Polish-Islam Relationship Union

Istahu with your ideas is like with communism, it would be great if everybody were so idealistic like you are.

Unfortunately there are people like you, there are people like Shelley and like me ;)
in every society. So that is why communism is one of the worst systems.

I observe UK with curiousity, how long you will make concessions, benefits for second wifes, mosiques in areas where is no musilms (near olimpic stadium in London) why some people want to build it there ? Most of your society is opened minded (lets say more than religous muslims) ... do you see any progres in assimilation of some people ? or it is worst an worst ...

when I read Polish people who live in USA ... unfortunately they are assimilated :( they have only little symphaty for Poland (some hate country they come form ... lets leave them)

I think this is step in good direction :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_ religious_symbols_in_schools

it is not just about how many people go to church. England like rest of Europe is built on Christian heritage



forcing to change religion comes in different ways. The Dhimmi laws of Islam make life to hard Christians and Jews to sustain their religion. Under Islamic law Christians and Jews are paying more taxes than Muslims and their proof against a Muslim in court is not accepted. Dhimmi-laws were the reason why for example Bulgaria wanted independence from Ottoman empire. I have no doubt that when Muslims gain a majority in Europe they start this BS again. When I visited Amsterdam and talked to the people there, they were not p*ssed against gays,prostitutes or pot smokers, but Muslims.

Not at all.



Just shows how little you know.



Hmmm, not really getting what my point was. But at least women in the West have rights.



So you are you saying that its okay for "British born muslims" to kill their fellow Brits because of what Politicians decide!...hmmm



Im fully aware of how crazy some Amercians are about religion, but I am also aware that the Catholic church also studies and researches the bible and its interpretations.

America does not have a monopoly on religious nutters.

"England - more then 63% of muslims in England support Radical Islam and terror acts.
The number is only rising."

(it is London...)

Maybe you should have attended Church.... You would have known that Jesus and his disciples were the founders of Christianity.



In name of God, which country does that?????? If you think the US, it just shows your ignorance.....



LOL I guess your comparing this to blowing up innocent women and children....



Well of course it was pagaen but you know what I mean, you don't have to be stupid about it..... Probably kind of hard for you.....



randomly???? your to primative to see the differance.... no one shoots bombs randomly...... at $500,000 a bomb you can bet they have a target....

wow that video was disturbing...... This is what I love about Poland..... You would never find a muslim having the balls to say something like that.... he can mumble it underneath his breath.... but that's as loud as it gets...

Must see, Muslim praises America.....

As to the second video, the guy lost me when he started talking about the whale, but before that, as to the first part, he makes sense...

In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity

found this fact on the net, I don't know how accurate it is but I hope it's true...

did I say anything like that?No,you prove my point,you twist facts just as baldly as the islamic nutters,ergo you are just as bad as them with your hatefull little comments.

Lukasz,I agree,The french have got it about right.
Shelley,we all know your just a rascist babes newsflash,your the type of bigot as odious as the muslims bigots period.
lukasz,random % figures are just BS mate
matty, Jesus was a Jew,he didnt found christianity muppet.The founder of the church of Rome,your church,was Constantine....fek,Im not even a catholic and I seem to know its history better than you lot...

well If not being a bigot and a rascist is idealistic,fek me,paint my pink and call me an idealist,better than a fekin coward and hate spreader.

dummy, I know that Jesus was a Jew, doesn't mean that the bible isnt based on all his teachings.... what was that supposed to prove????????



Church of Rome???? once again what the hell are you talking about?????? Are the teachings of Christianity based on the teachings of the pope or Jesus????? Jesus of course.... So stop being ignorant by bringing this up... Not to mention the Apostile Peter is considered the father of the Church..... Maybe not the one in Rome but if you were Catholic you would have known that Christianity started long before Rome adopted it as a religion...

BTW obviously you don't know more, all yours facts are twisted.......

