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Eurola
  Dec 26, 06, 21:05  #181

Nope, I'm not fitting everybody in the same basket. I am happy to see polish businesses and polish last names in a corporate world. I just wish there were many, many more ambitious Poles - because we CAN.

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josecitomadera [Guest]
Edited by: josecitomadera  Dec 26, 06, 21:41  #182

Quoting: guest3, Post #178
Judging from the last comment, if anybody here needs an education, it is you Jose. I am an enginerer who is in my last year of law school. Please do not talk to me about educated people. An educated person will stand up for his core values and culture. An uneducated one will not.


Refrain from ad hominems. This shows lack of education when one engages in logical fallacies. Remember attack the argument. Also making an appeal to authority is another fallacy.

Quoting: guest3, Post #178
You should read your history over again. You talk about the Russian's treating the Poles


So the Russians loved the Poles so much that they subjugated Poland during WW2 and didn't leave until the other day. Lavrentia Beria didn't have many nice things to say about the Polish people.

I respect and look up to the tenacious Polish spirit. Despite facing overwhelimng odds Army Krajowa fought valiantly. With all the suffering, mass deportations and exterminations that the Poles suffered at the hand of their oppressors, you'd think that tolerance and allowance for other races would be the most important lessons learned. The Poles and the Black American slaves share many things in common.

To espouse this nonsensical nationalist diatribe does a tremendous disservice to all the Poles who fought for freedom, equality and compassion during WW2.

How about being proactive instead of exclusionary? Show others the wonders of the Polish culture and they will become endeared to it and incorporate components of it in their own daily life. That's better than the racist garbage of maintaining euro bloodlines as if that meant anything at all. Superman is a black man. He likes Polish ways. So endear him to the Polish ways by making him an honorary Pole. See enveloping others is preferable to excluding others and making them feel like outsiders unworthy of your grandiose ways.

I met this Turkish guy who loved puertorican women and puertorican customs. I told him he was already puertorican and he taught me many things about Puertorico that I didn't know. You should have seen how happy he got hearing that from me. His face lighted up and felt like one of us.

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josecitomadera [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 21:49  #183

All things pass. All nations pass. Cultures and ethnic groups all eventually disappear. The only constant is change no matter how much we want things to remain the same.

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matek1 [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 22:20  #184

Quoting: josecitomadera, Post #183
How about being proactive instead of exclusionary? Show others the wonders of the Polish culture and they will become endeared to it and incorporate components of it in their own daily life. That's better than the racist garbage of maintaining euro bloodlines as if that meant anything at all.


You have no place to speak about euro blood lines because you're a mestizo race. With lower IQ's then you're average european. This is shown in places were mestizos dominate countrys such as ecuador , mexico and brazil to a lesser extent. If we were all mixed we would fall into a state of decline just like the mixed people of the past.


Since when is maintaining your racial bloodlines racist? You are a complete idiot. Your a mixed breed of aztec indian and a small fraction of latin euro.

Quoting: josecitomadera, Post #184
ll things pass. All nations pass. Cultures and ethnic groups all eventually disappear. The only constant is change no matter how much we want things to remain the same.


No only the weak pass and fade away. Do some reaserch and find out who has died away in the past. The only reason things have changed is because of mass immigrations and media trends with one goal in mind. Other wise you would all still be sitting in the slums that you have made for yourself. I look at countries like yours and laugh how you all want into western society because you don't have the brains to do what europeans have done.

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mexican [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 22:27  #185

Quoting: matek1, Post #185
With lower IQ's then you're average european.


I'm mestizo and graduated from college with honors with a master's degree. The idea that mestizos have lower IQ's is not true.

Quoting: matek1, Post #185
You are a complete idiot. Your a mixed breed of aztec indian and a small fraction of latin euro.


Puerto Ricans are not Aztec. The Aztecs were one tribe of many that existed in Mexico, not Puerto Rico.

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YANTA [Guest]
Edited by: YANTA  Dec 26, 06, 22:36  #186

Quoting: mexican, Post #186
Puerto Ricans are not Aztec. The Aztecs were one tribe of many that existed in Mexico, not Puerto Rico.



