Polish immigration in UK

Precisely - sums it up well

Today 1.3 M, what figure will you invent tomorrow ? 2.4 M ? 5 M ? 100 M ?

I work for the Raf and had to take a job offered to me by them due to losing my own buisnes from britain joining the Eu. Immmigrants coming to work here in uk would settle to work for a minimum of £5 per hour. I found that i could not compete with immgrants under cutting my prices and most of my customers chose to go with the cheaper option. All i see on this forum is people blaming polish and other migrant workers,taking jobs etc but if you want to blame someone blame the goverment, they let them all in and sold us brits out. most of my work Colleagues agree that. The goverment state they want to cut down on congestion, How can they do that when you have everyone from europe bringing there cars over here + with the increase of population growth due to migrant workers living and working here, our roads will be grid locked and we will pay for it big time with higher tax hikes. My answer is for all us brits to unite and vote for a independant party to bring some sense to all this madness that this country is falling into. fight the goverment Cj

intelligent opinion i agree they keep wages down and don't do anything to benefit our country ,it just creates higher taxes less jobs lower pay worse health care and a madness that our own government could sell us out to eastern europe , it doesn't effect their lives they still get massive salaries and sh1t on their own people ,allowing unlimited poles czech's lithuanians to come here and undercut our workforce and businesses

Xenophobic
oh yes another little word the banning brigade have brought out , this apparently means your some sort of racist , yes we'll just open our border to 27 countries and if anyone say's anything about it we'll just say their Xenophobic ! why don't we all just be sheep and say nothing because for voicing our opinions were called Xenophobic

But you want to ban things too.

i agree with some of what you say, this is a good point, if you don't like something in 2007 your a racist :) your just going to have to live with it, i do and especially from some people on here

No. If you make unqualified, derogatory remarks about foreigners or people of other ethnicities with no regard for human complexity, variety and decency.

if your talking about me then your a little wrong with that, if its in regard to what the person above me said then i have only read that particular statement and not anything else he has said, so sorry for the lack of reading

I'm only accusing you of making the mistake of saying that complaining about anything will lead to you being called a racist. I'm sure you don't literally mean anything, but yes, there are people who have no argumentative power who resort to using words like 'racism' where it does not apply, but there are people who, in the way they moan about foreigners working in their country, resort to plain, simple racism.

you can't complain just about those people working in our country, if the lazy assed bed sitters would get up and work we wouldn't need as many migrant workers as we have. I totally see your point about the 'racism' word been used in the wrong context or the wrong place.

and of course i didn't mean 'literally anything' i'm not that shor sighted. i think there are a number of points about immigrants or foreign workers that could be made but that isn't just against those people as a group or individuals, for me personally its about the UK. It's a bit selfish i know but i'm sure Poles firstly care about Poland and so on

Tornado1967, what's going on with that quote above? You're taking stuff I have said and making it look as though I was saying something very different.

sorry mate i was half replying to you and half making a point, so what ever you meant of course that is what it should be portraid as by everybody else. Maybe i'm making mistakes because i can't see because of my tears after the England result :(

Torn, could you remind me that part about superiority of English team... ?

well to be honest mate the whole qualification was a shambles, if you put the two teams England vs Poland with everybody playing at their best England are the only winners however it hasn't turned out like that in this qualification stage. If you want me to talk about recent England vs Poland results i can :) cuz i think you'll find that we are a little bit up on the head to head, lol. Although 73 did hurt and that was only a draw and i wasn't even alive.

Spot the semantic difference:

1 - who, in the way they moan about foreigners working in their country, resort to plain, simple racism

2 - foreigners working in their country, resort to plain, simple racism

Quite long time ago... or you are simply not brainny enough to understand the difference between recent EU enlargements and UK joining EU... hmm what could that be...

Moaning about it for the last thirty-something years probably.

True. We can be sure that you won't lose any game during Euro 2008.

Ah, you see, I didn't call you a racist. I called you Xenophobic, which means a fear of foreigners. Much different than a racist, who may like some races, while not liking other races.

Now, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on, in regards to your point, if you made some valid statements. I may not agree with them, but at least it'd be an intelligent point presented with facts in mind.

As it stands, you seem to delight on coming onto an Anglo-Polish site and stating that there are too many foreigners here. Hell, yes, I am one of them... and so are you lennyd. Now where do we draw the line? Do we have to be able to trace our families back to Bears and trees before we qualify as a true Brit?

To me, unlike you, I see that immigration does have positive aspects and I don't just regurgitate Daily Mail leaders.

Here's something for you to get your head around.