Yes,church of Rome,as in Roman catholic.......flump.....btw,Peter never set foot in Rome,fact.

well,lets see,er,hhhmmmm, Did jesus write anything down? Where were all the doctrines and Dogmas thought up? Yes,thats right ,Rome,not Galalea or Judea.......of course there were "christians" before Constantine saw the light,without them the gladiator shows would have been a couple of hours shorter :)but,your church,the Romish one would have seen them as heretics......
Jesus was a Buddist anyway
(look into where he disapeared to for the 15 odd year gap in the bible.....)

are you not listening....... why is the church of Rome involved in this..... we were talking about founder of Islam, and you correlated it with the Church of Rome... LET ME SAY THIS LOUDLY, CHURCH OF ROME IS NOT THE FOUNDER OF CHRISTIANITY...... WHILE MUHAMMED IS THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM....... NOW IF YOU WANT TO BRING IN SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUE AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS......




lol.... so what, does that mean the new testament is not based on his teachings?????



that's not true, he actually came into the future bought himself a strip bar and managed it for 15 years before going back in time to continue his life's work...

Muhammed was only a messenger like jesus,moses,abraham and david, they all had one message, which is worshiping god and obeying his orders.

100% a lie , muslim to christianity converts are very little

So your saying Muhammed never said to kill all non-believers???? Is the Koran lying then?



Shiekh Ahmed Katani : "In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims ...

I guess everybodies lying, even the Shiekh himself, huh????? that's your responce to everything....


http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2230-Muslims-Converting-to-Christ ianity-by-the-Thousands-in-France.html
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080324/31663.htm

Didn't Jesus say that there will be many false teachers after his death.... someone is lying.... Muhammed or Jesus..... You can't agree with both.... if any muslim can provide me with how Islam reconciles this, I would be happy to listen....

Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25 "Jesus answered them, ‘Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ," and they will mislead many ... Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or "There he is!" do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time.’"

Matthew 7:15‑20 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth bad fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them."

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/mohwar1.html

Well, from what I've gathered, God is unconditional love and doesn't have any negative feelings. Therefore, everyone who preaches violence, hatred and intolerance surely doesn't speak on God's behalf?

Well, right or wrong, I don't know everything, never had absolute certainties and that's all I have to say about it. All I know is, everyone can make the choice to do good or bad things..

So, I stick to what I know, and stick to what I can do to make life atleast a little better for myself and others around me..

Amen to that

Here is the part of the quran , u read and judge

Surat Baqarah
190. And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.

191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
192. But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Theres volumes explaining this so if any1's interested id be glad to pass them on.


Just a note to all ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THROWING SOME VERSUS OF THE QURAN ; WITH JUST THE INTENTION TO SHOW ISLAM AS A HORRIBLE MONSTER AND HOW BLOOD THIRSTY MUSLIMS ARE OR SHOULD BE. ALL THESE CUT AND PASTE VERSUS ARE CLEAR IF U READ THE VERSUSES BEFORE IT AND AFTER IT AND MANY SCHOLARS HAVE PUBLISHED VOLUMES FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU(those who try to trick ppl)

The prophet mohamed peace be upon him and all the other messengers ; never said he was jesus nor an angel, nor did he say im god or worship me.


read the prophet mohameds prophecies and u'll discover the truth
1st link
2nd link
There is alot.


ONE LAST CLEAR MESSAGE TO ALL

WE MUSLIMS CAN NOT CONVERT OR FORCE SOMEONE TO ISLAM AS STATED IN THE QURAN " 256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."

WHAT WE CAN DO IS SHOW THE WAY , AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE , CUZ ITS ONLY YOU WHO WILL DECIDE UR DESTINY IN THE HEREAFTER

I HOPE I HAVENT OFFENDED ANYONE AND I THINK ITS ENOUGH JUST ARGUING AND LET US TRY TO FIND SOME COMMON BASES AND START FROM THERE

It is not problem of Islam. It is not question if it is good or bad. If it is peaceful or not. It is problem of differences between cultures. We are not going to accept (in Poland) social benefits for second wifes, or shiria law, or mariages with teens, stoning people. Small musilm society isn't problem. Big is problem. In my opinion when you will be in majority you will change law. I see you truly belive Allah is right, and when majority of people will think the same religous freedom will be over.

Some european states don't have anny expirience with assimilation of really exotic cultures. Me (Pole) and you know that muslims are not going to assimilate in enormously big % in upcomming 100 years. Some will aclimatisate in enviroment but there will be enourmous difference as long as they will be muslims.

Finaly small musilm society isn't problem. Big musilm society is problem. Polish tatars are the best example musilms, non whites, and accpted. They undestand what is mulitcultural society. They don't even try to tell us that Allah is right, and they have only one wife, and they go to polish courts they use Polish law their dauthers choose their husbands. After 600 years 80 % of them feel Polish.

