Polish-Islam Relationship Union

I though he married a widow who was possibly older than him and well off:).

That what I was taught in the sociology of religion:)

That too. But that for for the money.
However, he was also a pedofile:

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.


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It seems he married more than once

He had sex with a nine year old..... he married her when she was six !!!!!

The result of a rather quick google search.

A great number of younger muslims agree and almost all interviewed agreed to a certain extent that if not killed they should be punished (recent documentary on).

A religion that as far as I am concerned is based on lies - man made lies - doesn't sit well with me. It insights hatred and oppression. Like people have said Christians are forgiving and because we are Westernised then we are more liberable in these matters, inbred pakistani muslims, however, are not.

In the Jewish religion it’s not look upon favourably to marry out of the faith but there are no murders and very rarely people are cut off financially these days whilst most cultures evolve and move on, Islam goes backwards....less forgiving and more controlling!

You see, thats the problem right there. It's his problem only is it? Stupidest thing I ever heard. Hey everyone, lets start killing our sisters when they do not follow one religion, Islam, throughout their lives. What a beautiful world it would be! No one will punish us, except for God.

i'm sorry guys to give you untrue information.yes she was 6 ;)
maybe he was trying to make peace with her-you know that this religion is a religion of peace...


yep he married many times.apparently to look after wives of fallen soldiers.such a caring man.

How else are we to judge muslims?


So this is the true islam? You don't care about the fate of your fellow human being because she's a woman, while the likes of you will gladly kill for a cartoon or a book?

That shows you don't really give a fvck about the "high idelas" if islam you preach here. As long you and yours are cozy and happy, who the heck cares, eh?

Instead of criticising people's opinion of islam because of what they see, you should focus on the many actions of muslims that paint islam as a bloodthirsty, unforgiving and perverted movement that was designed to keep in line scores of illiterate 7th century nomads. It's 2007 buddy. Wake up.

Well said friend

I didn't mean that killing sister is a good thing - I wanted to show that you are responsible for your self only - you are not responsible for terrorist who blowing a bomb - this is his life and his fate. If you can - you can try to stop him, but the one bears full responsibilty for his own deeds.

The one who killed his sis will be judged by shariat - Iа he lives in Islamic country and by the law of non-islamiv country if he lives, say, in sweden. the system of shariat very complicated to ensure that evertyhing is fair.

Sorry man - I have a lot to do then focus on somebody else's deeds. Have my own to be focused on.
I was thinking exactly like you when I was 24 or 25 or 26.

Tried to get into everything with my own ideas which seemed to be "right".
It's ok, just needs time to evaluate.

Not a good thing, huh?
You know what "not a good thing" is?
Being late for work is not a good thing. Not washing your hands before meals is not a good thing. Having one too many beers is not a good thing. Killing a person is murder.


His fate? Who cares about his life and fate? What about the woman?


I didn't realize you were a joker, or we must have fundamentally different view of what is fair.

wow now Darius, you misquoted me! Your 2nd quote is attributed to me for some reason.

misqoutes are terrible things ;-)

Sorry about that. The dust of the battle must have limited my vision for a minute ;)

Fixed.

Oh, I agree that Muslim attitudes to apostasy and freedom of expression are a big problem. I just wanted to make it clear that not all Muslims believe apostates should be killed. There are a lot of silent moderates. And I believe some of those are silent because of intimidation by the radicals. That's another good reason to vigorously support free speech: to make it easier for moderate Muslims to take the fight to the radical Islamists.

Here is a summary of an NOP poll of British Muslims from last year: NOP Poll of British Muslims. One quote:


And here is coverage of an ICM poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia Law - ICM. A quote:

Dooday, congratulations on your marriage and good luck in your new path of life. From what I understand you are living in Poland? If I were you I would get the f out somewhere else where people are less racist. I would probably consider one of the English speaking countries: Canada, GB, Australia, and USA. Once again, good luck and God Bless - mine or yours, it doesn't matter.

What a horrible discussion this thread turned to. But yeah, you guys are right. Muslims are insane. You never hear about Christians rallying against other religions, telling other they will go to hell, God hates fags, burning down abortion clinics, using religion to justify something horrible etc etc. Its those crazy Muslims!! ALWAYS.

And thank you, Dice. I do live in Canada but I've considered moving to Poland to live with my aging grandmother. I have a super Catholic Polish family but they were extremely supportive and encouraging. Surprising really. Like I said before, I was brought up Catholic but I never cared for it. I was simply interested in Islam but the more I read, the more I found it to be the path I wanted to follow. There is no point in explaining that, however. Seeing some of the comments, I suppose its safe to say that my family's reaction is rare. I should've just gathered that when she went to a Polish deli here and the shop keepers were trash talking her in Polish. Unfortunately she understands some Polish so she was quite hurt.

I don't think I would want to take my sweet wife to a place where our religion and her race are looked down upon. And I certainly don't think I will be posting here. Thanks to all who were positive. Have a lovely day, everyone.

Oh? So Catholicism didn't quite work for you, but yet you were always simply interested in Islam? Good lord, so called converts like you are quite silly actually. Wasn't it Ghandi that said he respects and accepts all major religions, as long as their followers are born into the faith.. In the end, they are all 1 God. What was so wrong with being Catholic?

