Polish immigration in UK

They already visit Poland - I believe they're called 'stag weekends'....

- Contrary to the media announcements, 99% of Poles working in UK are not immigrants; they don't intend to stay here. They're just guest workers.

- Yes, they do. Even the media in Poland have taken notice of them....
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do you have any evidence, actually the polish migrants have the lowest state dependancy rate, i now most of the pakistani and bangladeshi people are on benefits? aren't you from pakistan...

this is market eonomics, polish people are here to earn money, they have found their own opportuniy, english people have not taken advantage and it is not our fault, we are here to earn, work hard

and gone where exactly,we are the cash cow of europe,anywhere else and the wages go down or the taxes go up. Its easy for those near the bottom to climb up,what do those at the top have to aim for? EU free movement of labour is one sided in that way,people dont leave here to go to struggling countries unless they either have conections or an angle or a desire to do charity work.

Go to Norway and teach English!

No, but there are a number of British nationals who utilise the purchasing power of the pound to go to places such as Spain or France or even further afield to retire in a better style than they could afford here in the UK. There are a number of British nationals buying up property in Poland currently, and they have also started on Croatia. I admit that the immigration has been mostly one sided, however there are still some canny Brits waiting to make a killing on the speculative property market.

and what buying property abroad got to do with the mass exodus from poland to england.? I think it must be quite difficult to see the world clearly with those rose tinted glasses on liza

Foreign property investors are pushing up property values in Poland, and making a killing in the process. At the same time, Polish nationals are being priced out of buying a home by purchasers from abroad.
There are some members of the British public who would like to believe that the Britain/Poland relationship is all one way traffic; however there are plenty of British people who are benefitting from the Poles, and there are Poles suffering, just as there are British people who are being disadvantaged. Like most things in life, there are winners and losers, but the biggest losers are those who just sit on their backsides and moan rather than getting up and doing their best to improve their lives (like the majority of the Poles).


Personally I think you need to clean your glasses Shelley..

I doubt that 99% of any immigrant group anywhere in the world has ever returned to their country of origin. It never happens.
Britain is full of older immigrants with stories of how they miss 'home' and wish they were back there. People love a good moan.

Hmm, think you will find that Polish nationals working overseas are pushing up prices with the money they are investing back in Poland. Foreign investment is only a small proportion - its not that easy to purchase property in Poland for a none national.



Can you give the number of English that are benefiting - I mean the every day commnogarden bloke on the street, I don’t mean those high up in industry - please state your source of information and figures.



Liza, Im not sure how old you are, but the English don’t really have the same work ethic / loyalty to their employers these days because, lets face it, there is no "job for life" and its easier for employers to take on agency staff and pay £5.00 per hour easy come easy go!



My glasses are quite clean thanks and the fact my eyes are wide open helps - maybe you should actually take those blinkers off - it's quite hard not to have a broad view with them on.

I understand that you are totally pro-polish, that’s fine, but you must remember that you are English too - Ive chatted to some lovely people off this forum and I’m not about to start back-stabbing but there is a reason the Polish are being singled out and that is like I have already said before but I will reiterate just in case you missed it - it's because of the sheer volume of people coming over, the fact that our schools can't cope, our hospitals, GP's etc. and that’s a fact! - Im not against the free movement of people in the EU but there has be a change somewhere along the line because Im old enough to remember the Brixton riots and the not so long ago the Oldham riots...tensions cause problems within communities and its happening already and the news papers dont help....

hmmm... thats obviously one way of looking at it

a more accurate view is that poles, desperate to make as much money as they possibly can, are pricing their fellow poles out of the market

this is obviously an uncomfortable fact for people do deal with... its much easier to blame foreigners than to take responibility themselves

try not to quote out of context please puzzler

as far as I am concerned the real estate price are never effecte by only one factor.
- joining EU allowes fo rmore foreign investments in Poland
- competitive Polish real estate market for profit (what else)
- interest in real estate amongs Polish guest workers has increased
- the Polish law ease up "purchasing" communal apartments
- Polish citizens increased interest in investing in real estate

So, there are many factors and arguing about who is responsible is pointelss.
It became competitive in the free market economy. I personally know Polish people who were buying land years ago an now they are cashing in. So it is not news. It just has been kept quiet.

There are plenty of foreign investors in Poland; my Polish language class of 10 was made up of one guy learning it for work (unrelated to property), five guys wanting to pick up girls (they find English women unappealing) and four guys who are part of a larger group investing in property.


It is well known that the British favour the Polish plumber or builder because they have an expectation (which in the majority is met) of quality work at a reasonable price - that is a benefit.
A reliable and motivated workforce is available for industries, including those in more rural areas that struggled to retain British workers who preferred to either collect benefits or move to larger centres seeking other opportunities. This ensures they can keep operating their businesses. As well as income tax, there are also company taxes to be paid, and goods can be obtained at a reasonable cost.


