Polish immigration in UK

And whom do you think your ancestors saw after they'd crawled from under the Glacier after the end of Ice Age ?

According to Crow King Arthur was Serbian, so perhaps we should blame him

Eh? Are you serious?

Poland was taken over by the Red Army during WW2 and "communism" was imposed from above.

I personally am a Socialist. I never saw that anything behind the Iron Curtain was in any way Communist, but imposed State Capitalism. (hiya any other former SWP members out there!!!!)

The thing that you say lennyd, about them being "communist" seems to show the level of intellect you are working at. Everyone can be pigeonholed and denigrated for whatever reason you deem fit, because they can't trace their family back in the UK to those who built Stonehenge. It's a ridiculous argument.

I've written elsewhere on here that I am losing money because there is a surfeit of labour available to the employers in this town, and no doubt in other UK towns too. What you seem to forget is that all through Industrial times, when the bosses have wanted to reduce costs, they've driven down wages. It used to be in manufactured unemployment, lay-offs etc. But in no way am I ever going to blame a fellow worker for trying to better their lot. No matter what the colour of their skin, creed, or former Govt.

The truly idiotic thing to me is that you blame those who probably have more in common with your, and my, situation. A few Poles MAY be claiming money here, based on news you've read in a newspaper that has an interest in you blaming those who are fellow workers and not the system that creates this absolute mess in the first place. Poles come here and work. They create profit. If they didn't, the businesses they work for would not employ them. A lot of those business are owned by companies abroad. Those profits go abroad. Are you going to rail against that kind of thing too?
What about businessmen who live in the UK and avoid tax while reaping the benefit of employing low cost workers in the UK.... what about loopholes in the tax system that would absolutely dwarf anything you can imagine about child-benefit being sent to Poland?

The wonderful thing about the UK, and it's what puts the Great in Great Britain is that we're percieved, correctly and incorrectly, as being an open, honest and welcoming nation. I am immensely proud of that. And for everyone who comes here, and works, contributes to the success of this nation, which makes it a better place for me and you.

there are communists in every country, but to say Poles are communist is totally wrong and a sweeping generalisation and I take offence to such a statement.

If I were you, i would be less concerned about the Poles who have come over to UK and earn an honest living, but be more concerned about the Muslims who are trying to undermine and erode British society.
UK is Christian , yet there is more and more anti-Christian sentiment being heard from various groups, predominantly Muslim.



Here I have to agree with you ..... England is going to the dogs ...... but not as a result of the Poles coming to work here in UK - England has been 'going to the dogs' as you say for long before 2004, when Poland was accepted into EU. UK has been going into decline regarding NHS, Education etc .. for the last 10 years !

The present Labour government is responsible for the decline in Britains 'Britishness' and national identity !

But the thing is, why should an immigrant come to the UK and sit on their arse taking money from the government? Overall, no one who is capable of working should be sitting on their arse, but if you choose to move countries, then you have a responsibility to support yourself without relying on the government of your host country.


A minimum standard of English is usually a requirement for employment. Hopefully the Pakistani and Iranian 'cashiers' have higher standards than you...



As previously stated before, Somalians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Iranians and Turkish immigrants are the most likely to be reliant on a benefit. Why on earth are you bringing religion into this?


Ahh yes you would prefer to believe the propaganda peddled by 'Migration Watch' rather than hard facts.


Lets make this very basic for you; if employers can't find labour for a reasonable rate, they move jobs offshore. Jobs in the UK provide employment - admittedly at a low rate - and tax income by way of personal and company taxes.


Companies pay what is affordable to allow them to make a profit. If goods are priced too high - due to high labour costs - then they don't sell, meaning no jobs. However I do believe an increase in the minimum wage is warranted.

As many have said to you before, do you understand the basic fundementals of a 'market economy'?

yes exactly my point why shold people from poland new zeland estonia germany come hear and live of my tax mony which would be better spent giveing me a bigger pention plan in deacades to come a better helh service better prisons for my fellow angosaxon barbarians to stress my point.


dhu english is not my pradomenant language i never speak it hardy ever type in it unselss its for programming so what do i care for your techers pet remark


yes most likely right after the Eurpoeans poles in perticular
i was not the one who broght religion into it why did you not say the same to your fellow
white racist tosser's read the posts befor you have a go at me granny.

a1makji

In Britain everyone knows the worst scroungers are somalis,pakistanis,bangladeshis and other muslims migrants.Sorry my bitter friend but everyone knows the Polish,New Zealanders,Australians etc all work hard,pay taxes and contribute to Britain.The trash (nothing against muslims but they are 95% muslims who do it) come here to leech off the taxes of everyone else.You cannot face the truth but that is your problem.