Some foreigners come here. They work in lower paid work that is hard for UK businesses to get staff for. They earn a profit for that company. That company, and all of them workers pay tax on what would otherwise not have got done.

Those foreigners have cars, to get to those jobs... they pay tax on the petrol, helping our economy.

I don't know the exact figure, but I'd say a majority of those workers coming to the UK were young, fit and healthy. They aren't an immediate drain on the UK. They contribute. They've got through childhood and tend to be educated. We haven't spent the money on their education.

The UK native population isn't replacing itself and is becoming "greyer" by the year, with an attendant disproportionate burden placed on the tax-paying/working population to cover healthcare and pensions. Young people moving to this country help alleviate the pressure on our own tax system and wont be claiming any pension back for 30-40 years.

Housing may be a shortage, but who is going to build the homes we need? Yup.. that's right, those young immigrants coming to this country. Not just to house themselves, but to cover the increase in housing we need for our own population... and you know what... this economy/ UK businesses will be the ones profiting from that housing boom.

There are positives to immigration, if you care to look for them...

Now.... your turn.. tell me why, you think it'd benefit the UK economy to send everyone home?

well i guess it gives everybody else a chance to win the competition now were not there, lol :)

oh yes letting them undercut our tradesman will help us a whole lot more , fear of foreigners that's great their the ones most likely to mug you. david cameron admitted that the country would prosper more with less immigration they add half a percent to the population each year in our rat raced island full of foreigners

As a father, i cannot imagine any greater sacrifice than to work in menial jobs in a far flung foreign land, so your family can live well from your pittance in your absence. [i]everyone with that determination and loyalty is welcomed by me, in the moral void of modern Britain.
There are myriad details to organise, but to me this principle is paramount.

I dont think complaining about foreigners is being rasist like some may mention on here it depends to which context you state something. There is a degree you can say your opinion everyone has a right to complain about how they feel. If we all shut up and act Politically correct then nothing will be resolved with issues. I agree with a statement made on here there are too many lazy arsed brits who dont want to do the lower standard jobs but in another point polish people and immigrants alike are starting to realise they dont want these jobs either and want the higher paid ones, so use our education system etc to obtain these pushing british born and bred people out of the market. With tony blair introducing an open door policy to the rest of europe it has basically screwed us all over and gordon brown is brain dead. You cannot blame foreign people for flocking to the uk it,s like holding out a carrot to a donkey if the offers there you,l take it if your own country pays crap wages. I may not agree with them all being here but the gates have been opened now. Unless us stupid lazy brits get off our arses and drop this goverment like the pile of shite it is then nothings going to alter. I ask all you guys and girls on here to forget labour forget conservative vote for a totaly independant party that will bring back independance to this country and support the people born and raised here. Most foreign people if there was a war would they stand and fight. Australia has the right idea if you cannot put anything into the country before you go there then youve no chance. Think on this if countrys cannot sort out there own problems, then by coming to britain in hope of a better life all that will happen in the next 10 to 15 years you will see a culture clash and divided communties leading to outbreaks of violence and unrest and our country. I say to anyone from europe thinking of coming to live here you may earn good money have a better life but eventually will end up being dragged down. Congestion will be grid locked, The Nhs will be swamped and already schools are not coping will the influx of migrants requiring english education. I as a Tax payer argue that why should my tax go to paying for foreign kids to be educated here. If you want to work and live in uk you should pay for the education here if you cannot speak good english and before your entitled any benefits out of the system then you should at least of payed tax for 2 years. I leave you with this a somalian women came to uk with two kids had nothing, she then was given a 3 bedroomed house and recieved £32,000 a year in benefits; yet a london couple worked and lived in uk for 20 years had been on a housing list for 6 years to only get a one bedroomed flat. Thats your goverment for you. Have your say on here If people cannot handle opinions then my advice is tough if you dont like it, The more ou try to keep peolple quiet the more angry this country will become. You cannot keep quiet a minority were all entitled freedom of speech. Human rights havent got a clue. Cj

woah... my eyes are bleeding - can we have some paragraphs, please?

Funny its all woe is me in the UK. But perhaps we ought to see the bigger picture. Maybe we in woeful down trodden England should spare a thought for all the Indian and Chinese kids who working 18 hours a day making our clothes. Or the Iraqi's, African's and other poor blighters that are constantly erradicated so we can lay pipelines and enjoy our petrol and oil driven society. Most people have lost perspective.

W*nker!

I appreciate their sacrifice. Maybe we can raise a statue outside Primark?

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Ok, correct me if Im wrong,isnt that treason????

Now, what would we erect? answers on a post card :)