For darius -

I really am sorry that I hurt your feelings - didn't mean to do that. Didn't mean to start discussion here. Being emotional is not a good thing, just like not washing your hands - you're right. If you don't have control over yourself, (or over your life) - then someone else does. believe me.

And I don't think that killing (men or women) is allowed for anybody - muslims, christians, buddists, zoroastrists etc. For those who converted from Islam to another religion - I heard that in some countries this is dangerous - and I think because of people (again - stupid ignorant people) - but this is fanatism. Why number of fanatics in Islam more then number of fanatics in any other confessions? Maybe because that ones who are born muslims (stupid expression - everybody born as muslims, then comes THe Church and everything people are taught by those who beside them) - more emotional then others? I don't know - I really don't know. What I know is that this system is totally different (as you said), and I believe to God who said - eye for an eye, arm for an arm, wound for wound (same size and place that was cut) and life for life. But if somebody would forgive and doesn't crave for revange - it's better for him. - And I think it's pretty fair. (Although you or some people won't like it).

This forum is not a place for religious discussions - this is just to say a word of support for those who need it or just to bla bla bla - - nothing personal, Filios, but if you can't see the difference nobody can do that for you. If you're ok with that - just leave it, this is not for you.

I know I'm doing something I shouldn't do writing in this forum and talking to people who don't give a sh..t about what they are talking about. But I think this is my last message here, so I will tell my little story in a few words -

I was a musician, playing in the band, touring other countries and enjoying life to the brim (as what I thought).
I was very spiritual from the beginnig, of cause didn't believe in God - believed in Spirit, was interested in shaman practice, in some old mistic technics and smiled to those who believed - explaining them (depending on their education level) why there's no God but A Power in the Universe. For many years day by day I practised some technics that allowed me doing some things that would seem very unusual to say the least to ordinary man. I traveled to Mexico seeking this knowledge, and I thought this is the only thing the human being has as aim in his life - to see Reality and to be closer to Reality, because ordinary people as far from Reality as they could be - they live in their own constructed world. Those who studied psychology knows that - this world is not that we see by our eyes.

Then I married a girl, which was saved by Islam - Islam saved her life, literally.
She was Christian before, but as many Christians who think and seek the truth, she was many years studiing religions and everything that connected to it. She feeled taht something was wrong with Christianity, something was not REAL.

I don't like to talk much about it. I'm a happy man, very happy, and I thank God who eventually directed me on the road. And I'm going to stay on this road, whatever happens. There are so many ways that leads to God - my was very complicated.

I wish to those who are there to hear - don't lose your energy, listen to your heart, be strong and remember that our days are counted. Every day could be the last - keep this thought in mind, it helps a lot - and some day the connection will be made, just don't lose it once you found it.

Was very nice being here, thanks to everybody.

Would imagine its quite an univentful path, quite a boring religion if you take away the suicide bombers and death threats to cartoonists and novelists...and odd honour killing.

you dont hear about christians killing women because they dont cover themselves in towels from head to toe now do you?

She was saved by Islam eh? Literally? Where did she live? Probably in Iraq eh? Saved because she was in constant danger? You see, thats where I see the lies. When someone converts because they need to be "saved." You didn't answer any of my questions, and as far as your post went, you just made yourself look like a hippy that was out getting high every day, and then found a religion that suited you. Good for you.

The best religion in the world is nfjkwdnkf. It's better than ijfweiorh and eldfnhbr. And definitely superior to dnwehjbfj.

Come on, ppl. Jesus Christ Rules! And we all know that. And the best part... he didn't give us a religion. He gave us a revelation... that we are gods. John 10:34. Now that's your position in Christ. If you don't want that position and want to be treated like a slave and not like a son, you might as well follow the religion of kdlcferjklf, I hear they give extra fries with that!

No, but they kill for oil - damned to hell if you don't believe or burned at the cross for being a witch :) Gotta love religion.

yet another believer in some fable


really which religion.


that was long ago. show me in modern times where women are burned to a crisp.
ohh, wait, muslims just kill their women because they dont wear enough towels

Ask Bush and his holy crusaders :)

Christians are just as guilty as other religions.

2 catholic priests who were sentenced to death for their role in the genocide of 1994 in which a million Tutsis and Hutus were killed.

I have nothing against any religions, but soem are or have been too extreme in their practices. A god would never create this.


It's called a burka

bush went to war with iraq, it had nothing to do with religion. he did not declare war on muslims.

as to PL - Muslim union



XVIII - XIX century mosique in Poland (nobody wanted to burn it or kill musilms who wanted to pray there ... )

there is still smal musilm miniority (about 5000 tatars) as to other ntionality muslims it is noticable that last time there is more new musilm imigrants and a lot of Polish people are really afraid ( have you heard about France) ...

Today in Toronto a father was arrested for killing his daughter. In the name of the loving and merciful allah, of course. It was about hijab. She refused to wear it.

A sad case to be sure. She was apparently a rebellious sort, wearing her hijab from home to school, where she would change into "western" dress. Sounds like she had many discussions with her father on the subject, because she reportedly ran away in September. Her brother was supposedly sent to observe her dress at school, and was in court today on obstruction of justice charges.

What would justice for her be in his native country?