is that why 99.95 of british prisons are filled to the brink whith lo life christian skum from england i think its you who carnt face the truth you racist idiot 95%of muslims claiming benifit this are the people who pay your wages you fool polish and the scabby e.u citezens work hard what you on about they work and sign on at the same time and when the blues come for them they just dissapear out the country back to there criminal ghettows what you doing on a polish forum if you such a true brit? must be a dole scammer scabby liveing on one bath a month. pakistanis indians kosavans iranians have long left your standards of liveing they have come into the country broght houses whithin 6 mounths drive newly registered cars marry english polish and euopean girls seems to me like your jelose of what you have never had and can never get what a shame look on in dissaray you jelose minger where you getting your figures from you scum must have grown up in some side street ally in bradford next to a muslim mansion sniffing there curry all day got to ya dident it :) i feel sorry for you. poor boy

admin please can you ban the a1makji guy again.. he is extremely offensive and a disgrace to this forum.. in my opinon of course.

it cracked me up yesterday when he posted a link to an article that was supposed to back up his point but infact discredited it... he either didnt bother to read it [stupid] or didnt understand what it was saying [stupid]

This is funny - you whipping yourself up into a frenzy? You don't sound happy,just bitter and jealous.I don't need to reply to this post because you have already made a fool of yourself.95% of muslims are not scroungers,but 95% of migrant scroungers are muslims.I have a very happy life thank you -its obvious from your post that you don't. Hatred,envy,bitterness - you should feel sorry for yourself.

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I think a lot of Pols are dissapointed with the quality of rented accomodation here in uk, and in many cases the landlords don't renevate as they know they can always find a Pol to let out to. I've seen many inhabital houses let out to pols, it's really money making program for the landlords, terrible. In UK we live in some of the worst quality housing (very very small rooms!) in Europe and have some of the most deprived areas around. that's just the way it is sadly..

yes i am familiar with making massive profits and cutting your own people out of work and getting EU peasants working for next to nothing , i know people who have been put out of work by poles it seems every pub you go into these days people are talking about where this open immigration will end ,we done better before poles came here and we'll do so much better if they go home , it's these agencies using them and sending them out to do jobs for minimum wage i call them sprout pickers , while the british employee may have commitments to the uk they are told your getting minimum wage of we will just get poles ,whereas if they wasn't here company's would have to pay better rates for our own people , there is about 300,000 natives been put out of work so far because of polish immigration , and yes migration watch is right i agree with what they say i don't think they are being spiteful towards anyone just telling it how it is , the only people who have gained anything from poles are these unscruplious employers making profits where they can use and manipulate pollocks instead of being made to employ their own people , even the labour party have admitted they made a total mess of the proposed system where they said maybe 16,00 poles would come , the strain on services in some parts of the country is just to much for people to take , brits wait longer to see doctors and their children are interupted with poles coming to schools not being able to speak proper english, if they knew it would end up like this everyone knows the government would have been like germany and france and said no to poor nations coming here freely finding work .. it's madness we need that referendum so the uk can pull out of the EU let's be more like norway and say no

Okay let us clear up some basic faults with your comments; citizens from the old commonwealth, specifically Australians, New Zealands and Canadians cannot claim assistance including social security, housing, or benefits. It is part of the entry requirements for any permit we can obtain that we can support ourselves financially without assistance from the State (e.g. government).


There are approximately 208,900 Bangladeshis in the UK; and almost four times that number of Poles. Only 7,687 Poles are claiming Income Support but 22,979 Bangladeshis are. The same picture is visible through the statistics on ethnic population versus assistance received in the UK. It makes a mockery of your claims that Asian immigrants are supporting the rest of the UK as well as the EU.

The figures I refer to are taken from 'Britains Immigrants: An Economic Profile' published by the IPPR in September 2007, and are the most up to date figures available on ethnic groups in the UK in relation to unemployment and economic contribution. The report can be found (insert URL), but here is a breakdown for you in case you are too lazy or ignorant to work it out;

As of Quarter 4, 2006 the population by country of the biggest beneficiaries of tax payer assistance are;
Somalia
82,300 - 81% not working (Approx. 66,663 unemployed) - 39% claiming Income Support (approx. 32,097) - 80% in social housing (approx. 65,840)
Turkey
69,400 - 59% not working (Approx. 40,946 unemployed) - 21% claiming Income Support (approx. 14,574) - 49% in social housing (approx. 34,006)
Bangladesh
208,900 - 56% not working (Approx. 116,984 unemployed) - 11% claiming Income Support (approx. 22,979) - 41% in social housing (approx. 85,649)
Pakistan
306,400 - 55% not working (Approx. 168,520 unemployed) - 11% claiming Income Support (approx. 33,704) - 15% in social housing (approx. 45,960)
Iran
60,900 - 48% not working (Approx. 29,232 unemployed) - 10% claiming Income Support (approx. 6,090) - 33% in social housing (approx. 20,097)

For comparison, the figures for UK Born are;
UK Born - 52,980,100 - 22% not working (Approx. 11,655,622 unemployed) - 4% claiming Income Support (approx. 2,119,204) - 17% in social housing (approx. 9,006,617)

And finally the figures for Poles are;
Poland - 768,700 - 15% not working (Approx. 115,305 unemployed) - 1% claiming Income Support (approx. 7,687) - 8% in social housing (approx. 61,496)