Many moved around. To say this is FALSE. I have met many riccans with aztec features and even so admitted to aboriginal blood lines. So to an extent he is right!

Asian: 104
White: 102
Mestizo: 92
US-resident Black: 85
African Black: 70

Thats a basic survey done. Further reaserch shows germans have a average of 107 and european jews 112!

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YANTA [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 22:38  #187

Quoting: matek1, Post #185
ou have no place to speak about euro blood lines because you're a mestizo race. With lower IQ's then you're average european. This is shown in places were mestizos dominate countrys such as ecuador , mexico and brazil to a lesser extent. If we were all mixed we would fall into a state of decline just like the mixed people of the past.



Many europeans live in brazil and even mexico but are still the minority in these countries. Mestizos do dominate these lands. South brazil has alote of germans ,etc.

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mexican [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 22:44  #188

How can so many Europeans think all Native American Indian people of Latin America are Aztecs? The Aztecs were only one tribe among many different Indian tribes. The Indians of Puerto Rico were/are entirely different. The Puerto Ricans you saw were probably Taino Indians.

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matek1 [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 22:46  #189

Quoting: YANTA, Post #188
Many europeans live in brazil and even mexico but are still the minority in these countries. Mestizos do dominate these lands. South brazil has alote of germans ,etc



I know that. I was commenting on how the countrys with the numbers of mestizos are in decline. That is why they all want to come to western countrys.
National and ethnic origins

Within the Hispanic American minority, there are people of different national and ethnic origins. Physical appearances vary widely and often show the blending of European, American Indian, and African features that has occurred over many generations. Most Mexican Americans are mestizos--that is, they are of white and American Indian ancestry. Their white ancestors were mostly Spaniards who colonized what are now Mexico and the American Southwest. Their Indian ancestors were living in these regions when the Spaniards arrived. Many Puerto Ricans are of mixed Spanish and African descent, with their African ancestors having been brought over by the Spaniards to work as slaves. Other Puerto Ricans have some American Indian ancestry as well. Most Cuban Americans are of Spanish descent, though some blacks and mulattoes (people of mixed European and African ancestry) also emigrated from Cuba.

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mexican [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 22:57  #190

Quoting: matek1, Post #190
Their white ancestors were mostly Spaniards who colonized what are now Mexico and the American Southwest. Their Indian ancestors were living in these regions when the Spaniards arrived.


This is partly true. Italians, Arabs, Jews and other races went to Mexico with the Spaniards. DNA testing has revealed that Mexicans are mostly Western European on their male line, not Spanish. The only reason they all have Spanish last names is because the Catholic priests gave the Indians Spanish last names when they were baptized into the Catholic church (often by force). And many people changed their last names when they moved to Mexico because there was so much prejudice against people who were not Spaniard. Many Irish fled America and moved to Mexico and took on Spanish names because they were treated so much better there.

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mexican [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 23:05  #191

Some Mexican Indian tribes are Nahua, Maya, Otomi, Huichol, Zapotecs, Tarahumara, Raramuri, Yaqui, Seri, Pimas, and so many others. We are not all ancient Aztecs. And each country in Latin America has different tribes.

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mexican [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 23:44  #192

In the 1800's, Eastern and Western European men went to Mexico in large numbers for the purpose of marrying Mexican women. I guess they couldn't find women from their own races that would marry them and they heard Mexican women made good wives. And in Mexico it's the custom for children to take on their mother's last name. That's another reason people have the Spanish last names (which priests had given them) and not their fathers' European names.

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guest3 [Guest]
  Dec 26, 06, 23:49  #193

Josecitomadero:

Quoting: josecitomadera, Post #183
Refrain from ad hominems. This shows lack of education when one engages in logical fallacies. Remember attack the argument. Also making an appeal to authority is another fallacy.


I am not even sure you understand what you wrote there. Is that even english? You incorrectly cited Himmler to show that the Russians treated the Polish like dogs. I pointed out your mistake!!! I attacked the logic of the argument. Then I attacked you becuase of the tremendous stupidity of the mistake.