Lets face it Shelley, given that English workers have developed a reputation for laziness and skivving, is it any surprise that English employers seek an honest and hardworking staff member? As for working for £5.00, not all immigrants work for that (the average Polish hourly rate is £8.30). I personally wouldn't get out of bed for that, but I also recognise that due to my skills, I can obtain a higher wage. Possibly if you don't wish to work for £5.00 per hour, you could reconsider retraining or expanding your skill set? Age is not a barrier unless you let it be an excuse for laziness.


Actually, I'm not English.


As I've stated many times before, the Polish are being singled out unfairly. How about these for some figures?
Somalia - 81% not working; 39% claiming income support; 80% in social housing
Turkey - 59% not working; 21% claiming income support; 49% in social housing
Bangladesh - 56% not working; 11% claiming income support; 41% in social housing
Pakistan - 55% not working; 11% claiming income support; 15% in social housing
Iran - 48% not working; 10% claiming income support; 33% in social housing
Cyprus - 32% not working; 9% claiming income support; 16% in social housing
Jamaica - 31% not working; 6% claiming income support; 35% in social housing
China - 31% not working; 2% claiming income support; 9% in social housing
Portugal - 30% not working; 7% claiming income support; 40% in social housing
India - 29% not working; 3% claiming income support; 8% in social housing
Zimbabwe - 15% not working; 3% claiming income support; 20% in social housing
France - 15% not working; 1% claiming income support; 5% in social housing
Australia - 11% not working; 1% claiming income support; 5% in social housing
Canada - 15% not working; 2% claiming income support; 8% in social housing
Poland - 15% not working; 1% claiming income support; 8% in social housing
If you returned or simply ceased to support the top five drains on British society, the resulting cashflow could be more fairly distributed, whether that was for education, healthcare, social housing or just help the poor and old. I'm not necessarily saying that would solve everything, but it does show that the biggest drains on British government funds are not the Polish.

Errr, I find it 'too optimistic'.

£8.30 average? you are having a laugh, seriously...

If that's average, should this spur me on to learn more Polish?

There's an element of truth to this... if you look at the building trade. In this area and probably a rather large radius, the average starting hourly rate for a general all round builder/chippy would be about £10 ph. We couldn't employ anyone for less than that.

But... this is still a low wage comparatively, as their english counterparts are on £18+ ph.

I work in construction so I know these figures are correct, for this area anyway.

The English need to deal with these facts and stop blaming Joe Pole!

Besides it would be great to see the figures for the locals. Many a work shy Brit about town. That's for sure!

The kind of troll that comes to this forum to complain about Joe Pole also complains about all of the above too.
Some people just recognise that there are problems with people who don't work when they are able to.


They were not mentioned? That would have made the figures more interesting.

Sorry apologies they were mentioned -
UK- 22% not working; 4% claiming income support; 17% in social housing

these figures are worthless until the percentages are related to another figure... as you no doubt well know...

and could you cite your source

A very fair point Bubba. But just to make things more levelled I think that we ought to mention that:

- polish politicians nor polish people didn't force the EU officials to accept Poland to the European Union

- polish politicins nor polish people didn't force british politicians to open Britains market for EE workers

- and last but not least, polish politicians nor polish people don't force British employers to hire them. Of course by them I mean polish workers and not polish politicians. :)

Basically British employers, desperate to make as much money as they possibly can, choose to hire a pole over their fellow brit, despite those British workers mortgage and obviously starving children, that we keep hearing about on this forum.

This is obviously an uncomfortable fact for people do deal with... its much easier to blame foreigners than to take responsibility themselves.

cant speak for others but i am as happy to pay my polish builder in the uk less [and for a better job] than i would pay a local brit as i am to buy polish property for substantially less than i would pay here in the uk

and equally, i am just as happy to tell a brit who feels he is having his livelyhood taken from him by a pole that hes a twat and should have stayed at school a little longer as i am to tell somebody who thinks that the inflated property prices in poland are due to overseas investors that they are talking out of their arse

Rank Country of birth Average hourly pay
1 USA £17.10
2 Canada £15.60
3 Australia £15.20
4 South Africa £13.50
5 Uganda £13.40
6 Republic of Ireland £13.10
7 Kenya £12.50
8 France £12.30
9 Italy £11.90
10 Cyprus £11.70
11 Jamaica £11.60
12 India £11.50
13= UK £11.10
13= Zimbabwe £11.10
15 Nigeria £10.80
16 Sri Lanka £10.50
17 Pakistan £10.20
18 China £10.10
19= Ghana £9.40
19= Iran £9.40
21 Bangladesh £9.30
22 Philippines £9.10
23 Turkey £8.90
24 Portugal £8.70
25 Somalia £8.50
26 Poland £8.30

it says "average" not "most people".there are a lot of doctors,engineers,managers,it specialists and other skilled people from poland in the uk.the better u speak english the more likely u are to find a good job.i have a ****** manual job and get 10£/hour which isn't bad provided that i started with 5.50 3 years ago and i'm not going to stop there.


give it another 5 years we will be up there in the top 5.at the moment too many highly skilled people can't use their skills because of the language barriers.

maybe bubbawoo or whatever should have a polish person doing his job for a lower rate and see how he complains