago.

http://www.ynetnews.com/
Who really hates WHOM?

Haaretz gets even better with slanderous and preposterous allegations.

LOL !!! Jews are probably the most Polonophobic nation in the world but they are smart enough to make themselves look like victims no matter what really happens.

Did you even read what the artical was about? If you knew history at all you would know that Polands people were the victim's reguardless of who they prayed to. Thank you for pointing me in the direction of where this anti-Polish stems from.

Just in case you are not aware the question in this is "Polish hatred towards Jews" not "Jewish hatred towards Polish"

yes. according to some, polish people are victims regardless of anything anybody does or says

Make love, not war. Down with hatred :)

Yes, and I summed it up with this question: who really hates whom.

This is so sad. Children are being educated in Israel that Poland, not "occupied" Poland was in control. I say it's time Poland starts setting the "Nation" straight.

After all that our families went through to have blame placed on the ones that lost the most is beyond words. After all it was Poland's people that were attacked in 1939, not "Jewish".

The topic of this discussion should be Jews hatred toward Poles and not the other way around. As long as many of the media outlets are in Jewish hands, there is no chance for presenting our point. Is it hey they use that shaming us to force us to accept some demands? What is the reason for this hatred, can it be money? I just can not figure out where the money is. Do they expect some reparations? Possibly compensations for lost property. Is it that some can claim Polish citizenship now as a means of entry to Europe?
Possibly to force Polish government to support Israel regardless of circumstances (similar to German government).
Since we do not have access to the world media we cannot do anything about it. As for actions of our government, the best position would be to indicate that it does not make Poles friendly toward them. Government may indicate that under a pressure of population it may not be so supportive of Israel on the international arena. Treat them as adversary.
On the long run it is going to harm them, and as usual it will harm most those who do not deserve it.
There is that clever thing in it: Is it a religion or the nation? One should treat it as one and the same. Because of the "law of return" every Jew is a citizen of the state of Israel. Every Jew is concerned with this state and Israel can influence his actions.

Please..jews...Poles..get a bloomin room...its like seeing two people,so obviously with so much in commen having some pre lovers tiff...
Jew" We suffered the most!"
Pole"No,we suffered the most!"..
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You've got It completely wrong. More or less like this...

Jew "Poles were worse than nazis. They are antisemitic ! They owe us $100 billion..."
Pole "F. you damn Jew"
Jew "Antisemitism ! Antisemitism ! Oy vey !"

That's fairly accurate Greg

haha - so true

Poles were my family's friends, they never called us "Bzyd", they even held my grandfather of such high esteem that they asked him to be a judge. Yet there were strings attached - if he wanted the position he had to be converted to Christianity.

My grandfather disagreed even that he was not a religious Jew, he was even against religion - never took part in Jewish feasts. He explained that it was beneath his dignity to leave a small poor people for a position.

Talila

I think that pointing to message boards as proof of general Jewish hate for Poles or the other way around is fairly lame. People with a grudge to bear either legitimate or more likely not, are more likely to post messages than people that don't.

I'm fairly certain that the Jew who posted about the holocaust being in Poland not Canada would be laughed at if he/she said the same thing in amongst a collection of randomly slected Jews. Safer to post such moronic statements annonymously on a message board.

I am sure, you're right, but at the same time it is quite weird, that when one person makes such a statement, others cheerfully applause.

forum exchange:
Quicky another 'scholar' joined the conversation:

And then the one asking the question ('r u suggesting') is called an antisemite, jew hating, lier and history rewritter (no doubt this was me who asked) - on that and many other threads.

I am sorry, but when one sees such a thing - one cannot stay indifferent. I don't even blame those people, no-one can get such retarded ideas like Poles responsible for holokaust 'just like that'.

Someone, SOMEONE, must have taught them this.

Enough.

This was my last post on this subject - I kinda hijacked the thread, I am sorry for that.

I just hope, that you DO understand the basic physics: action -> reaction. Polish-Jewish relations have a very, very long history, almost a millenium, are very complex and cannot be painted out in black-and-white in 5 minutes.

Poles are not angels, never were, but constant accusations from the Jews, who DO paint themselves as nothing more but saint martyrs, are totally off, not true, unjust and not fair.

Food for thought.

Cheers,
~g.

Of course, people forget that Poles themselves were tossed into Auscwitz - just ask my Roman Catholic Elders who survived it, while under NAZI OCCUPATION!

Have you forgotten already what happened with Katyn!? That's when the Polish Intellectuals, Officers, anyone with a brain was brutally MURDERED. After that, Poland had serious issues, without her LEADERS, when the Nazis came in. Like beheading a dragon, and watching her flounder.

Yes - Stalin & Hitler had a plan - and the Poles and the Jews were NEITHER part of it. "Land grab" speaks heavily here, and we weren't supposed to survive.

antisemtic people to answer your question are people who hate arabs or jews who dont know anything but to hate. I dont hate people but how they act.yes Poles died at the hands of the Germans blame them not jews