The top five drains on the UK by ethnic group are; Somalia, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Iran. The combined population of these five groups in the UK is 727,900. The total unemployed for these five ethnic groups combined are 422,345 or over 58%. Income Support Claimants total 109,444 or 15%, while those living in Social Housing total 251,552 or 35%.
Perhaps if these groups (i.e. Somalians, Turkish, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, and Iranians) stood on their own two feet rather than relying on the tax payer - which includes the Poles - they might find life in the UK a lot less cushy and there would be enough money to help those who truly deserve it (the elderly being a good start). I believe there should be restrictions placed on immigrants claiming support from State sources for five years from date of entry. This would promote a 'sink or swim' mentality, and would discourage large groups from immigrating to the UK purely to sit on their backsides as it appears a significant portion of immigrants from Somalia, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Iran do.

LennyD you continue to spout the same rot without listening to the answers.
If a business cannot obtain labour at a reasonable cost, they don't increase their labour budget - they simply move the jobs off shore. No company can be made to hire employees if they are not economically viable.
You would be better off retraining for a higher skilled job that cannot be outsourced (the knowledge economy).
Migration Watch has been linked with the BNP. Given the BNPs attitudes towards immigrants, I would struggle to believe there are no ulterior motives hiding beneath Migration Watch's statements.

i wonder how people find time to write such lengthy posts when they are most likely at work. Isnt it kind of ironic stating that you have a good job and are highly skilled and hardworking, when one is blatantly skiving on here. <looks round for the boss>

i'm on my lunch break .... and anyway I'm my own boss :o))

oh me too :)

We know this, these figures have been set out for all to see many many times....What we should do it offer no assitance and whatsoever and most of the Somalis, Turkish, Kurds, Bangladeshis, Pakis etc are all here claiming asylum.....can you get me the figures for the following

Czech
Slovakia
Hungarian

Lets see how they compare with the Polish, that might give it a bit of an even slant...Because I dont know any Spanish or Italians or French or Germans that live in the UK that are claiming.....or live in social housing or are claiming for kids back home ....

Thansk for your concern, but its my lunch break... not my fault if I type 60wpm

Claiming what ? Isn't that for everyone legally working in UK ?

No, people who dont have kids cant claim it...Brits living in Spain dont claim it :)

yeah the poles are claiming for kids back home which to me is an absolute joke , and even 7,000 poles here claiming why don't they go and claim off poland ? liza seems a big supporter of these poles but what would they do if they had over a million people flooding into their country putting pressure on services and educating their children taking money out the country ,keeping natives out of work ,keeping wages down they would be here moaning and complaining more than anyone not just the poles but the czechs lithuanians and anyone else from the former communist blocks , in the space of 3 years we've just had to have put up with it and it seems as if we say anything we have foreigners like liza and polish scum telling us that we can't comment and were racist or something crazy like that , surely opening free borders with 28 countries is just going to lead to the downfall of your own people , even politicians have admitted that the immigration from the EU is totally out of order and we'd benefit as a nation if less poles were coming here and i just see the BNP saying it how it is , what's the matter can't we comment on the madness of the shambles of immigration without some pole saying were discriminating ? and what if we ,we don't to just have to accept it we are allowed to comment they have a scottish national party so what's wrong with a british national party ? yes we need to look after our own people first like poland would with their people , Gordon brown today has said that we need to get more british people in work as they say that eu immigrants have put more than 300,000 natives out of work in the last 18 months

That's not surprising, don't you think ?



Hmm maybe because they don't work in UK... ?

And that's not over. Soon Poland will start giving EU citizenships to Ukrainians and Belarussians. There are almost 60 million of them.

liza where do you live in the uk ? if you lived near liverpool you'd see how polish are flocking here and making people bitter and contempt i hear it all the time , i even worked on electrical systems in factories and in one particular place where the shop manager was talking to us he turned round and said " these polish keep coming here i never asked for them i just wanted 18 staff and they just keep sending poles i think we need to look after our own people " it's these agencies they flock round these employment agencies you can spot them all the time looking lost with their backpacks looking like tramps walking round town , i personally think they have an arrogance about them , no country can have an open door policy with other poor countries it's MADNESS ! our own people on benefits and struggling to find work then they have to compete with poles who will work for nothing and be used and manipulated and our own citizens told that they have no jobs better than £5.52 AN HOUR and agencies just coining it in using poles while our own genuine people get overlooked

this is a bit of an insult to say brits have UFO style heads have you seen the state the way poles look ? big massive boggly eyes with veins poppin in their heads and weird like sculptured eastern european faces you can usually spot a pole a mile off

That's so sad...

unfortunatly that means you wont be driving into any lamposts anytime soon then?
(BTW, where did the funny wanna be jihadist get too? He was fun,living in a tent in the desert one minute then claiming to be a computor programer here in the UK....crikey,no wonder so much software doesnt work these days if cretins like him write it :) )