Making an appeal to authority is how the entire common law system of North America and Great Britain works. How is that a fallacy? Any better suggestions?

Quoting: josecitomadera, Post #183
So the Russians loved the Poles so much that they subjugated Poland during WW2 and didn't leave until the other day.


Do not infer what I did not say. I never said the Russians loved the Poles. I was simply saying you cited the wrong authority and made an illogical argument. It appears, you thought Himmler was Russian!!!

Quoting: josecitomadera, Post #183
How about being proactive instead of exclusionary? Show others the wonders of the Polish culture and they will become endeared to it and incorporate components of it in their own daily life.


Yeah ok boss... How about we let all those womenless indian men and sexist muslims pour into Peurto Rico. Then they can create a disparity in your gender ratio! When there are two men for every women on your small island you might start to understand my point.

You can teach all those guys your culture and how to respect women. Cause that has worked so well in Sweden and England. The muslims in these places have really become so endeared. So endeared that 90 % of them are unemployed in Sweden (that is the actual statistic). Your Turkish friend was likely a very moderate muslim, don't be so naive, you can't change some people.

In 10 years Malmo, (fourth largest city) Sweden will be the first Swedish city to be predominantly muslim.

Sorry, you need to be exclusionary if you want to preserve your way of life and culture. You are living in a fairy tale world man.

Quoting: josecitomadera, Post #183
Superman is a black man. He likes Polish ways. So endear him to the Polish ways by making him an honorary Pole.


I have no problem with Superman, he is not aborting female fetuses and protracting any sexist ideals. I respect him. Come over to Poland Superman.

You are missing the point Jose. This is a matter of equity. For example, the disparity in gender ratio is greatest in China and India. Should we let these extra males come to Poland? Even if we teach them to be tolerant towards women, it will still have a disparate effect on the gener ratio in Poland? Polish men may not have enough women to marry. Why should Poland suffer for other culture's mistakes and unnatural acts? This is a simple case of equity. Explain to me why it is wrong to keep such people out?

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Dora
  Dec 27, 06, 00:02  #194

Quoting: YANTA, Post #187

Asian: 104
White: 102
Mestizo: 92
US-resident Black: 85
African Black: 70

Thats a basic survey done. Further reaserch shows germans have a average of 107 and european jews 112!


Yanta, could you please expound upon this for me? What exactly does this survey mean? Thanks very much.

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Dora
Edited by: Dora  Dec 27, 06, 00:08  #195

Josecitomadera, why the interest in going to Poland? Poland is totally different from your life in NYC !!

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Pavel [Guest]
Edited by: Pavel  Dec 27, 06, 00:12  #196

Mia I think it is and Lil Kim I'd do in about 10 seconds. And then wait another hour and maybe it would be 15. UHHH. God those two are sexy.

Most people say I look Polish over Italian and I get LOADS of black chicks liking me. (Just haven't screwed any of em yet ) They do tend to have big boobs though. Yummy.


*Looking at the list now this is exactly why I don't use smileys.


*edit

WOOW, there was a SEVENTH page...

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Lonestranger [Guest]
  Dec 27, 06, 02:39  #197

I read all the desperate posts... desperately trying to bring the world to the 'stone age' ... if someone prints the entire tread, and read from top to bottom.... they will know about the narrow mindedness of you 'few' polish people.

Regarded some 'skinheads' thoughts over pakistan and india, then please review your thoughts. In pakistan it is no law and never practiced to kill their own wife. It obviously does happen there, but it happens everywhere in europe and also in poland at the same rate. Just some ignorant people avoid accept it.

Yes...the world will always be interesting. Different shades will be there always... and I dont need to explain this to someone who dont even know the meaning of diversity and beauty. Well...you dont even know the meaning of Christmas!... I read in this tread a posting about 'Christmas dinner' where the author disscussed racist point of view with the proud family. Forgetting that Jesus was basically a dark colored Arab Carpenter!

Poland!!! has 99+% white population...gosh i myself saw only two non-white people in poland myself~... how can u ppl be so troubled by non-white people.