Yes, he is. And he has a deal with one Lucifer to fry on the open fire for eternity all those who reject this unconditional love.

Lukasz , I appreciate u replying to my message, thats a bright light at last towards some civilized talks.I just wanted to clear somethings


Allah is not a special god of muslims , its just the arabic translation of the world god thats it.
Theres alot behind these rules, most have a rational explanation and others its falls under the ceiling of obeying gods laws
islam welcomes freedom whether freedom when ur a nonmuslim or as a muslim under gods limits
Im a muslim and i will choose my wife, and she has to have the same feeling towards me. Islam forbids forcing women for choosing a specific bride.

Are we talking about reallity or your interpretation of Koran ? As I know there is plenty of interpretations and I am not sure which is main stream.

Ok I want to show you one fact 95% of Polish people say they are Catholic, 70% of Polish people believe in God ... Poland is more complicated issue than some can think and there is strong influence of history ... it was forbiden to be catholic and we have our character ... When atheism would be forbiden I think there would be 70% of atheists in Poland ...

There is one problem with muslims and Polish people, we have our expirience and I don't think it will be possible to have 2 or more wifes. Demonstartions like this in London wouldn't be so peaceful... I am not going to trust muslims form countries where it is impossible to be christaian or atheist. They are strongly connected with their countries and as we know most of them don't feel French or British ... even who were born in this countries. . I don't consider Obama African muslim because he respects american culture and he has American way of thinking.
What is more you have in Coran statements that Islam is going to move on North ... and as I know some people think it is happening now ...
I don't believe in assimilation of religous muslims, as I know most of muslims don't believe in it as well. I am against opening borders for muslims. When I am in muslim country I have to respect you culture, law ... I think that people who don't understand law in european countries should be expelled as soon as possible to countries of their origin. I am not talking about whole groups of people, simple take this all people form demonstration (I posted on this page) and send them to countries they love.

Kosovo is the best example of what is going to happen in some places in Europe. Successfuly Poland is on one of the last places when there is this kind of danger.

So, sucide bombings are not considered transgressing the limits???? Beheadings? Stoning? cutting of hands?



And those quotes above only talk about fighting them when your attacked at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), doesn't explain muslim attacks everywhere else....

Also would like to know where was this muslim outrage when Saddam was slaughtering his own people by the thousands..... All of a sudden when you US invades there is a huge outcry, why?????? Is it because where Christians??????

Muslims are the least accepting of other faiths... In theory you can show me all the quotes from the Koran you want to support the opposite but the truth is that all other religions are repressed in the muslim world...... Converts to Christianity are harassed and even killed. This is either entrenched in middle east culture or Islam..... Why are their no muslims protests against sucide bombings if its so against the Koran or against your culture???? Let's face it majority of muslims in the middle east, and a large part of muslims in Europe sympathize with these criminals.....

turkey is mostly muslim and noone is allowed to marry with more than one wife, noone can marry in age of 12, there's no obligation for women to cover themselves and most of them don't, there's no any obligation for any turkish to be muslim, islam rules are not valid in turkish courts, and turkey is totally secular. so big muslim society is definitely not a problem.

he was saying big muslim societies in Europe were a problem, when they are large they tend to stick together and not want to intergrate into society.... Their is no incentive to, and btw he's right.....

As for Turkey, like you said they're secular, it's a concept the majority of muslim nations don't understand....

Sorry,but your maybe a bit younger than some of us,cant remember,but,look up some facts on the first Gulf war and see just how many Islamic nations were in that Coalition against saddam.
Some one else said that Muslim sociaties dont accept other faiths,well,granted the wahhibies (sp?) in Saudi are of that ilk but,well look into history and see for a fact that while the christians were going around slaughtering each other the Caliphate in Southern spain was pretty much a libereal paradise on earth for Muslims,Christians and Jews.It was only AFTER the Catholics dominated the Iberian peninsula that the jews were expeled and the inquisitions started.

Turks are the most civilized muslim nation.

Secular state is secular state, so it is different story.

Yes because Saddam attacked Kuwait and not becaue Saddam was slaughtering his own people....



Yes the wahhibies are one of those groups but their are many others.....



what are more recent Christian crimes, because if we play this history game, it's the muslims that first invaded Spain..... long before Spain decided to reclaim the terrority under Isabel's and Ferdinands reign.... Point is Christianity outgrew holy wars while Islam has not....