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Giles [Guest]
  Jan 26, 07, 09:47  #31

If America wanted the oil, why are we allies with Israel? We could just turn on Israel and Iran would give us all the oil we want.

Because Israel is a mercenary state, the US uses it as its permanent base in the middle east. Its much cheaper to extract oil from countries that have been bombed to pieces and are desperate then the oil is much cheaper. Secondly Iran is an ideological enemy of the US without enemies, we don't need armies or weapons. Without war the economy grinds to a halt.

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FISZ
  Jan 26, 07, 09:52  #32

Quoting: Giles, Post #31
If America wanted the oil, why are we allies with Israel? We could just turn on Israel and Iran would give us all the oil we want.

I'm not into politics much and could never get into many debates about it but, would it be wrong of me to say that the USA=ZOG?

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Giles [Guest]
  Jan 26, 07, 10:10  #33

Well yes and no. The term ZOG is often bandied about by right-wing conspiracists. Who generally say the US government is control by Jewish interests. However, this is not stricly true since US government id a WASP establishment. The Jewish elites work hand in hand with the WASP's. The term ZOG would be correct especially from a Palestinian perspective since the state of Israel is a modernday occupation of Palestine. I'm neither for nor against Israel. I understand their strategic importance to US hedgemony and understand the concept of a Jewish homeland . However, I also feel for the poor Palestinians who are treated like Jews in Hitlers Nazi germany. The irony is so thick nobody can ignore it, sadly noone can ever change the state of affairs withoutthe complete elimination of oneside or the other. How depressing.

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Grzegorz_
  Jan 26, 07, 19:27  #34

Quoting: Giles, Post #1
American producer of army helicopters has bought the biggest Polish aviation maker PZL Mielec. Sikorski Aircraft, part of United Technologies Corporation, will pay PLN 250m for all the Mielec shares and investments there. They will be producing the legendary Black Hawk army helicopter down there.


So here we go once again, why did you post that ?

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Patrycja19
  Jan 26, 07, 22:35  #35

Quoting: semper_malus, Post #23
US global problems are not polish concern.



Your right, about not being a Polish concern, but sooner or later someone is going
to want to build another one, so why not the superpower?

to me, I think I would rather have the superpower do it rather then countries
which dont have the man power/backup .

a comment which was made during the WWI Drafts here in my City was, when
one of the recruiters and police asked which country this man would fight for
his reply was "The one that wins"!

Smart Fella.

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Patrycja19
  Jan 26, 07, 23:24  #36

Quoting: Giles, Post #31
Its much cheaper to extract oil from countries that have been bombed to pieces and are desperate then the oil is much cheaper


Yeah, I didnt see them moving to fast to repair the wells out in the gulf after
katrina hit. maybe not so much in a hurry to get them up and running after all.

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ROZ
Edited by: ROZ  Jan 26, 07, 23:37  #37

Quoting: Patrycja19, Post #36
maybe not so much in a hurry to get them up and running after all.


Hit my pocketbook pretty hard.. cost me about an extra 200.00 per month for a couple months...

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Maxxx Payne
  Jan 27, 07, 10:17  #38

Quoting: semper_malus, Post #19
Quoting: Chenzo, Post #18
Not really.The U.S. and the rest of the West gave money and weapons to Osama during the Afghanostan-Russian War.


If you give someone weapon, money and military training it's good to know who this preson is. Osama and Saddam was a USA allies. Withpout US suppert they will be nobody.
If US want to support his own enemies thats US business.

Quoting: Chenzo, Post #18
I don't see "U.S.S.R." on the map on that big mass of land above China, do you?


Good talk but USSR is not the issue here. I was asking:Is giving a weapon of mass destruction to the mass murder is good for freedom and democracy? IS this a part of American dream or american way of life?


Well USSR is also an issue here, you canīt bypass history just like that. Sometimes you have to pick from two evils the lesser one. Same thing was with Hitler and Stalin, Churchill himself was perfectly aware of Stalinīs brutality and even showed some sympathy to the Finnish in Winter War but he saw Stalin still as the lesser evil.
Sometimes you canīt have the perfect solution.

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casper [Guest]
  Jan 29, 07, 13:20  #39

Greg, I posted it because this is an example of the US infiltrating the Polish economic system.

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semper_malus
  Jan 29, 07, 14:09  #40

Quoting: Maxxx Payne, Post #38
Sometimes you canīt have the perfect solution.


Ss giving a weapon of mass destruction to the mass murder is any solution?


And don't talk here about Stalin& Hitler because we haven't World War here.

Quoting: Maxxx Payne, Post #38
but he saw Stalin still as the lesser evil.


))))))))))))))))) Lesser evil )))) I know that Churchil was very smart fellow (did you know his opinion about Katyn?) . Stalin was a leser THREAT for GB not a lesser evil. Churchill once said that for his country he would take the devil himself as an allie. Good/Evil was very, very unimportant.

World war II different world, different problems. Now we are talking about something else. Iraq. USA is a only global superpower. Poland is not.

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ak_nelson
Edited by: ak_nelson  Jan 29, 07, 15:28  #41

Quoting: Maxxx Payne, Post #7
Poland and Czech are wise countries to ally themselves with USA, hope Finland would do the same


Can we trade countries?

Denmark has given all it can, and the only thing we've gotten in return is becoming more of a target to terrorists. The social tensions with the muslim community are getting worse and worse. Then we had those mohammed cartoons published by a self-serving editor, who was trying to prove a point to get his own book mocking islam published. (Funny how that part of the story didn't seem to make the news.) Everyone laughed, but it also made a bad situations worse. I dunno, if the s*** hits the fan in Denmark, I think we will get the white house voicemail.

I can't say I think Finland is missing out on much, but I can't say I know too much about Finnish politics. Although I do think there are some similarities for small, normally polltically insignifigant nations on the world's stage. Mainly, that there can easily be much more to lose than to gain.

I hope very much that things work out well for Poland. The circumstances are very different there. I can see how it could be difficult to turn down this deal. But, I don't think I have a good enough understanding of what's really going on in Poland to have a strong opinion of what it could really mean. Polish people are strong though, seems safer in their hands than many others. (Please don't correct me if I'm wrong on that last bit. Thx. )

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