Have some sence.... and if you cant....u will just miss the wave of unity that is touching the world.

* Before making such comments about india...be-aware that they once embraced a big polish community at out 'very' difficult times.
* Before making bad comments about the arabs...be-aware that Jesus was Arab
* Before trying to say that by thinking interracial, poles are following the west.....then please remember that poles will follow west only if they ever act anti-interracial (which we poles will never do). Poles have their own identity, which is far more important than Europe. We have suffered all atrocities from Europe, and have received all our best possesions from the east...e.g. Jesus....

I dont have such a miserable life as to debate with a bunch of people harbouring Anti-Polish sentiments....who hate the Polish Heart....and its nature.

For all others (the vast majority)... Poland has never been defeated ... as we never gave up. We are simple people... and we live in peace.

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Lonestranger [Guest]
  Dec 27, 06, 02:44  #198

Mr. Pavel is ridiculous. Belongs to a community of sick minded people (found everywhere, including poland), who should be kept in detention camps, and thrown in the garbage for good. No country deserve such people.

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Arien
  Dec 27, 06, 03:06  #199

Quoting: Lonestranger, Post #198
It obviously does happen there, but it happens everywhere in europe and also in poland at the same rate. Just some ignorant people avoid accept it.


I urge you to visit that country, go to these shelter homes and see for yourself, you could also search on the net if you're interested. my point, local authorities - not every region - accept it happens.

and to me, that's something else than saying it happens. yes, it happens here too. but it isn't something you can pay off with money over here. or do without consequences.

so don't call my vieuws skinhead vieuws, thank you. I believe in tolerance, aslong as the culture in question is willing to ban out their STONE AGE ideas.

not accepting women rights abuse isn't being a skinhead. it's called standing up for what you believe to be are the right ideas.

I hope you do get that indifference straight.

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Maati
  Dec 27, 06, 03:43  #200

Quoting: Eurola, Post #180
Maati, the words are not yours, but mine. You responded to my general post, agreed with the post and now you claim the above are your words. That's called plagiarism.


Why you all are so serious.
Of course these words are yours.
I just quoted them as I quoted my whole post.Besides, it was too late...

Matek/Yanta (I think you are the same person).
I think conservative ppl have more issues with themselves i.e. president and prime minister of Poland and many others.

I am not only liberal but also a feminist. And telling you here that I am attractive it's just a pure fact statement.

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Maati
  Dec 27, 06, 03:50  #201

Quoting: Dora, Post #181
Hmmm... I know several Poles who are successful here in the US & not working at "menial jobs". One I know owns his own printing shop, another owns her own "spa". They make ALOT of money... doesn't sound too menial to me.

Ambitions are an individual thing. How you are raised, what your parents teach you and what YOU feel in your heart YOU wish to do. Only YOU as a person can know your ambitions. And do whatever it takes to make it happen for you. Those are what the obstacles are.


Living in the US for almost 2 yrs. I really met a few succesful Polish ppl there.
Once I visit a Polish district in Dorchester , MA and it was the culture shock, since in PL I live in Warsaw, and in the US I was in Cambridge,MA. I mean, I didn't see such a backward place in a long time...

And I go to London quite often, where I meet Polish young and well-educated ppl.
Many of them have Polish university degrees but are working there in hotels, cleaning services, as waiters, waitresses etc. It's good to do such a job at the beginning, but having the same low-paid job for 3 yrs. with good English and a degree seems strange to me.

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Maati
  Dec 27, 06, 03:58  #202

Quoting: matek1, Post #179
MAATI , why you feel the need to prove to us all you have sex is beyond me


Aw, ****, I didn't know you all are so serious and do not have a sense of humour.
Typical for conservatives...

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Arien
  Dec 27, 06, 04:08  #203

Quoting: Maati, Post #202
It's good to do such a job at the beginning, but having the same low-paid job for 3 yrs. with good English and a degree seems strange to me.


which is why I bash on these employers. it's not an anti polish sentiment, it's because your people get exploited, and the not so fortunate and not so highly educated people here are being made jobless.

which is unfair, because us ''low-lifes'' also pay tax to brussel, - and I can tell you that individually, a dutch person pays the most individual tax in europe, you can check these figures as I'm not making this up! - so we also pay tax for poland, so we are showing solidarity, which means it's time europe must come up with a solution? maybe poland must accept more foreign investments aswell?

but I'm rambling on and going totally off-topic. przepraszam.

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matek1 [Guest]
  Dec 27, 06, 04:14  #204

Quoting: Maati, Post #201
Matek/Yanta (I think you are the same person).



Is that so? I think the mods of this forum could tell you if we are the same person. Perhaps you should consider asking them rather then pointing out useless babble like you already do in these posts. Also if thats you in your profile pic then you are far from what you describe youself as.

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Maati
  Dec 27, 06, 04:48  #205

Yeah, Matek, that's MY profile pic that I chose from the profile avatars...
Did you hear about Kate Moss , a British supermodel and Alek Wek, an African supermodel?Just in case, you will mistake them with me looking at my profile pics...

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Dora
  Dec 27, 06, 06:36  #206

Quoting: Lonestranger, Post #198
* Before making bad comments about the arabs...be-aware that Jesus was Arab


Hello there, please get your Christian-based facts straight... READ THE BIBLE. Jesus was a Jew.

Who are you talking about Hating the Polish Heart? I see a lot of hate coming from your very own post. Hmmmm... are you wishing to open Poland to ALL THE WORLD, perhaps? With your so-called "love of diversity" You don't know what you're asking for and obviously have not read much on world events, especially border issues & immigration contol.

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Dora
  Dec 27, 06, 06:37  #207

Quoting: Maati, Post #203
Aw, ****, I didn't know you all are so serious and do not have a sense of humour.
Typical for conservatives...



Hey.... I'm a conversative and I laughed when I read that!! Don't lump us all together, now...

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josecitomadera [Guest]
  Dec 27, 06, 07:30  #208

Quoting: matek1, Post #185
You have no place to speak about euro blood lines because you're a mestizo race. With lower IQ's then you're average european. This is shown in places were mestizos dominate countrys such as ecuador , mexico and brazil to a lesser extent. If we were all mixed we would fall into a state of decline just like the mixed people of the past.


That's pure racism at its worst. No reputable university would agree with your nazi views. Are you Polish? If you are how can you espouse views of the nazis that wanted to exterminate you for the same reason. The German Aryans of the Nazi era believed the Poles were inferior. Do you agree with them on that? BTW the Aztecs and Mayan cultures had vey advanced cultures with a high proficiency of mathematics and astronomy. India and China graduate the largest number of engineers in the world.

If you are Polish then you are imitating the behavior of those who would have exterminated you given the chance. How can you dishonor your Polish ancestors who fought such hate, racism and death?

IMO, wanting to maintain any bloodline smacks of racism. Its pure evil. Look where it got the Germans during WW2. A madman took their nation to the abyss.

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josecitomadera [Guest]
  Dec 27, 06, 07:34  #209

Quoting: Dora, Post #196
Josecitomadera, why the interest in going to Poland? Poland is totally different from your life in NYC !!

Hahaha, that's what life is about embracing the different.

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josecitomadera [Guest]
  Dec 27, 06, 07:39  #210

Quoting: guest3, Post #224
Do not infer what I did not say. I never said the Russians loved the Poles. I was simply saying you cited the wrong authority and made an illogical argument. It appears, you thought Himmler was Russian!!!


Don't bring in strawman arguments. I never said Himmler was Russian. I don't think I'm so inane. Yes, ad hominem is an English word. Google it and learn something new. I agree with you on not wanting criminals, how does? Why do you continue grasping for straws? The point is the Poles have no place to be racist because they have suffered invasions from every power known to man since the beginning of the Poles as a distinct cultural identity.

The Poles have alot of common with the Jews, the Blacks and all oppressed peoples. That's why I feel endeared to them. These Poles who espouse racist views would have been gassed the same during Hitler's occupation of Poland, so why the racist views.

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